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Medical Forum / General / General / March 2004How are germs trained to cause illness and death?
How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that recently. Well, I think you can train germs like you train big animals. Many of you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can run you through your body- and ear implants! Works like a charm, you do exactly what they channel you audible or inaudible, but in your subconscious minds they control you, make you stay in line and you cover up for them and do the dirty works for them. But enough of bald or soon being bald animals, back to those with more fur or hair: you can train a dog, a bird and just about any animals. As germs, bacteria, viruses are animals, the SEGNPMSS can also train them. They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the world under certain codes. For example, if they don't act, e.g. bite, attack, infect, the doctor turns on electricity, heat, cold, or whatever and make them feel bad, or they withhold food. The germs learn that if they don't follow their codes, they are in troubles. The germs are spread all over the world, are in the water, air, food, clothes, furnitures, medicine, sprays, cosmetics, and are the leading tool for SEGMPMSSler to kill the world population. They come away with it as the world, the universities and authorities are completely clueless or they cover it up and call those killings natural deaths. The germs hear their codes even if you don't. It works like a dog whistle. But the germs are on and in you, and they have trained them to give people hundred thousands of different sicknesses from heart attack to cancer, from Alzheimer's to Parkinson's, you name it, it is all in there and it is all organized. The Japanese train and use remote controlled germs to build microchips. Just as they can be used for something positive, they are used by the SEGNPMSS for something negative and mass murder. All people die sooner or later on the results. And all people suffer under them. It is called allergies, and the culprits are not the pollen, and it is not accidental, but deliberately done to make you suffer. They also cause your baldness and white hair. They bite in your hair roots and use the chlorine in the water to bleach you. RB's German grandmother (born around 1880) used to say, just like the people of her generation, that is a lot easier to control a sack with fleas than a girl. That should make you think. The Germans find it easy to control bugs, as they hypnotize and run them with codes, but they have no human intelligence and apparently can't deal with the female race and is not understanding it. :) Anyway, the SEGNPMSS controls just about everything and everyone. The Germans seem to be proud of being the masters over germs. Why? Because they named them after themselves. They have enough influence over the english language to name germs not after them, they could have named then Americs, or Jewrs or something like that to blame the others, but they decided to name that pest after themselves. They are odd, but the truth comes out. Happy germ day. Taking showers helps a bit, but they are so deep in your body that you will not get rid of them. The technique how they exactly kill people with the germs must be revealed and the remote control, the phone line into the human body must be disconnected, if you don't want to die on one of their disgusting and in labs deliberately developed diseases. You might think that if you work for the SEGNPMSS and being a devoted agent for them might help you. Here is the harsh reality: it doesn't. They waste you away just like anybody else on earth. They just say they help you to keep you in line. What really counts in life: spiritual abilities, immortality, youth forever, living healthy in peace and happiness ever after, is kept away from you. The top SEGNPMSSlers have a germ free, radioactivity free, poison free, UV free living environment to obtain all of that, but they don't live in peace. They are living constantly in fear that somebody of them is sneaking up on them, is killing them. They don't work to raise moral and ethics. They kill ethical people and run defamation campaigns agains them, those idiots. For their future lifetimes (yes, in opposition to you agents who have to live in the darkness, most SEGNPMSSlers know that people are born again and that it is a scientific fact) that means that they are being subjected to their own German germ pigstable, the earth and all the diseases, pain and aging, as the rest here. Barbara Schwarz (not SEGNPMSS controlled, but they wish I would be! ) Man, this is priceless! Keep them posts coming! > Man, this is priceless! Keep them posts coming! Yes, and you are darn lucky that I don't charge you a penny for my postings! However, the doctors will charge you to get medicine for the pains and illnesses that the remote controlled germs are causing. Even your funerals will cost more than an arm and a leg. Barbara Schwarz > How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller > Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that > recently. > > Well, I think you can train germs like you train big animals. hmm, I don't Germs (except for fungi and vira) is single cell organisms. In contrast, animals consists of trillions of cells (depending on size of course, an human is estimated to about 10 to 100 trillion cells), and have a somewhat complex brain. The human brain consist of about 100 billion neurons, which is about 10% (not the 10% myth, thats another story) of the total number of cells. The other 90% of the brain's cells have other functions, that is they dont contribute to the neural network. 1 germ cell opposed to perhaps 10 billion brain cells for a small animal. "Training" a germ would certainly NOT be like training a big animal. > Many of > you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > As germs, bacteria, viruses are animals, the SEGNPMSS can also train > them. No, bacterias are not animals, and cannot be trained as such. > They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the > world under certain codes. Cells does not have memory in any ordinary sense. They "learn" by random mutation of their genetic code. > For example, if they don't act, e.g. bite, attack, infect, the doctor > turns on electricity, heat, cold, or whatever and make them feel bad, > or they withhold food. The germs learn that if they don't follow their > codes, they are in troubles. Is not an expert on the subject, but as far as I know, bacterias behavior is limited by eating, reproducing and dumping waste. Some have a limited ability to taste and swim. I dont think they would know how to bite or attack. > The germs are spread all over the world, are in the water, air, food, > clothes, furnitures, medicine, sprays, cosmetics, and are the leading > tool for SEGMPMSSler to kill the world population. They come away with > it as the world, the universities and authorities are completely > clueless or they cover it up and call those killings natural deaths. Just curious, why would the "SEGNPMSS" want to kill the world population? > The germs hear their codes even if you don't. It works like a dog > whistle. But the germs are on and in you, and they have trained them > to give people hundred thousands of different sicknesses from heart > attack to cancer, from Alzheimer's to Parkinson's, you name it, it is > all in there and it is all organized. But cancer, Alzheimers, et.c. are all old diseases. Not anything "SEGNPMSS" can take credit for. > The Japanese train and use remote controlled germs to build > microchips. Just as they can be used for something positive, they are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > also cause your baldness and white hair. They bite in your hair roots > and use the chlorine in the water to bleach you. Where do you get such ideas from? > RB's German grandmother (born around 1880) used to say, just like the > people of her generation, that is a lot easier to control a sack with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > then Americs, or Jewrs or something like that to blame the others, but > they decided to name that pest after themselves. I thought the name came from the latin word "Germen" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=germ > They are odd, but the truth comes out. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > spiritual abilities, immortality, youth forever, living healthy in > peace and happiness ever after, is kept away from you. Living healthy in peace sounds nice. Sorry to say this but the rest sounds like something from the Grimms' Fairy Tales. Got any reference/evidence/information to support such a thing as immortality? > The top SEGNPMSSlers have a germ free, radioactivity free, poison > free, UV free living environment to obtain all of that, but they don't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz (not SEGNPMSS controlled, but they wish I would be! ) Just curious again. How do you know that you are not controlled, and others are? /Bent > > How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller > > Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Germs (except for fungi and vira) is single cell organisms. And all of them have a memory bank. It is not all about the cells only. There is something spiritual also to those nasty little critters. > In contrast, animals consists of trillions of cells (depending on size > of course, an human is estimated to about 10 to 100 trillion cells), and > have a somewhat complex brain. The human brain consist of about 100 > billion neurons, which is about 10% (not the 10% myth, thats another > story) of the total number of cells. The other 90% of the brain's cells > have other functions, that is they dont contribute to the neural network. Animals have not just a brain, but also a mind. You can train the mind. Have you ever seen a flea circus? Those fleas do what the circus director orders them to do. > 1 germ cell opposed to perhaps 10 billion brain cells for a small animal. > > "Training" a germ would certainly NOT be like training a big animal. Training a germ, virus, bacteria is easier than training a bigger animal. > > Many of > > you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No, bacterias are not animals, and cannot be trained as such. Who are you to say that? Are you saying that those Japanese scientists who trained germs to build micro chips are lying? > > They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the > > world under certain codes. > > Cells does not have memory in any ordinary sense. Who cares if they don't have the ordinary sense, but they have one and that is used against people. They "learn" by random > mutation of their genetic code. You actually are acknowledging that they can learn. > > For example, if they don't act, e.g. bite, attack, infect, the doctor > > turns on electricity, heat, cold, or whatever and make them feel bad, > > or they withhold food. The germs learn that if they don't follow their > > codes, they are in troubles. > > Is not an expert on the subject, I figured that out by myself. That was not difficult. > but as far as I know, bacterias > behavior is limited by eating, reproducing and dumping waste. Some have > a limited ability to taste and swim. I dont think they would know how to > bite or attack. And how do you "Einstein" want to know that? There are lots of different germs, and they are deliberately bred to cause certain diseases. You have really no clue what Nazi psychs whip up in their labs. I agree that some of the diseases and deaths are caused by germs that are just eating, reproducing and dumping waste on you and in your organs, veins, blood, brain and whatever, but there are a lot that bite and attack upon hearing their codes as they were trained. Explain to me how a bacteria can eat and not bite? > > The germs are spread all over the world, are in the water, air, food, > > clothes, furnitures, medicine, sprays, cosmetics, and are the leading [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just curious, why would the "SEGNPMSS" want to kill the world population? They are crazy, that is why. Why did the Nazis kill the Jews and other minorities? Why did they want to rule the world? > > The germs hear their codes even if you don't. It works like a dog > > whistle. But the germs are on and in you, and they have trained them [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But cancer, Alzheimers, et.c. are all old diseases. Not anything > "SEGNPMSS" can take credit for. Old diseases? Who says that the SEGNPMSS is new? I bet they are around for a couple of centuries. They were once suspected to be the Bavarian Illuminati, but those were just a front organization. > > The Japanese train and use remote controlled germs to build > > microchips. Just as they can be used for something positive, they are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Where do you get such ideas from? That with the Japanese I heard on the news. Rest is my own observation. Since I have discovered how they work and kill with germs, I am tortured like hell with acrivated and aggressive germs. They bite me. I think the SEGNPMSS wants me to commit suicide. But I will not do them the favor. If they want to get rid of me they have to murder me, and then they will be the first suspected of the murder. > > RB's German grandmother (born around 1880) used to say, just like the > > people of her generation, that is a lot easier to control a sack with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I thought the name came from the latin word "Germen" > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=germ Nothing is untouched by the SEGNPMSS. Germen sounds even more like German than only germ. It is them, alright, but I think that all kinds of other nationals, mainly doctors help them to kill people secretly with germs and call it "natural deaths". > > They are odd, but the truth comes out. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Living healthy in peace sounds nice. Sorry to say this but the rest > sounds like something from the Grimms' Fairy Tales. The Germans hope for minds like yours. That is why they could go on so long with their secret killer activities. > Got any reference/evidence/information to support such a thing as > immortality? The SEGNPMSS does not want you to know. But I remember a village in which there were no germs, UV beams, toxins, radioactivities and people stayed young and healthy. It stopped the clock and sickness. > > The top SEGNPMSSlers have a germ free, radioactivity free, poison > > free, UV free living environment to obtain all of that, but they don't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > /Bent They try to control me, Bent, but they are not very successful. If I would be effectively controlled, I would not blow the whistle on them, I would post stuff like you helping the SEGNPMSS come away. However, I hope I will prove my claims very scientific in the future. Stay tuned. Barbara Schwarz >>>How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller >>>Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > only. There is something spiritual also to those nasty little > critters. In what part of the cell should that "memory bank" be. You can get technical if you want, I not totally ignorant about biology. If you feel something spiritual about such "critters" it is up to you. I don't see it though. >>In contrast, animals consists of trillions of cells (depending on size >>of course, an human is estimated to about 10 to 100 trillion cells), and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > mind. Have you ever seen a flea circus? Those fleas do what the circus > director orders them to do. Yes, and I have seen David Copperfield do amazing things. (Make elephants disappear, et.c.) Like Mr. Copperfield, flea circus directors are stage magicians. To my knowledge, ordering a flea to perform like they appear to do in a flea circus, is a trick. >>1 germ cell opposed to perhaps 10 billion brain cells for a small animal. >> >>"Training" a germ would certainly NOT be like training a big animal. > > Training a germ, virus, bacteria is easier than training a bigger > animal. I just don't think so. Anyway it would not be like training big animals. >>>Many of >>>you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Who are you to say that? Are you saying that those Japanese scientists > who trained germs to build micro chips are lying? I dont know the story. Do you have a link to the story. However I will dare to say that germs alone are not capable of building a whole microchip. They might be used to produce or transform chemicals (even larger molecules), used in the process of building a microchip. >>>They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the >>>world under certain codes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You actually are acknowledging that they can learn. Genetic manipulation is not impossible. Training without direct manipulation would be more or less random, but still a change. Yes I can acknowledge that as "to learn" >>>For example, if they don't act, e.g. bite, attack, infect, the doctor >>>turns on electricity, heat, cold, or whatever and make them feel bad, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I figured that out by myself. That was not difficult. Listen, I am trying to be as accurate as possible, that includes stating when there is something I dont honestly believe is certain. I hope you appreciate that. >>but as far as I know, bacterias >>behavior is limited by eating, reproducing and dumping waste. Some have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bite and attack upon hearing their codes as they were trained. > Explain to me how a bacteria can eat and not bite? There is different way "food" can be absorbed by a bacteria.. Either by passive transport or active transport through the cellmembrane, or by endocytosis (part of the cellmembrane is used to wrap around particles (potential food) outside the cell) Found some links: http://faculty.etsu.edu/currie/biotransport.htm http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/e1/endocyto.asp >>>The germs are spread all over the world, are in the water, air, food, >>>clothes, furnitures, medicine, sprays, cosmetics, and are the leading [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They are crazy, that is why. Why did the Nazis kill the Jews and other > minorities? Why did they want to rule the world? Ok, that would explain it. Wanting to rule a dead population sure is crazy. >>>The germs hear their codes even if you don't. It works like a dog >>>whistle. But the germs are on and in you, and they have trained them [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for a couple of centuries. They were once suspected to be the Bavarian > Illuminati, but those were just a front organization. People live longer now than centuries ago. They are not very good at the killing thing. >>>The Japanese train and use remote controlled germs to build >>>microchips. Just as they can be used for something positive, they are [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > have to murder me, and then they will be the first suspected of the > murder. Doesn't sound like fun. Suicide is definitely not the way to give in, you are right about that. We have a pretty good imune system. I trust it will take care of things for me. >>>RB's German grandmother (born around 1880) used to say, just like the >>>people of her generation, that is a lot easier to control a sack with [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > of other nationals, mainly doctors help them to kill people secretly > with germs and call it "natural deaths". The Latin language is before 600 AD. It says here... http://www.orbilat.com/Latin/Latin.html that : "The language became standardized in grammar and vocabulary." around 100-14 BC. Isn't that before "SEGNPMSS" would have been around (you mentioned centuries). >>>They are odd, but the truth comes out. >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The Germans hope for minds like yours. That is why they could go on so > long with their secret killer activities. Nothing I have ever seen points in the direction of immortality. I need something solid, before I can make myself believe. >>Got any reference/evidence/information to support such a thing as >>immortality? > > The SEGNPMSS does not want you to know. But I remember a village in > which there were no germs, UV beams, toxins, radioactivities and > people stayed young and healthy. It stopped the clock and sickness. You remember a village? Where was that? >>>The top SEGNPMSSlers have a germ free, radioactivity free, poison >>>free, UV free living environment to obtain all of that, but they don't [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz Well, I hope you are wrong, its not personal, I just wouldn't like to have people like "SEGNPMSS" around thats all. /Bent > >>>How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller > >>>Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > In what part of the cell should that "memory bank" be. You can get > technical if you want, I not totally ignorant about biology. I did not claim that you are totally ignorant, but even plants have a spiritual life. I don't think that the memory bank of the germs are in the cells rather around it and as it is spiritual, you don't see it, but nevertheless can manipulate it. > If you feel something spiritual about such "critters" it is up to you. I > don't see it though. Alright. I can feel them when they attack on remote control. The SEGNPMSS probably don't torture you with it, but they do it to me. > >>In contrast, animals consists of trillions of cells (depending on size > >>of course, an human is estimated to about 10 to 100 trillion cells), and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > To my knowledge, ordering a flea to perform like they appear to do in a > flea circus, is a trick. Some certainly are, but training germs is not. I told you, I heard in the news that Japanese are doing it to build microchips. > >>1 germ cell opposed to perhaps 10 billion brain cells for a small animal. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I just don't think so. Anyway it would not be like training big animals. The Germans say it is easier to control a sack of fleas than a girl. > >>>Many of > >>>you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I dont know the story. Do you have a link to the story. I did not come around to do the research. I have some other things to do. But I will do so in a while. > However I will dare to say that germs alone are not capable of building > a whole microchip. It was no long story. I just heard that the Japanese using germs to build microchips, nothing more. I am certain those remote germs can ruin your computer, truck, and other technical equipment. If I would have the money for research, I would prove it. > They might be used to produce or transform chemicals > (even larger molecules), used in the process of building a microchip. Here you are basically saying that you think it is possible. The problem with the remote controlled germs is that they are killing people. They are the cause for all the diseases. That is why I want to prove it. > >>>They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the > >>>world under certain codes. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Genetic manipulation is not impossible. Training without direct > manipulation would be more or less random, but still a change. It is very likely that the germs are bred for particular purposes, e.g. certain kind is bred to give you cancer, the other Alzheimer, the other Parkinson's, etc. > Yes I can acknowledge that as "to learn" Alright. > >>>For example, if they don't act, e.g. bite, attack, infect, the doctor > >>>turns on electricity, heat, cold, or whatever and make them feel bad, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > when there is something I dont honestly believe is certain. I hope you > appreciate that. I do. > >>but as far as I know, bacterias > >>behavior is limited by eating, reproducing and dumping waste. Some have [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > cellmembrane, or by endocytosis (part of the cellmembrane is used to > wrap around particles (potential food) outside the cell) That is correct. I think there are x-kind of bacteria out there. See, I am very critical of the Germans, their psychs. Since I spoke out against them my life is very much changed. For example, I am tortured with germs. I can sit on the same bench with a person, and the other person is just fine. But I feel the stuff crawling up my legs and attacking me, biting me, burning, itching me, stiching me, etc. Apparently via body implants that I got under narcosis by criminal medical folks those little beasts are activated. And don't tell me that it is my imagination. It is not. Where they are not, I am just fine and nothing is torturing me. > Found some links: > http://faculty.etsu.edu/currie/biotransport.htm > http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/e1/endocyto.asp They are interesting and I will read them. > >>>The germs are spread all over the world, are in the water, air, food, > >>>clothes, furnitures, medicine, sprays, cosmetics, and are the leading [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ok, that would explain it. Wanting to rule a dead population sure is crazy. No, not a dead population, but a controlled population. They don't want to give you more than 70 years and the last 20 of them are riddled with pains. They want to play God, by not understanding that God never would do such a thing. What I also want to prove is that people can live forever with the same body and stay young, if they live in protected invironment, away from the germs, the radioactivity, the UV beams, the toxins. What we need to do first is to MAKE our own clean water and not drinking the re-cycled chlorine stuff that makes us old. > >>>The germs hear their codes even if you don't. It works like a dog > >>>whistle. But the germs are on and in you, and they have trained them [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > People live longer now than centuries ago. They are not very good at the > killing thing. Compared with that you can live forever and stay forever young, an information that they withhold from you and all others, who are not selected to sit in their HQ, only 5 years longer lifespan is a bad deal. Moreover, most people are in some kind of pain when they are older. It means that you just have 5 years more pain. Another compliment from the psychs of the SEGNPMSS. > >>>The Japanese train and use remote controlled germs to build > >>>microchips. Just as they can be used for something positive, they are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Doesn't sound like fun. No it is not. But I nevertheless will not shut up. I say what I have to say, and I know one day, hopefully not too long in the future, I will prove it. > Suicide is definitely not the way to give in, > you are right about that. Right. > We have a pretty good imune system. I trust it will take care of things > for me. It helps you just for a certain time. The remote controlled germs will overwhelm it sooner or later. If they would be not remote controlled, you would win. > >>>RB's German grandmother (born around 1880) used to say, just like the > >>>people of her generation, that is a lot easier to control a sack with [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Isn't that before "SEGNPMSS" would have been around (you mentioned > centuries). My guess is that when the SEGNPMSS got in power, everything was re-written. Stuff that they claim that is older than that, often is not. I feel in my gut that they presented us a completely different history of the earth. If you want to ask me for how long they are around? I think they started to organize themselves in the 15th to 16th centuries. If they moved in protected closed environments, those guys would be now several hundred years old, and they would look as young and feel as healthy and strong as they were when they moved in. What's so mean is that they don't allow others to live like that. > >>>They are odd, but the truth comes out. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Nothing I have ever seen points in the direction of immortality. I need > something solid, before I can make myself believe. I understand. They found a German earl in Eastern Germany, who was dead, but was burried in am air sealed chamber. He had oxygen down there. If he would have moved in when he was alive he would have not aged and not died, (if he would have had the proper nutrition.) I remember a village in the USA in which I was as a child and that people did not age. It did not belong to the SEGNPMSS. If I found it again, I let you know the details. > >>Got any reference/evidence/information to support such a thing as > >>immortality? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You remember a village? Where was that? I think it is in the Great Salt Lake. (Yes, and I was ridiculed and verbally by many on the net for stating it.) > >>>The top SEGNPMSSlers have a germ free, radioactivity free, poison > >>>free, UV free living environment to obtain all of that, but they don't [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Well, I hope you are wrong, its not personal, I just wouldn't like to > have people like "SEGNPMSS" around thats all. > /Bent Look at the bright side Bent. They will be busted. People will live peacefully in beautiful villages and stay forever young and healthy. Barbara Schwarz Sorry for the long post I kinda got carried away. >>>>>How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller >>>>>Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the cells rather around it and as it is spiritual, you don't see it, > but nevertheless can manipulate it. I can *imagine* that cells has something spiritual about it, for a second or two. But thats it. Too many questions leading nowhere emerge... When the cell divides, does the "spirit" divide as well. If not, does all cell have a common spirit. If they do, what happens when a cell mutate. Does the spirit divide then. If not, would that imply that the entire poplation shares the same spirit. If the spirit does divide, does it become smaller and smaller until infinitely small. Or does a free spirit step in. If that's it, what happens when there is no more spirits available. et.c... If you can come up with a plausible "system", I'll consider it. >>If you feel something spiritual about such "critters" it is up to you. I >>don't see it though. > > Alright. I can feel them when they attack on remote control. The > SEGNPMSS probably don't torture you with it, but they do it to me. If you feel it, then you feel it. Nothing I say or think will change that fact. What I believe or not believe is equally irrelevant. I certainly believe that you feel attacked. That what you say is the cause and source of it, I can only take as *your* interpretation of it (without judging right or wrong). >>>>In contrast, animals consists of trillions of cells (depending on size >>>>of course, an human is estimated to about 10 to 100 trillion cells), and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Some certainly are, but training germs is not. I told you, I heard in > the news that Japanese are doing it to build microchips. I don't doubt you heard that on the news, though news are not allways repesented accurately, so I don't take it as an indisputable fact. Found someinfo on the subject, see further down. >>>>1 germ cell opposed to perhaps 10 billion brain cells for a small animal. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The Germans say it is easier to control a sack of fleas than a girl. :) heheh, that I dont doubt. But note that the fleas are in a sack, whereas the girl is not. >>>>>Many of >>>>>you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > ruin your computer, truck, and other technical equipment. If I would > have the money for research, I would prove it. Did some some google-search: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/publicfeature/nov03/1103bio.html Not japanese but covering the same subject. It starts very promising... <quote> Biological self-assembly, as this field of research is called, has a compelling appeal. Living creatures produce the most complex molecular structures known to science. <end quote> further down the text... <quote> "One day you'll literally be able to draw a pattern on a surface, expose that surface to a randomly distributed solution of all the proper building blocks, and they will assemble into some preconceived architecture, perhaps a circuit, a catalyst, a diode, or a sensor," says Mirkin. <end quote> "...on a surface" would mean limited to a single layer. Meaning not a complete microchip, which consist of several layers. Another link, slightly different subject. http://www.nature.com/nsu/011122/011122-11.html >>They might be used to produce or transform chemicals >>(even larger molecules), used in the process of building a microchip. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people. They are the cause for all the diseases. That is why I want to > prove it. Building somewhat complex structures; yes, I wouldn't rule that out. The above links where very impressive, especially the combined use of germs and viruses. Remote control; No. Again referring to the links above. The germs/viruses seem to do a mindless job. There is no remote control involved. Cause of diseases; yes. That I think is scientifically well proved. I am not sure how well it is understood in all cases though. >>>>>They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the >>>>>world under certain codes. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > e.g. certain kind is bred to give you cancer, the other Alzheimer, the > other Parkinson's, etc. I have no idea if such germs can be manufactured. But why not. Viruses always seem to be the swiss armyknife of diseases. I dont know how you can say "It is very likely". For that I would require no other plausible explanation. Cancer has been found in ancient bones, so it is not a new designed disease, but rather a natural occuring disease. The increase in cancer-patients *can* posibly be explained as a result of smoking, toxin's in the enviroment, increased background radiation, et.c. However I am not aware of any research concluding this. [snip] ... >>>>but as far as I know, bacterias >>>>behavior is limited by eating, reproducing and dumping waste. Some have [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > that it is my imagination. It is not. Where they are not, I am just > fine and nothing is torturing me. The itching and burning might be germs. What your body would react to is the toxin they produce. But the crawling would not be the germs, they are too small and wouldn't be able to "crawl" fast enough for you to notice. But a crawling sensation I think(not sure) is common, whenever a larger area of skin is affected by something. When I say something, its because I think it might as well be allergy. Ask your friends if they know a dermatologist you can trust. I know it's a kind of doctor, but they do know about stuff like that. Just tell what the symptoms are, and not what you think it is, listen to his/her advise, and then ask your friends what they think of it. The dermatologist might just tell you to use another soap. The worst thing (drug) he/she would want to give you is probably antihistamine. Some older products make you drowsy, and they are a pain in the b*tt according to someone I know, newer products don't have this sideeffect. Ask someone with hayfeber, they would know. I do believe you feel the way you feel, but I don't believe it is possible to manufacture remote controlled germ as you describe them, therefore I believe that what you feel crawling must be something else, perhaps something you can be without, perhaps something you just don't have to worry about. Anyhow, consider (even for short while) that you got that part wrong. Ask around, ask your friends, what do they think. [big snip] well I think you are wrong at some points, but lets leave it at that, you would likely think I was wrong right back. >>>>Got any reference/evidence/information to support such a thing as >>>>immortality? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I think it is in the Great Salt Lake. (Yes, and I was ridiculed and > verbally by many on the net for stating it.) Probably because they dont understand it, well I dont understand it. Although except for stopping the clock, it doesn't sound that far out. The brain would be a immidiate problem though. It can hold a lot of information, but it is not infinite. Futhermore the number of brain-cells decreases throughout the lifetime. If life gets too long this will become a problem. This decline in brain-cells is not caused by germs or toxins, but rather a behavior by design of the brain. Its called "Apoptosis" or programmed cell death. Found a page which describes it very well: http://info.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/plomdevelop/development/august.html <quote> Recent work has shown that during periods of cell genesis and the establishment of synaptic connections, widespread cell death occurs. <end quote> "establishment of synaptic connections" basically means "learning". That is, for every little bit of information you remember, brain-cells would have died as a result of that. In our short life this is no problem at all, since we got around 100 billion to begin with. But wether we like it or not, the brain grows older. The sun gets older, the earth gets older, the trees, cats, dogs, even the moon is drifting away. My point is, Everything around us ages, and so do we. Scientists might eventually figure out things like how to stop the body and brain from ageing. But it doesn't change the fact that ageing seems to be the grand design of the universe, and that is not *ever* going to change. So I wouldn't bet my money on eternal life, but rather take another cup of tea right now. (Ref: moon is drifting) : http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1590/n11_v54/20463893/p1/article.jhtml [snip] ... >>Well, I hope you are wrong, its not personal, I just wouldn't like to >>have people like "SEGNPMSS" around thats all. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz Thats a nice thought Barbara. Time will tell. /Bent > Sorry for the long post I kinda got carried away. No problem. > >>>>>How does the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller > >>>>>Secret Service) train remote controlled germs? Someone asked me that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > second or two. But thats it. Too many questions leading nowhere > emerge... I think we can agree that bacteria, germs, and viruses are living. And I figured out that you can can make those living things do what you want if you train them to do, if you breed them under certain codes and force your will upon them. They are not intelligent. It is much harder to control intelligent life than unintelligent life. If there is a lof of intelligent life. Look at the stupid people. :) >When the cell divides, does the "spirit" divide as well. I don't think so on their own. When a cell divides, any spiritual thing would stick with one part and the other one part of the cell would die. The cell and the spirit is not one and the same thing. The cell would be dead without something spiritual keeping it alive. >If > not, does all cell have a common spirit. It would be better if you would refer to a germ or bacteria or virus and not the cell. You raise an interesting question, however, I believe that germs feel individually, rather than one being being all of them. If you take some germs in one room and do something bad to them, the remaining in the other room don't feel it. >If they do, what happens when a > cell mutate. Does the spirit divide then. If not, would that imply that > the entire poplation shares the same spirit. I think you touched the basic form of all beings, once being, all beings united in one being in love and understanding, as mentioned in the Scientology axioms. But that was a long time ago. >If the spirit does divide, > does it become smaller and smaller until infinitely small. I am a 100 % convinced that no spirit is reducing itself, but that others reducing it and making it smaller. You can make somebody make smaller by stealing his abilities and perverting it, and, I am convinced also by splitting spiritual beings into many small parts, by exploding it, etc. I think German psychs tries all out there is. It could be that those Gazillion germs are one big guy, a spirit who would take a human body rather than being germs, if he would not been splitted as thetan. When you can glue thetans together, you also can split them individually in pieces. > free spirit step in. If that's it, what happens when there is no more > spirits available. et.c... Spirits, souls, thetans will always exist. You can't kill them, but you can disable them. If left alone, with the time, the spitted spiritual beings would probably heal themselves to a bigger thing by attaching them back together. I have not tried that out yet. > If you can come up with a plausible "system", I'll consider it. I think there are different kind of spirits. In Scientology we call it thetans, others call it souls or spirits. I believe that animals are thetans too, but they are on a primitive route. You should know that a thetan can be seen. You can be seen too when you die. They look like a sort of transparent kind of little cloud, white, milky, but you can see them with special UV cameras, and you can capture them, and implant them into something they don't want to be. They can see, hear, feel, etc. I suspect psychs of having captioned, implanted and split thetans, and that those splitted spirits go in the lower life forms as bacteria, germs and viruses. I saw thetans without bodies on camera of the Utah ghost busters. Sure, there are many hoaxes out there, but what I have seen was none. You have to get yourself a UV camera and you go to graveyards, attics, basements of old houses and film at night. Then you will be a believer. They usually don't fly high. Don't step on them, they don't like it, although they will not die when you do. The good news here is that if somebody you love dies, you could follow him or her around and see him dive in a new baby body. That would mean that you never lose anybody you love. The bad news is that mindcontrollers know that and they trick those spirits in taking bodies that they would have not choosen on their own, e.g. they make men to women, the other way around, and also trick thetans that had human bodies in accidently taking an animal body. "Happy" dog life. Woof, woof. Spirits does not divide on their own. That is counter survival, as even germs want to survive. It is being done to them. I don't think that we would have as many germs here if any, if somebody would not split spirits and make them come back as germs to cause pains and harm for mankind. > >>If you feel something spiritual about such "critters" it is up to you. I > >>don't see it though. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and source of it, I can only take as *your* interpretation of it > (without judging right or wrong). Alright, good enough for me. > >>>>In contrast, animals consists of trillions of cells (depending on size > >>>>of course, an human is estimated to about 10 to 100 trillion cells), and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > repesented accurately, so I don't take it as an indisputable fact. > Found someinfo on the subject, see further down. I'll check it out. > >>>>1 germ cell opposed to perhaps 10 billion brain cells for a small animal. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > :) heheh, that I dont doubt. But note that the fleas are in a sack, > whereas the girl is not. Are you sure? That the girl is not in the sack? Just kidding. If I would have money, I buy myself access to a lab and would prove it. (Not the girl in the sack but that germs can be remote controlled.) > >>>>>Many of > >>>>>you posters are animals, just big ones, and look how the SEGNPMSS can [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Not japanese but covering the same subject. > It starts very promising... Yes, interesting indeed. However, if those bacteria or germs or viruses are not remote controlled, how do they know what they have to do? I would not build microchips or anything with germs, as enough will remain on the chip, and with remote controlled germs they can also distruct. Imagine what would happen to the U.S. Army if an American enemy would active the remaining germs on the chips and destroy or bug their computers. The Army and the university researchers should consider that. > Biological self-assembly, as this field of research is called, has a > compelling appeal. Living creatures produce the most complex molecular [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > architecture, perhaps a circuit, a catalyst, a diode, or a sensor," says > Mirkin. Yes, and when ending up in the human body causing you when activated pains, diseases and death. > "...on a surface" would mean limited to a single layer. Meaning not a > complete microchip, which consist of several layers. Actually, attacking the body is much easier than building a microchip. The SEGNPMSS doctors know what part of the body they have to attack, either by laying waste in that part, biting in it, infecting it, disconnecting it, building blocks, you name it. I think it is a piece of cake to kill somebody with remote controlled germs. > Another link, slightly different subject. > http://www.nature.com/nsu/011122/011122-11.html [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The above links where very impressive, especially the combined use of > germs and viruses. I think you are on the right track. I have to finish up some private other matters, but I will do my own research here in near future. > Remote control; No. Again referring to the links above. The > germs/viruses seem to do a mindless job. There is no remote control > involved. Remote controlled is mindless. The germs don't think much. They just hear the code under what they were breed and bite or eat or lay waste or multiply in the human body. For them it is probably a simple matter of survival. If they don't do what they hear, they think they are penalized, e.g. electrocuted, frozen, heated up, made uncomfortable, etc. I think the remote control is the top secret of the German secret service. Just imagine you have a secret weapon that kills people, your enemies, and nobody suspects you. All think it is a natural death and no murder. Typically German, if you ask me. > Cause of diseases; yes. That I think is scientifically well proved. I am > not sure how well it is understood in all cases though. I think the germs can do all kinds of stuff. I think medical doctors and psychs in the labs of the German secret service study the human body not on to help him, but how to get that thing destroyed. But once again, once the cat is out of the bag, they will not come away with it anymore so easily, and life will be a lot healthier, more painfree and happier for all of us. There is terrorism behind diseases. I am a 100 % convinced of that. > >>>>>They have a memory. They are being breed in lab dishes around the > >>>>>world under certain codes. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I have no idea if such germs can be manufactured. But why not. Viruses > always seem to be the swiss armyknife of diseases. Right. You can breed any kind of animal, so you can breed germs, viruses and bacteria. It is however disgusting. But people, doctors and psychs do it. That is also how they developed biological weapons. They play around with it and make little monsters. I think that they can make also out of rather harmless bacteria attackers and potential killers. > I dont know how you can say "It is very likely". For that I would > require no other plausible explanation. I personally know that they do it. I can feel them. Some other people just feel them sometimes. But I agree with you that I need more proof. > Cancer has been found in ancient > bones, so it is not a new designed disease, but rather a natural > occuring disease. Are you sure that those bones were ancient? Who says that the scientists they run don't give us a false explanation of the time? However, I also read that people did not die on cancer in early centuries. In other words, even if some cancer germs existed in early times, they just invaded somehow, but did not remote controlled take people to their deaths. > The increase in cancer-patients *can* posibly be > explained as a result of smoking, toxin's in the enviroment, increased > background radiation, et.c. > However I am not aware of any research concluding this. I am convinced that those poisons help to the cancer deaths, but that the main reason why people die is that the germs were actived by somebody and remote controlled to attack the certain organ till the person is dead. Sometimes they "tease" the people and some recover, but when they are really serious, and when people are targeted (that includes their own agents) they will not survive. > [snip] > ... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > The itching and burning might be germs. What your body would react to is > the toxin they produce. No, they are remote controlled germs. Trust me. I know what is going on. Sometimes in the exact same enviroment, when they harass me with something else, I don't feel a thing as they just happened to have cut off the tape for a short while that runs the little beasts. > But the crawling would not be the germs, they are too small and wouldn't > be able to "crawl" fast enough for you to notice. They are big enough to make me feel them crawl. I can't see them, but boy, they love to visit me. > But a crawling > sensation I think(not sure) is common, whenever a larger area of skin is > affected by something. When I say something, its because I think it > might as well be allergy. Yes, that is what they say, but they don't know or don't want to know that allergy is a remote controlled condition. > Ask your friends if they know a dermatologist you can trust. I know it's > a kind of doctor, but they do know about stuff like that. Just tell what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > according to someone I know, newer products don't have this sideeffect. > Ask someone with hayfeber, they would know. Thanks for all your tips. I visited one of the best hospitals in the USA about that and the doc did not know what it is. My skin looks fine from the outside, but they did not check for germs. I go home and shower, that makes it easier, I wash them off, but not all of them, as they stick to surfacesm as you have read in the article that you found. They give you drugs, and what happens? You feel drunk and the itching, crawling, burning and stiching remains. If you add creams and soaps it makes it often worse as the bacteria are also in those products. Doctors are such idiots and also you can't beat remote controlled germs. They have to cut off the tapes and the codes that they play and I would have no allergy at all. I even have the germs in my heart, and they manipulate my heart beat with it, let it go unregularly. Give me little stokes. I am a huge target of them, and they show it to me 24/7. They are disgusting. One of the mean things is to activate germs that are not on the surface of the skin, in other words, you can't wash them away or brush them away. They bite or stich under the skin, in the nerves, and it goes like lightening pain all through your body. The nerves are connected as you know, and they activate those to bite that cause the post pains. I also are convinced that some of the germs carry dust of glass and cut you inside. You also have to be careful what you tell those doctors. They call the psychs right away and claim you are crazy, despite that you are not. > I do believe you feel the way you feel, but I don't believe it is > possible to manufacture remote controlled germ as you describe them, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Anyhow, consider (even for short while) that you got that part wrong. > Ask around, ask your friends, what do they think. I have been through that for a long time. I trust my own observations, Bent. I know my body better than others. I think that there are a lot of SEGNPMSSlers who just want me dead. They torture me and hope I will kill myself. Of course I will not. If they want me to shut up they have to kill me, and if I suddenly drop dead, guess who did it? That will makes them even more troubles because people will start to think about what I said. However, I don't believe that all case officers hate me. Some are glad that I spoke out, as they know that I am right and that also they are target of the SEGNPMSS. I think some of them will come forward somewhen in future and will confirm and even provide the proof to my allegations. > [big snip] > well I think you are wrong at some points, but lets leave it at that, > you would likely think I was wrong right back. I can be wrong if I made judgments in a hurry. After all, the SEGNPMSS has ways also to channel in my mind. But I am most of the time absolutely right, if I give matters some thoughts, and with the remote controlled germs I know that I am a 100 % right. > >>>>Got any reference/evidence/information to support such a thing as > >>>>immortality? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Probably because they dont understand it, well I dont understand it. > Although except for stopping the clock, it doesn't sound that far out. I think some people are afraid of the truth. Although I never left them without hope for a much better life. I read that certain parts of the body don't age at all. They stay as fresh from the day you were born to the day they kill you with remote controlled germs or run you over with a car. If we know move away from all those things that we know are responsible for aging and diseases, we have physical immortality and youth. It is not a magic pill, rather a completely new way of living. > The brain would be a immidiate problem though. It can hold a lot of > information, but it is not infinite. You discart those information that you don't want to keep. Your brain will be just fine. > Futhermore the number of brain-cells decreases throughout the lifetime. Likely not in a protected and truly healthy environment. Remote controlled germs might chew your brain cells away. > If life gets too long this will become a problem. This decline in > brain-cells is not caused by germs or toxins, but rather a behavior by > design of the brain. Its called "Apoptosis" or programmed cell death. > > Found a page which describes it very well: > http://info.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/plomdevelop/development/august.html Yes, but nothing says that it has nothing to do with germs. Psychs are real idiots and they are also currupt. The cell death is nothing but germ spectacle, bet on it. Tell me, why is something just dying on its own? Makes no sense to me. > Recent work has shown that during periods of cell genesis and the > establishment of synaptic connections, widespread cell death occurs. Yes, died through attacks by germs, I bet my tortured life on it. > "establishment of synaptic connections" basically means "learning". > That is, for every little bit of information you remember, brain-cells > would have died as a result of that. In our short life this is no > problem at all, since we got around 100 billion to begin with. But > wether we like it or not, the brain grows older. Yes, that is why we have to live in environments where nothing grows older. The top mindcontrollers live in protected environments. They would not even touch our hands, being afraid they catch one of their own bred germs they force on us. The sun gets older, the > earth gets older, the trees, cats, dogs, even the moon is drifting away. True, that is what we have to change. We have to leave our protected villages only in protective suits, if we want to stay forever young and healthy. > My point is, Everything around us ages, and so do we. Scientists might > eventually figure out things like how to stop the body and brain from > ageing. But it doesn't change the fact that ageing seems to be the grand > design of the universe, and that is not *ever* going to change. The truth will come out. > So I wouldn't bet my money on eternal life, but rather take another cup > of tea right now. I had my tea an hour ago. I know if I would have truly clean water and non-germy tea leaves (amongst others), I would not die and age. > (Ref: moon is drifting) : > http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1590/n11_v54/20463893/p1/article.jhtml [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > /Bent Time will tell, I agree. Although the SEGNPMSS is at it a long time, centuries, to fool the people. However, I think we are close to the time when truth will have its chance and not lies and misinformation. I don't care if people call me crazy, as long psychs don't come and get me to locke me up and force poison into me. People who claimed different things than the majority were often wrongfully declared nutty or kookie or even insane till to the day when they were vindicated. Have a nice day, Bent. Barbara Schwarz *Sigh*, we could go on forever. I still think you draw some hasty conclusions, without proper evidence or foundation. I'm double-booked with work for the next many weeks, so I have to end it here, but I'll be back. Count on that. For now I only have some comments > It would be better if you would refer to a germ or bacteria or virus > and not the cell. I use the term "Cell" because the term Germ would include viruses, which is not "living", as Zinj also notes. A virus is just a piece of RNA or DNA, and have no life of its own, but needs a cell to invade before it comes to life, or rather, alters the life of the cell. And I would like to correct a statement, which is not quite true : >>Cancer has been found in ancient >>bones, so it is not a new designed disease, but rather a natural >>occuring disease. I believe it is evidence of cancer which is found, not actual cancer cells. I suggest you consider one thing until next time (because I am not done with that yet). I wasn't fully satisfied with one of your answers. Don't answer it now because I will get back to you with it later, this is just to give you time to think about it. Given that a soul/spirit/thetan : - does not divide (that is, for one spirit to be in two bodies) - cannot be destroyed When a human (or anything which would have a soul/spirit/thetan) is born, what happens when there are no more spirits available? > Have a nice day, Bent. > > Barbara Schwarz Same to you /Bent > *Sigh*, we could go on forever. I still think you draw some hasty > conclusions, without proper evidence or foundation. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I use the term "Cell" because the term Germ would include viruses, which > is not "living", as Zinj also notes. Don't take Joe Lynn (Zinji) too seriously, Bent. He talks a lot of nonsense. :) I understand what you mean, but a cell should live without any germs, bacteria or viruses in them. >A virus is just a piece of RNA or > DNA, and have no life of its own, but needs a cell to invade before it > comes to life, or rather, alters the life of the cell. I think you are mistaken to assume that germs can't live on their own. My guess is that they need a kind of nurishment like any other living thing. I also think that they eat their own eggs or themselves if they have too, but they are parasites and invade the cells. That is correct. > And I would like to correct a statement, which is not quite true : > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > answer it now because I will get back to you with it later, this is just > to give you time to think about it. Alright. > Given that a soul/spirit/thetan : > - does not divide (that is, for one spirit to be in two bodies) > - cannot be destroyed > > When a human (or anything which would have a soul/spirit/thetan) is > born, what happens when there are no more spirits available? I think the problem that we are having is that there are not enough bodies for thetans (spirits and souls) to get one. Most thetans see it as a race to get one. They dive too soon in bodies just to have one without considering what consequences that has for their lifetime. I think that an able thetan can multiply himself. I am not a Christian, but there are not many other examples out there but the Jesus story. It is said that Jesus is God. The same spirit that is in heaven was also the one who walked on earth in that body who was later crucified. The grains of truth here is that there is a possibility to multiply as thetan, but without cutting off your own abilities and personality. You don't become smaller, but the spiritual identitiy that you create of your own is like you. That identity also has the same memories and character as the original, but will make her own memories from the moment of the creation. But that is something completely different than doctors taping thetans in labs, blowing them up and up and implanting them to become animals or viruses. I heard today on the news that a child carries around 1 and 1/2 pounds of germs. As an adult has a larger body, I suppose that they got even more. I don't think that we would have that many germs on earth if somebody would not deliberately breed them to have secret killers. Barbara Schwarz >>*Sigh*, we could go on forever. I still think you draw some hasty >>conclusions, without proper evidence or foundation. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Don't take Joe Lynn (Zinji) too seriously, Bent. He talks a lot of > nonsense. :) I take everybody seriously, though I do not allways agree. And I don't think he talks a lot of nonsense. But other people should not take yours or mine word for it, but read and judge for themself. > I understand what you mean, but a cell should live without any germs, > bacteria or viruses in them. No you turn it around. A virus is nothing without a cell. >>A virus is just a piece of RNA or >>DNA, and have no life of its own, but needs a cell to invade before it >>comes to life, or rather, alters the life of the cell. > > I think you are mistaken to assume that germs can't live on their own. I didn't say that. I explained why the term "germ" could not be used instead of "cell". > My guess is that they need a kind of nurishment like any other living > thing. I also think that they eat their own eggs or themselves if they > have too, but they are parasites and invade the cells. That is > correct. Cells; Yes. Virus; No, See : http://www.sd272.k12.id.us/teachers/swoerz/new_page_9.htm <quote> Viruses don’t eat, grow, breathe or perform any of the other biological functions. <end quote> [snip] >>Given that a soul/spirit/thetan : >> - does not divide (that is, for one spirit to be in two bodies) >> - cannot be destroyed >> >>When a human (or anything which would have a soul/spirit/thetan) is >>born, what happens when there are no more spirits available? [snip] later... /Bent > >>*Sigh*, we could go on forever. I still think you draw some hasty > >>conclusions, without proper evidence or foundation. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I take everybody seriously, though I do not allways agree. Alright with me. :) >And I don't > think he talks a lot of nonsense. He does talk nonsense, as far as Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard are concerned. Also as far as I am concerned. Joe Lynn never met me, but boy, did he diagnose me with all kinds of mental illnesses! Truth about me is that I indeed have a conspiracy theory, but that does not make me mentally ill. In the worst case scenario, I would be wrong. But I don't believe I am wrong. But there are some other guys posting here, that are even worse than Joe Lynn. >But other people should not take yours > or mine word for it, but read and judge for themself. Right, I agree with you on that. > > I understand what you mean, but a cell should live without any germs, > > bacteria or viruses in them. > > No you turn it around. A virus is nothing without a cell. Okay, I get now what you mean. Do you mean that the basic component of a virus is a cell? > >>A virus is just a piece of RNA or > >>DNA, and have no life of its own, but needs a cell to invade before it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I didn't say that. I explained why the term "germ" could not be used > instead of "cell". You did that? I thought I did that. > > My guess is that they need a kind of nurishment like any other living > > thing. I also think that they eat their own eggs or themselves if they > > have too, but they are parasites and invade the cells. That is > > correct. > > Cells; Yes. Virus; No, You think that cells are eating other cells and Viruses don't eat each other or their eggs? What made you come to that conclusion? > See : http://www.sd272.k12.id.us/teachers/swoerz/new_page_9.htm > > Viruses don’t eat, grow, breathe or perform any of the other biological > functions. If this is the truth, how do you think viruses stay alive and need to be killed with antibiotica? What it basically says is that viruses can't survive OUTSIDE of a cell, that is correct, but we don't have to slit hairs about that. Important to know is that those little beasts exists and make their way in our systems and killing us. And I believe that there are ways to do that via remote control and body implants to people. The one article that you found about germs building parts of microchips, etc. was really interesting. They wrote that they have lab tricks that make them go. What do you think those tricks are? They did not explain them. I think that germs, bacteria and viruses can be bred bred, raised under certain codes and then distributed on earth. They are lifeforms and learn in a way like other living things. I heard sometimes that germs became smart and that they can't be killed anymore with anti-biotica. If they would not have a certain kind of intelligence, they would not build up something to survive, right? It doesn't matter that a virus can't survive outside of a cell. The bad thing is that they often survive inside a cell and that something is keeping them alive and going on their killer sprees. But I think that not only the viruses kill people. Germs, bacteria do also. I think that many biologists are very mistaken to think that several of the germs are harmless. It is like in nature. You can take a rather friendly dog and train him to become a pitch bull if you tell him the code to attack. Barbara Schwarz What I write should be validated science, independently and extensively researched all over the planet. I don't claim to be all knowing, but what I present is not totally erroneous. If you disagree at some point, you hope you have some information to back that up, and not just a feeling. You do have some misconceptions about germs, and what they are able to do. And you seeing them as instrument of your enemy, it makes you focus on the wrong things. In other words, what you are fighting/fearing is not real. I am well aware of that I can't just convince of that. And even suggesting it, would make you think I am controlled by the enemy to throw you off track. I would suggest you talk to someone who have studied medicine, biology or something, to confirm, clarify or perhaps correct my ramblings. I understand from other posts you have made, that you are very critical towards any "med. folks", so that might pose a problem. If nothing else I hope you enjoy the reading. [snip] >>>I understand what you mean, but a cell should live without any germs, >>>bacteria or viruses in them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Okay, I get now what you mean. Do you mean that the basic component of > a virus is a cell? My bad english I think. What I mean is, a virus would have no meaning, no purpose, if there was no cells in its enviroment. As I wrote in another post : ...a virus is not a living machine. They are at best a fraction of a subcomponent, that is needed to assembly a cell... Think of computer viruses. The code of computer virus is the same as other programs(genetic code). Outside the computer (cell), the virus does nothing. It can not spread or do any harm at all. Once inside a computer, and loaded into the central processing unit, it can take over the computer, copy itself onto the harddrive, try to spread through the internet, or just sit there and wait. See also : http://www.people.ku.edu/~jbrown/virus.html >>>>A virus is just a piece of RNA or >>>>DNA, and have no life of its own, but needs a cell to invade before it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You did that? I thought I did that. Are we talking past eachother? You said : <quote> It would be better if you would refer to a germ or bacteria or virus and not the cell. <end quote> I said : <quote> I use the term "Cell" because the term Germ would include viruses, which is not "living", as Zinj also notes. <end quote> >>>My guess is that they need a kind of nurishment like any other living >>>thing. I also think that they eat their own eggs or themselves if they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You think that cells are eating other cells and Viruses don't eat each > other or their eggs? What made you come to that conclusion? Some cells can eat other cells (our immunesystem has macrophages, which can eat/kill invading bacterias). Viruses cannot eat anything, since it is just a piece of RNA or DNA, which is just a big molecular structure. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA What or how bacterias "eat" is not an easy task to explain. Some nutrients simply drift through channels in the cellwall, others is actively "dragged" into the cell. What those nutrients are differs greatly. In general, the digesting would involve a series of chemical and/or mechanical processes. Cells divide, split into two, make a copy of itself, but dont lay eggs. Some cells (certain bacteria, fungi) produce spores (kinda baby cell) when starved and die, or otherwise in an adverse enviroment. Spores can stay dorment for years, until in a suitable enviroment come to life. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria Regarding my conclusions. I am "one of those guys" who have looked at cells in a microscope. I didn't see a virus though, that would have required a much more powerfull microscope than I had access to. But having some knowledge of the atomic composition/assembly of virus/DNA/RNA, and its function in a cell, I have a rough mental image of the thing. I haven't studied germs professionally, but have had courses in or read about cell physiology, human physiology, chemistry and biophysics. It is a personal interest, to know just a little about what goes on around and inside me. It doesn't make me an expert, but I have a pretty good idea of how it all fits together, and a rough idea about what is and not is possible. >>See : http://www.sd272.k12.id.us/teachers/swoerz/new_page_9.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If this is the truth, how do you think viruses stay alive and need to > be killed with antibiotica? Viruses cannot be killed by antibiotics. (biotic = of or relating to living organisms, virus is not regarded as living) See also: http://www.people.ku.edu/~jbrown/antibiotic.html http://www.prodigy.nhs.uk/clinicalguidance/releasedguidance/webBrowser/pils/PL212.htm > What it basically says is that viruses > can't survive OUTSIDE of a cell, that is correct, but we don't have to > slit hairs about that. It (the webpage) said <quote> Viruses cannot "live" on their own. <end quote> The meaning is (like the computer virus analogy) that it has no function when it is outside a cell. Viruses are very good at "surviving", since they are not alive, they can not as such die. Theoretically they have no expire date. As far as I know, to "kill" a virus you would need to take it apart into smaller pieces. Enzymes, extreeme heat and radiation can do that. Acids or oxidants would probably also do the trick. There may be other ways. Spores are also good survivors, because they don't need to feed in that state (like seeds), but do require some moisture. > Important to know is that those little beasts > exists and make their way in our systems and killing us. And I believe > that there are ways to do that via remote control and body implants to > people. Yes, they do exists, and (some) do cause us trouble. There is also friendly bacterias... <quote from http://www.holistichorizons.com/hh102.htm> Lactobacteria reside in the intestines and are known as "friendly" or "beneficial" bacteria. <end quote> The important thing to understand is, they have allways been around. They started it all, and subesequently where a part of the evolution, and now naturally is a part of us. If you look at a human cell, and compare it to a bacteria, there is a lot of similarities. And that is no coincidence. They have a common ancestor. I'll get back to the remote control thing. > The one article that you found about germs building parts of > microchips, etc. was really interesting. They wrote that they have lab > tricks that make them go. What do you think those tricks are? They did > not explain them. Not sure. They mention that DNA binds to the carbon nanotubes, and separation by using a common laboratory trick. Makes me think of DNA-fingerprinting. Then the trick would be electrophoresis. Works by putting charged particles/molecules in an electric field. The charged particles are then "dragged" in one direction. Direction and speed depends on the charge and size of the particle. Note that they don't "control" the germs. They just pour them on, and then they do *one* specifik thing only, after that they pour the next substance on. Electrophoresis, see : http://www.life.uiuc.edu/molbio/geldigest/electro.html About the electric field : Think of a plate. Pour some sand on it. Tilt the plate. You know have some particles (the sand) in a similar gravitational field (instead of electrical field). The sand move, just like charged particles would do in a electric field. > I think that germs, bacteria and viruses can be bred > bred, raised under certain codes and then distributed on earth. Yes, any germ can be bred. Germs can be altered by genetic manipulation, thus can be designed for different purposes. According to the media, scientists seems be quite good at gene-manipulation or genetic engineering. (I am referring to news of genetically designed/altered food products, cloning, detection of diseases by analysing DNA, ...) And yes they can be distributed. Some easier than others. Viruses and spores are the easiest to distribute. Bacterias is more difficult because they need a suitable enviroment during transport. If kept cold their metabolism (need for food) is kept low. > They > are lifeforms and learn in a way like other living things. I heard > sometimes that germs became smart and that they can't be killed > anymore with anti-biotica. Lifeform; yes. Learn like other living things; I'll answer that in a while... For example (I don't understand all mechanisms involved, but this rough description should be fairly accurate), normally Penicillin disrupts or atleast lowers the bacterias ability to grow (that is, expand its cell wall/membrane). When it can't grow, it can't get big enough to split into two. That way the bacteria won't reproduce/spread so fast (or even kill it), and gives the immune system time to prepare the defense and destroy the bacterias. (http://www.cellsalive.com/pen.htm) When bacterias becomes immune to some antibiotic, then it is by chance rather than it becoming "smart". All cells produce enzymes for different purposes in its internal machinery. When bacterias reproduce, once in a while it mutates. This mutated bacteria might produce a new enzyme, which just happens be able to cut/destroy/disable the penicillin. This new bacteria is now immune to penicillin, and would thrive in an enviroment with penicillin because it would not have to compete with other bacterias. There is other kinds of antibiotics, which works differently. But in general, small mutations *will*, given the time and opportunity, at some point produce an immune or stronger variant of the bacteria. It is ... > If they would not have a certain kind of > intelligence, they would not build up something to survive, right? ... simple evolution. In an enviroment with high competition, any advantage counts. When life is made eaiser for one certain bacteria, that bacteria will prosper. It is not a matter of intelligence. Picture water running down a hill. The route it takes, is not any route at all, but is easiest route down the hill. If you change the terrain, then the water will take a different route, again taking the easiest route down. That doesn't make the water intelligent. The water might erode the terrain, and suddenly take another route, or split into two where the waterflow is proportionate to how easy the route is. That is evolution, *not* intelligence. When you say "Learn like other living things", its a matter of interpretation and some philosophical standpoint. If you mean "put two and two together" then no. If you mean self-correction by "trial and error" then no. If you mean "trial and error"-selection in inheritance then yes. Strecthing the term "mind" a bit, one could say that one bacteria/cell have a *unalterable* "reactive mind". Each time the bacteria split, the new just *might* have an slightly different "reactive mind". But it is a philosophical point of view, which does not translate to the physical world. > It > doesn't matter that a virus can't survive outside of a cell. The bad > thing is that they often survive inside a cell and that something is > keeping them alive and going on their killer sprees. Yes, life sometimes sucks. As I have mentioned earlier we humans have a quite good (realy amazing) immunesystem. Take one bacteria. Bacterias can split into two, every 20 minutes given the right enviroment (plenty of food, ideal temperature, ...) This doesn't sound much, but if you wait 24 hours, one bacteria will become (2*2*2*2..[72 times]) 4.722.366.482.869.645.213.696 individual bacterias. This doesn't happens of course. For several reasons. Enormous competition for food, their waste is toxic to them, unsuitable enviroment (high temperature/ no moisture) and/or the enviroment is a very deadly one (like our body). In the human body, the enviroment is quite ideal for bacterias, good temperature, plenty of food (when you are comfortable, they are too), but fortunately our immunesystem kicks in. When taken by surprise, the immunesystem needs time to identify the attacker, to produce antibodies or activating the macrophages. Once the vicious macrophages is activated, the bacterias don't stand a chance. Sounds too good to be true, and it unfortunately is. Some viruses and bacterias does kill. Maybe in the future scientists will be able to boost our immunesystem. For now eat properly, to keep the machinery running. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrophage http://www.cellsalive.com/mac.htm http://health.howstuffworks.com/immune-system.htm > But I think that not only the viruses kill people. Germs, bacteria do > also. I think that many biologists are very mistaken to think that > several of the germs are harmless. Sure the bacterias and viruses can kill people, or just make people sick. You are right in the sense that, bacterias including the friendly ones would go frenzy, multiplying endlessly, if given the chance. That is what they do, multiply until there is no more food. But you see, some have a specific purpose in a complex system, and in that system they behave properly (that is, their endless multiplying and death-rate is in balance with the rest of the system). Like the digestive system, which wouldn't function properly without the right bacterias. see also: http://www.holistichorizons.com/hh102.htm (links below: beware, these guys are extreeme into health, their description of the human digestive system seems valid, but I did not find any site supporting their somewhat pessimistic view/claims on the general condition of our intestines) http://www.hps-online.com/colon-bacteria.htm http://www.hps-online.com/fastcolebacwin1.htm > It is like in nature. You can take > a rather friendly dog and train him to become a pitch bull if you tell > him the code to attack. I hope I covered the learning thing, so about the remote control:... Viruses is out of the question. They wouldn't be more controlable than cube of sugar. Since its just one big molecular structure. Viruses are not simple. Even though some (and proteins in general) are known to the extent that every single atom is accounted for, their behavior is not fully understood. However their nature and limitations is to great extent known. See: http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/science.html http://anrvitamins.com/glossary/aminoac.html A bacteria is wastly more complex, but in reality its just a bag of chemical compounds, although in which probably millions of complex chemical/mechanical reactions take place. All the reactions inside a cell is not at all known, however all the physics involved *is* known, so surprises like remote control is not gonna happen. See also: http://ntri.tamuk.edu/cell/cell.html You cannot compare a dog to a bacteria. Bacterias have no mechanism to receive a "code" and associate it with a certain action. The influence on bacterias, is mostly limited to what chemicals is present around it (other things can be; heat may speed up chemical reactions (like fever makes immunesystem work faster), radiation may break things (i.e. kill it like in cancer therapy)). Whereas the dog has ears to hear a "code". Vibrations in the air inside the ear stimulates specialized cells to set of a signal through the audiatory nerves, which is fed into the brain, where maybe a billion cells is activated during the interpretation of the message. The same code may be spoken by another person and interpreted in another way. In contrast a specifik "code" (chemical/substance) would have a predefined impact on the bacteria (like penicillin). phew, kinda hard to explain. Life in the bacterial level is a almost purely chemical and a rather deterministic world. Remote control is not a part of that world. Hope it made sense. /Bent I will answer later to that posting, Bent. However, as far as I have read the links that you provided, there is nothing in it saying that it is not possible to remote control germs, bacteria or a virus in a cell. I know it is possible and official science is completely blind hereto. I met a lot of socalled university educated people who were not bright. They just stereotypely repeat what somebody else said, and they don't use their heads to discover new things. Why should I waste my time to ask people about things that I know so much better than they do? Moreover, many socalled educated people just got their graduation papers because their case officer told them through their ear implants what to write in the exams to pass them. That is not really impressive. Don't forget that these people, to which you try to refer me, failed to solve the many problems on earth. They still have not found away to stop againg and to give us eternal youth. It would be so simple to archive with a different way of living. I just can't look up to them, and me thinking for myself gets me much further than listening to these guys. I am not saying that nobody ever came up with something useful or true, but socalled scientific work is SEGNPMSS controlled and they know how to manipulate findings to their advantage. I'll read your posting in full, also the attachment and will be back in this thread in a few days. Bye till then. Barbara Schwarz In order to understand the smallest things, Bent, someone often have to understand the biggest things first. Here is what I have figured out: The Axioms of Scientology are correct. Nobody created us, the thetans, the spirits, the souls, we always existed. Even people that believe only in evolution say that there was someting at the beginning, a energy, that they can't explain. The energy is us, the thetans. We existed in harmony and played in the beginning spiritual games, till some wanted different kinds of games. The physicial universum was postulated and created. I don't believe that many thetans created the universe. I tell you also why: science says that the basic elements of everything in the physical universe is made out of strings, hangs on strings. Even gravity is explained that way. In other words: the universe is elegant as if the creator was a violin player and if many different creators would have created it, it would should show different handwrittings. The physical universe was now standing. The human body is also a creation of the creator, but not the spirits, the souls, the thetans, as they always existed. I think in the beginning thetans took the bodies available and a while everything was alright. We must have a fine civilization and played good games, till some of the thetans did not stick to any rules. They sort of hit others over the heads and became bad and perverted rather quickly. They would not listed to not do what they don't want to be done to themselves. Those perverted thetans made it to their game to harm, kill and pervert the other thetans that did not want to play foul. Those thetans did nothing during the centuries than trying to control and pervert others. They became later psychiatrists as they are known wanting to control others. A thetan does most of the time the same thing he did before. He is sort of picking up what the left in his other life behind. If you were a harmless artist, you will be one again, and if a thetan is a suppressive beast, he will continue his crime spree. If he once tried to get in the mind of people and controlled them, he will do so again. I am talking about those thetans that choose to be esp. psychs. I don't think that the story of Adam and Eve played here on earth but on another planet. I am also convinced that the creator's nearest and dearest never turned on him or themselves. But there was the snake, remember? Doctors have the snake in their symbol, which should make you think. The snake had a human body, and likely there were several of them, people with snaky characters, trying to prey on the thetans that stayed good and seduced them to drugs. It was not an apple. Many people followed the lead of the snake and drugs, and the rest is history. Ethics and moral was forgotten by many thetans. Those that got bad the quickest in the beginning were those that seduced the others to become bad. They never changed their ways. They stayed bad. In other words; nothing on this earth committed by humans should surprise you. I don't believe that the creator who created the universe created animals and germs. Basically you know him and that he would never expect a thetan to be reduced to a life time as an animal. How did they come into existance? Bad people, the snakes, the psychs made experiments with thetans and bodies and created this kind of life forms. No thetan in the beginning wanted to be a dog, a pig or a virus. The least they wanted was a human body. Somebody tampered with human bodies and degraded thetans and they evolved into animals. What about the germs? The snakes, suppressive thetans (psychs) made more and more experiments with thetans. You can glue them together (as mentioned in OT III) but you can also split them. A thetan exist out of a tiny bit of material. He can be measured and seen. One can trap a thetan. Just imagine somebody would do that to one and explode him over and over in pieces and implant him to dissolve, to not more exist, to split. The thetan still would be, as he can't be killed, but he could be disolved as big being and the parts of him would continue to live, picking up low life forms as bodies of animals and even bacteria. However, as the germ, virus or bacteria is basically a piece of us, he can be manipulated with the same methods as a human being. What I write should be validated science, independently and extensively researched all over the planet. I don't claim to be all knowing, but what I present is not totally erroneous. I never said so. If you disagree at some point, you hope you have some information to back that up, and not just a feeling. Hey, no problem. Just ask miracles of me. I am used to it. The universities are sleeping (have not yet officially tailed a thetan without body through an UV camera, the easiest thing on earth) but I, without any cash and resources, have to bring the scientific proof! You do have some misconceptions about germs, and what they are able to do. And you seeing them as instrument of your enemy, it makes you focus on the wrong things. In other words, what you are fighting/fearing is not real. That is completely false, Bent. I am well aware of that I can't just convince of that. And even suggesting it, would make you think I am controlled by the enemy to throw you off track. I would suggest you talk to someone who have studied medicine, biology or something, to confirm, clarify or perhaps correct my ramblings. I understand from other posts you have made, that you are very critical towards any "med. folks", so that might pose a problem. They know so little. How often have I heard that they have no answer to questions that I tried to have answered! If nothing else I hope you enjoy the reading. Sure, what is nicer than reading about germs. :) > [snip] >> >>>I understand what you mean, but a cell should live without any germs, >>>bacteria or viruses in them. >> >>No you turn it around. A virus is nothing without a cell. > > Okay, I get now what you mean. Do you mean that the basic component of > a virus is a cell? My bad english I think. Your English is not bad. What I mean is, a virus would have no meaning, no purpose, if there was no cells in its enviroment. Correct, but germs, spores and bacteria are also dangerous. As I wrote in another post : ...a virus is not a living machine. They are at best a fraction of a subcomponent, that is needed to assembly a cell... But that information is contrary to many of the links that you provided. The links say that viruses LIVE within a cell but can't survive without one. I am saying: like a fish, who can't survive on land, but nevertheless he is an animal, just like the virus in one. Think of computer viruses. The code of computer virus is the same as other programs(genetic code). Outside the computer (cell), the virus does nothing. It can not spread or do any harm at all. Once inside a computer, and loaded into the central processing unit, it can take over the computer, copy itself onto the harddrive, try to spread through the internet, or just sit there and wait. I bet there are not just computer viruses, but real and remote controlled germs that sabotage software and hardware of computers. See also : http://www.people.ku.edu/~jbrown/virus.html >>>>A virus is just a piece of RNA or >>>>DNA, and have no life of its own, but needs a cell to invade before it >>>>comes to life, or rather, alters the life of the cell. >>> >>>I think you are mistaken to assume that germs can't live on their own. >>I didn't say that. I explained why the term "germ" could not be used >>instead of "cell". > > You did that? I thought I did that. Are we talking past eachother? You said : <quote> It would be better if you would refer to a germ or bacteria or virus and not the cell. <end quote> I said : <quote> I use the term "Cell" because the term Germ would include viruses, which is not "living", as Zinj also notes. <end quote> Joe Lynn, the Zinji is at fault here. :) If he would have not loaded down his anti-Scientology propaganda in this thread but rather stayed on the subject germs, there would me no confusion. He is also wrong that a virus is no living thing. >>>My guess is that they need a kind of nurishment like any other living >>>thing. I also think that they eat their own eggs or themselves if they >>>have too, but they are parasites and invade the cells. That is >>>correct. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You think that cells are eating other cells and Viruses don't eat each > other or their eggs? What made you come to that conclusion? Some cells can eat other cells (our immunesystem has macrophages, which can eat/kill invading bacterias). Viruses cannot eat anything, since it is just a piece of RNA or DNA, which is just a big molecular structure. They are living creatures that invade the cells but who says that they don't eat anything? However, whatever they do, it is nasty for us humans as they make us sick. I made the point that they can remote controlled attack humans. If they eat or do it otherwise is not that important, important is only to know that they do it. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA What or how bacterias "eat" is not an easy task to explain. Some nutrients simply drift through channels in the cellwall, others is actively "dragged" into the cell. What those nutrients are differs greatly. In general, the digesting would involve a series of chemical and/or mechanical processes. Or biological processes. Here you have it: animals are dragging food in the cell. Cells divide, split into two, make a copy of itself, but dont lay eggs. Some cells (certain bacteria, fungi) produce spores (kinda baby cell) Disgusting, and those sexual activities on and in our bodies. They should get a room! :) when starved and die, or otherwise in an adverse enviroment. Spores can stay dorment for years, until in a suitable enviroment come to life. I bet there are animals that are just like that. See also: http: |
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