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CERVICAL CANCER IS AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE. Ch V. FATAL PROBE

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yelxol - 06 Feb 2004 14:17 GMT
FATAL PROBE

CHAPTER V

CERVICAL CANCER IS AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE
AND
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO
THE HPV DORMANCY MISREPRESENTATION

True Fact:
Cervical cancer is an infectious disease, which is transmitted via the
human Papillomavirus (HPV), and one can be cross-infected with this
virus via a fomite [1], i.e. a non-sterile medical device.

Unproven, Self-Serving Claim:
"… older women who are not currently sexually active may have been
infected years before. HPV can live in the body for years, even a
lifetime, without any indication." A Large Medical Provider

.     [Author's Note: Please forgive the repetitiveness
.     of some of this information. I am particularly
.     outraged with regard to this subject, and have
.     sacrificed good penmanship in an effort to bring
.     your attention to this matter.]

It is remarkable that the above-quoted canard concerning the lifetime
dormancy of HPV - which has absolutely no bases of proof - has been
broadcast to and blindly accepted by ninety-nine percent (99%) of the
U.S. medical community – in lock step, Machiavellian construct. Their
purpose for expending such extensive efforts is completely
self-serving, utterly beguiling and certainly not in the best interest
of the good health of women.

Beginning with medical school, physicians are taught to never tell a
patient they do not know the answer to a patient's question, and one
way they avoid the appearance of not knowing is to parrot what they
have heard from another physician, who is, by default, a medical
expert.

Another method is for the physician to simply repeat something he has
read in some drug distributor's medical summary or data he has skimmed
over in a medical journal – which was written by… a medical expert.

This "medical hearsay" quickly becomes known as "common knowledge" in
the medical community because it is passed from the second physician
to three or four other colleagues, each of whom pass it on to four or
five associates… and so on.  (As referred to in the Introduction)

When the disinformation reaches this level, we refer to it as
Medspeak.

To repeat something we hear from another person is not necessarily a
bad thing; however, when the information repeated is directly related
to a serious health matter, we should always be sure the information
is accurate.

This is definitely true if we have reason to believe the person to
whom we are giving the information will trust – categorically – what
we are telling them, and will make life changing decisions based on
the information given them. Such is the role of the physician, and to
knowingly breach that trust is grossly irresponsible and clearly
unforgivable.

The HPV Dormancy Misrepresentation is such a breach, but in most
cases, it may be given unknowingly through ignorance, mixed with a
strong dose of Medspeak, which the physician considers to be "common
knowledge."

A typical patient diagnosed with HPV will have questions, such as
where, when and how.  Here is a shortened version of the misleading
message that such a patient will be given:

"Once contracted, the human Papillomavirus may (can or will [2])
remain dormant and undetectable in the human body for decades, then,
with no explainable reason, no triggering mechanism, may (can or will)
suddenly become very active."

However, let us be perfectly clear on this…
There is credible evidence that shows the medical profession
manufactured this myth and set in place a methodical plan of action as
a scheme to cover up the very real probability that large numbers of
women have become, and continue to become, infected with
cancer-causing HPV in their medical providers' office environments. In
fact:

No study exists that demonstrates HPV remains dormant in the human
body for decades!

The fundamental mechanics necessary for such a study extend the
imagination beyond the limits of credulity, with the major dilemma in
managing such a project being the re-infection component, a completely
unmanageable control factor for human subjects.

In addition, it would be necessary to closely track the control group
for fifteen to twenty years or more, unless an extrapolation technique
were implemented based on the results of fewer years. However, such
assumptions would not render reliable, peer-review data.

Nevertheless, regardless of the fact that there is no basis for the
dormancy theory, the surge of "medical hearsay" that parrots this
beguiling Medspeak dominates the Internet landscape. Approximately
1,500 web sites – most associated with the medical community – claim,
affirm and reaffirm this misconception, which is now spewed from the
mouths of ignorant physicians and nurses.

In the most favorable light, this scheme underlines the fact that the
practice of medicine is not a science. In the worst light, it points
to a devious, self-aggrandizing, self-serving, well-thought-out
strategy to protect its ‘good name' and, more importantly, its assets.

Although physicians and other medical providers assert long-term HPV
dormancy as though it is a proven fact, it is important that the
public knows the truth:

There is much credible evidence to support the converse, that:
HPV does not remain dormant in the human body for several years, and
certainly not for decades or for a person's lifetime. There are
thousands of individuals who are witness to this fact.

Several studies have been conducted for the purpose of determining
whether HPV remains dormant. Although they are doomed from the outset
– based on the above reasoning – all of them concluded on the side of
the fact that HPV does not remain dormant.

Here is a summary of a report by "Infectious Disease News" concerning
the latest study:
..."It has long been suggested that all HPV infections result in
lifelong carriage of the organism and that the virus may remain
"clinically silent," but a 1993 study, and the recently completed
follow-up study, produced contrasting results, according to lead
author Anna-Barbara Moscicki, MD, Univ of California at San Francisco.
...The first study suggested that some women infected with HPV appear
to eliminate the infection over a short time and are at low risk — or
no risk — of developing disease. The newest study yielded even more
promising results.
...Approximately 300 age-eligible women were screened…
...Based on the original 1993 study, the women were followed for a
mean of 27.6 months with an average of six visits…
...Moscicki said (the study) suggests that the cervices of patients
with repeatedly negative PCR results are free of the HPV types tested
and that the women had neither latent nor active HPV cervical
infection."
...Variability of (HPV) DNA testing in a longitudinal cohort of young
women; Moscicki AB, et.al.; Obstet Gynecol 1993 Oct;82(4 Pt 1):578-85

With the advent of the Internet, "medical common knowledge" that has
developed from years of "medical hearsay" has been propagated to a
completely different plane.  Patients now surf the Internet,
researching their personal health issues.  Doctors refer patients to
various websites, neglecting their professional duty to counsel
patients or to provide printed, explanatory materials.  When patients
find pertinent information from a noted health or medical entity's
Internet site, the validity of that information is seemingly verified.
Nevertheless, that certainly does not guarantee the information is
accurate, true, or benign in its message!
 
Listed at the back of this book at reference [3] are a few examples of
the Medspeak that relate directly to the subject, "The HPV Dormancy
Misrepresentation". If you visit the referenced web sites you will see
that most of them simply parrot the same data. Notice the
chronological progression from may… to can… to usually… and from
dormant, to dormant for years, to many years, to forever.

"HPV may remain dormant," www.womenshealthinthenews.net
"HPV can remain dormant," www.umass.edu 
"HPV can remain dormant for months," www.3m.com 
"HPV can remain dormant for years," www.hscbklyn.edu 
"HPV can remain dormant for many years," www.forums.obgyn.net 
"HPV usually remains dormant," www.uhs.berkeley.edu 
"HPV usually remains dormant forever," www.navymedicine.med.navy.mil
"HPV can remain dormant in your system for the rest of your life,"
www.healthboards.com

As with the term *Standard-of-Care*, if you say it enough, everyone
will believe it… well, most everyone.

Unless you were specifically watching for it, you would not have
noticed the subtle, shrewd and broadening move by the entire medical
profession toward the promotion of the dormancy theory, which they
created and have defended for over a decade.

Why is the dormancy theory an irreducible constituent of the medical
community? Why have they gone to the extraordinary effort of
constructing and promulgating such a broad based misrepresentation?

Asked another way…
Why did those who frame and institute the strategy and ‘presumptions'
of medical providers opt in on the side of a baseless dormancy theory,
as opposed to non-dormancy? Was there some sort of meeting in which a
presentation was given, then a vote taken? Believe it or not, this is
not a tongue-in-cheek question.  The answer is - yes, such meetings do
take place, and risk management committees are assigned to the task of
"stopping the news" or, if the problem leaks out – minimizing the
damage.

There is only one logical answer as to why the medical profession
hawks the HPV dormancy scheme with such intensity:

The profession's Risk Management contingent (those charged with the
duty of overseeing matters concerning broad based liability issues),
are aware of the very high probability that a significant percentage
of women have contracted the HPV virus during visits to the offices of
their medical providers.

For many women diagnosed with HPV, an explanation of the mode of
infection can be relatively simple – though often not conclusive.
Although there is rarely any clear cut, definitive evidence that might
prove where the patient contracted the disease, there is usually a
list of ‘probable suspects'… a one-night stand with some guy, a
boyfriend who may have had a recent relationship with another girl,
etc. There is often at least a suspect.

However, this is not always the case. It turns out that there is
little or no explanation for the infection of over 80% of women
diagnosed with cervical-cancer-causing HPV, or cHPV.

These include: Women over the age of sixty-five, confirmed virgins,
nuns and women in monogamous marriages.

In all of these cases the health care provider, as a last resort, and
in an attempt to explain away the unexplainable infection, drags out
the dormancy theory.

Not much explanation is needed concerning confirmed virgins, nuns and
women in long-term monogamous marriages; however, let us take a look
at the group of women who are affected the most by this disease.

Women Over The Age Of Sixty-Five
(Our mothers and grandmothers.)

"We did expect to find a peak of infection in the younger groups, and
we did expect to find a decrease in the infection rate in the older
groups. We were surprised that there was an indication that older
women again began to develop a higher prevalence of HPV." Study
co-author Dr. Alice Lytwyn, Canadian Medical Association Journal

Although cervical cancer is caused by HPV, which is classified by the
CDC as a sexually transmitted disease, women over the age of 65
constitute 80% of cervical cancer deaths in the U.S. Even more dismal
is the fact that women over the age of 65 comprise only 24.1% of the
women who are prone to cervical cancer (over the age of 29).

The widespread dissemination of the dormancy theory is crucial for
medical providers. It is essential that that they establish the
"medical common knowledge" that HPV can be contracted at a very early
age, never present symptoms, lay dormant for forty years (or more),
then suddenly cause cancer.

As a cause for the disproportionately high cancer rate of older women,
the medical profession points out that only 8% of women over the age
of 65 have regular Pap smears as the important integral.

However…

Fact #1: Women between the age of 50 and 64 receive 35% of the Pap
smears.
Fact #2: Women between the age of 30 and 39 receive only 14% of the
Pap smears.
Fact #3: It takes 10 to 15 years to develop cervical cancer from the
first appearance of abnormal cellular activity.

Therefore, the possibility that a woman over the age of 65 has
received a Pap smear within the previous 10 to 15 years is *250%*
greater than the possibility that a woman between the ages of 40 and
55 has received a Pap smear within the previous 10 to 15 years.

Nonetheless, the woman over 65 is 200% more likely to die of cervical
cancer.

The medical profession must identify a different important integral.

Even more noteworthy: The CDC reports that in 1995 and 1996, persons
75 years and older visited the doctor more often than any other group,
6.1 visits per person, and females made 59.4 percent of the visits.
[4]

HYPOCRISY

Since HPV is considered a sexually transmitted disease, the medical
community's only blameless answer to the disproportionate numbers of
elder victims is the ever-convenient dormancy theory.  The obvious
(and more rational) explanation is the cross contamination of
patients, particularly when they fall within the 50-64 age grouping
that receives 35% of given Pap smears.

Medical providers would have us believe that, once contracted, the
human Papillomavirus can remain dormant and undetectable in the human
body for decades, then, suddenly, inexplicably, with no known or
explainable triggering mechanism, may ‘decide' to become very active.

However, there is no proof of this self-serving assertion. None!

If there is no proof, on what is the claim based, and is the
propagation of the claim self-serving?

It is actually based on pure assumptions, "medical hearsay" and what
is referred to as "medical common knowledge"… but not facts, and
certainly not scientific studies.

One particularly habitual, and cunning method used by many medical
providers is to reference a study (only by name and year) that
supposedly supports their contention that HPV has been proven to lay
dormant forever. Yet, when one goes to the effort of searching out
those references, one finds the author has simply made the statement
that HPV is dormant. This method is used widely in an effort to
"prove" this self-serving postulation.

On the other hand, actual studies have shown those infected with HPV
clear the virus from their system within six to ten months, with some
indications that it may take as long as two years to be completely
free of it. [5]

Considering the fact that a great majority of those infected with the
virus contract it sexually, as a result of a patterned "life-style",
or promiscuous behavior, it is interesting that research-based PhD
pathologists do not conclude that reinfection is the primary reason
why some patients find themselves reinfected at a later date.

Additionally, though the medical profession is quick to assign HPV
infection to sexual transmission, and forcefully promotes the false
claim that this is the only mode of infection, a patient who becomes
reinfected with the virus after an extended time is always told the
reinfection is due to the reemergence of the dormant virus… not sexual
transmission… quite an interesting juxtaposition.

Although the logic of reinfection is easily understood and certainly
explains why many of the cases that are infected with the virus,
"clear" the virus from their system for several years, then, suddenly,
find themselves reinfected, this obvious answer is not a part of the
reasoning given by medical providers. Why?

The answer is simple. The easiest, less stressful, "guiltless"
doctors' explanation is that the virus just lays dormant for 10, 20,
30 years… or forever.

The patient is always – in every case – an easy ‘patsy' for this
fabrication. The ‘guiltless' factor alone naturally makes the patient
a willing and anxious advocate – and a future big-time promoter – of
this false notion.  No woman wants to consider the possibility that
she's been reinfected with an STD.  The embarrassment involved in
answering questions and confronting sexual partners with the situation
is a natural inhibitor, and human nature will be to accept the less
painful, less awkward option of dormancy – particularly when offered
to her by her own, trusted doctor.

More importantly, it removes or circumvents any thoughts the patient
may have as to the possibility that she may have contracted the virus
from the medical provider.

The entities that decide such things categorized genital HPVs as a
Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD) because HPV's primary transmission
mode is by way of sexual contact. Nevertheless, this creates quite a
vexing conundrum for those who do not contract HPV by sexual contact,
and always causes severe problems for those who are celibate, virgins
or in long-term, faithful marriages.

There are many cases involving a husband or wife who had been married
faithfully for 10, 20 years or longer, where the wife suddenly and
mysteriously contracted HPV.

Here is a typical scenario:

The wife's medical provider tells her she has a sexually transmitted
disease – but never informs her the disease is also spread in other
ways, because *one* of those paths is by way of non-sterile medical
instruments, and the physician is certainly not going to open that
door. [6, 7, 8, 9]

The wife knows she hasn't ‘messed around', so the only possible
explanation is that she contracted the virus from her husband.

The moment she is given the devastating information she begins to
think of the times her husband came home late, with the excuse of a
late appointment… or no excuse… because she trusted him. There had
never been any reason not to trust him… until now.

Even before she pulls out of the doctor's parking lot, she sits in her
car, unable to drive safely. She is terrified, angry, panic-stricken,
horrified, frightened, petrified and very confused… all at the same
time.

By the time her husband arrives home that evening, she has cried for
hours, until she is almost beside herself… [You get the picture].

He flatly – and truthfully – denies having extra marital sex, and the
argument begins. She has been told that, unequivocally, she has a
sexually transmitted disease (neither she nor her husband have ever
been infected with an STD) and the only possible way she could have
contracted it was sexually. She also tells her husband that the nurse
(or doctor) told her that if she had not "messed around", then the
disease had to have come from her husband.

The wife files for divorce, files ‘testimony' from her doctor that
states the wife has an STD and the four children begin living without
a father in the home and…

There are obviously different versions of this scenario, but the
basics remain the same.

If, during the consultation or chat concerning how, where and when she
became infected, the patient insists that she has never ‘messed
around' and she is positive her husband has been faithful, then the
physician may "drag out" the old dormancy theory, which is presented
as fact.

The patient is asked if she ever had sex before she met her husband,
or had even been touched sexually by anyone. If the patient says she
was only briefly touched by a guy when she was fifteen, the doctor
will tell her that was more than likely when she became infected, but
that the virus had simply lain dormant for the last 26 years.

The patient has an answer that she can live with, and the non-billable
minutes spent chatting about where the patient contracted the virus
are cut short… and the physician is off the hook.

Here are two typical scenarios on which the claim of lifetime HPV
dormancy is based. Both are rather detailed and lengthy, but necessary
in order to explain the reason medical providers are compelled to
convince the public of the dormancy theory. Each is based on a
true-life case, but the names have been changed.

Scenario One:

It is 1998, and Katie and Paul Walton had just celebrated their
thirtieth wedding anniversary. Katie was a virgin when they married
and Paul had only been intimate with one other girl before he met
Katie. They have always been faithful to each other and Katie's yearly
visits to Dr. Metzger, her gynecologist, included a Pap smear, which
was always negative.

This year was different. Abnormal cells were found and Katie was
eventually found to be infected with gHPV (genital human
Papillomavirus), which Metzger explained was a ‘sexually transmitted
disease' (STD), the cause of cervical cancer and could only be
contracted sexually. She left his office humiliated and horrified.

By the time Paul arrived home from the office that afternoon, she had
read through forty-eight Internet web sites. All of them confirmed the
fact that HPV was a sexually transmitted disease.

It was not a good night at the Walton house.

Katie's absolute trust in Paul had met head on with the information
given her by her trusted gynecologist of thirty years and absolute
confirmation from forty-eight medical providers that the disease with
which she was now infected – which she now knows is the cause of
cervical cancer – is a horrible, dirty, sexually transmitted disease.

Yes, divorce even crossed her mind. Her entire life had suddenly
become distorted and grotesque.

Two days later, during another visit with Dr. Metzger, she came
unglued, sobbing uncontrollably. She simply could not deal with the
fact that after thirty years of marriage she was suddenly and
unexplainably infected with a sexually transmitted disease.

Metzger could see she was not going to be able to deal with this, so
he offered the elixir.

Katie was told that many people who are infected with HPV never
develop any symptoms, but the virus remains dormant in their bodies
for ten, twenty, thirty years or longer… sometimes for life.

The elixir was working; it grabbed her attention and she asked how
this applied to her.

"Katie, you've stated that you and Paul have been faithful to each
other during your entire thirty years of marriage, but were you in a
relationship with anyone before you met Paul?"

"No. I was a virgin when I married."

"Did you allow anyone to ‘touch' you in a sexual way?"

"No."

"Do you know if Paul was sexually active before he met you?"

"Yes, with one girl."

"Then there's your answer, Katie (the elixir). Paul obviously – but
unknowingly – contracted the virus from her thirty years ago, spread
the virus to you, and it has laid dormant somewhere in your system for
the last thirty years."

Katie bought the bait, the hook, the line, the sinker, the rod and the
reel… because she trusted her doctor and because she needed an answer,
even if it did sound a bit contrived.

But there was no other explanation and it gave her some peace of mind.

During the previous year Dr. Metzger had offered the same ‘peace of
mind' to eighteen other happily married, monogamous couples. During
this same period he also diagnosed and treated forty-nine cases of
genital HPV… in the same room, on the same examining table, with the
same non-sterile examining devices.

Scenario Two:

It is 1999 and 67-year-old Sister Marianne has been a Dominican nun in
Greater Boston for almost 50 years. God blessed her with almost
perfect health, but because of two articles she read back in the early
80s that claimed cervical cancer could be caused by "bad genetics,"
and the fact that her mother had died 15 years ago of cervical cancer,
she paid yearly visits to Dr. Woodward, the local gynecologist, for
the last several years.

The tests for the first 15 years were normal, but the 16th one was
not.

The sister informed several others of her unfortunate news and asked
for their prayers. One of them did a bit of research and was shocked
to learn that 99.8% of all cases of cervical cancer were caused by a
sexually transmitted disease, HPV. She also asked and verified that
the remaining .2% was well within the standard error rate of plus or
minus 1%, which confirmed that there was no doubt that all cervical
cancer is caused by HPV, a sexually transmitted disease.

This totally devastating revelation was confirmed by Dr. Woodward, and
after Sister Marianne insisted on a determination as to whether she
was infected with HPV, he did his own research and found there was a
simple, low-cost HPV test made by the Digene Corporation.

Sister Marianne, a devout Catholic and a confirmed virgin, tested
positive. She was infected with a sexually transmitted disease.

But Dr. Woodward had also read somewhere that the virus may remain
dormant forever, which made sense to him. He asked Sister Marianne if
she had ever – in her entire life – even been touched in her genital
area by another person.

"Ever? In my entire life?"

"Yes, sister."

"Well, other than you, doctor, I suppose I would have to say my mother
probably did when I was an infant."

"And didn't your mother die of cervical cancer?"

"Yes."

"Well, I think we have solved the problem, sister. As I told you, the
virus doesn't always produce symptoms, and it remains dormant in the
body forever. Your mother obviously inadvertently infected you with
the virus when you were an infant."

Dr. Woodward wasn't quite so tense when he gave the explanation to two
other Boston nuns. One of them said she had sexual intercourse before
she became a nun and the other had been touched sexually before she
had taken her vows.

During the previous year, Dr. Woodward also treated sixty-two other
women who had presented with genital HPV. Three of them were scheduled
just prior to Sister Marianne's 1998 exam and were examined on the
same table, with the same speculum… and the doorknobs [10] and cabinet
tops were not sterilized afterward.

One of Dr. Woodward's nurses is infected with HPV, but has not
informed anyone in the office. Even if she had told of her infection,
nothing would have changed. The infected nurse is also the one
assigned to the cleaning of the instruments, which she detests because
of the damage done to her beautiful, well manicured, paste-on
fingernails. [See Endnote at [11]: "… nurse had an infection under the
fingernail which made its way to surgical sites even though the nurse
wore latex gloves.]

See Chapter VI: Entire Medical Profession Quietly Ignores Their Own
Theory of HPV Dormancy

References:

[1]  A fomite is an inanimate object.
[2]  Some physicians use the word "may", others use the word "can",
and others use the word "will". See list of web site posts at the back
of this book.
[3]  Internet sites that promote (as of this printing)  the misleading
claim that HPV remains dormant in the body forever:

Womens Health in the News
(HPV) may remain dormant
www.womenshealthinthenews.net/

HPV Information for Women
(HPV) may remain dormant ...
www.npclinics.com/

iVillage.com: The Women's Network
(HPV) may remain dormant
www.ivillagehealth.com/

Genital warts: XtraMSN Health
(HPV) may remain dormant
xtramsn.co.nz/

Genital Warts Transfer Factor Immune Syst
(HPV)may remain dormant for years
www.4lifetf.com/genital_warts.html

Genital Warts and HPV
(HPV) can remain dormant
www.umass.edu/uhs/warts.html

[PDF]HUMAN PAPILLOMAVIRUS (HPV)
(HPV) can remain dormant
www.stressgen.com/

File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
(HPV) can remain dormant
www.rwhmelb.org/

Aldara (imiquimod) Cream, 5% -
(HPV) can remain dormant for months
www.3m.com/us/

October 7,1994
(HPV) can remain dormant for months
wildcat.arizona.edu/

[PDF]Pap Smear Patient Information
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
www.labcorp.com/

WOMENS-HEALTH Messages
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
forums.obgyn.net/

The Abnormal PAP Smear
(HPV) can remain dormant for years.
192.215.104.222/

template
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
www.wvdhhr.org/

Birth Control Basics Guide
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
guide.fateback.com/4.html

American Indian Youth Challenge
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
www.crihb.org/Tobacco/challenge.htm

Re: HPV (human papilloma virus)
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
seniors-site.com/ailments/6075.html

Brooklyns Women's Health... Q & A
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
www.hscbklyn.edu/

aarogya.com " The Wellness Site "
(HPV) can remain dormant for years
www.aarogya.com/

WOMENS-HEALTH Messages
(HPV)can remain dormant for many years
forums.obgyn.net/forums/

A Friend Indeed
(HPV can remain dormant for many years
www.cancercare.mb.ca/

Re: Condylomata & HPV
(HPV)can remain dormant in your system for the rest of your life
www.healthboards.com/

Health Information
(HPV) usually remains dormant
uhs.berkeley.edu/

Human Papilloma Virus (HPV)
(HPV)usually remains dormant forever
navymedicine.med.navy.mil/

Virtual Naval Hospital:
(HPV)usually remains dormant forever.
www.vnh.org/OBGYN/

[4]  Annual number and percent of office visits by selected diagnostic
and therapeutic procedures, averaged over a 2-year period, United
States, 1995–96: Persons 75 years and older had the highest visit
rate, 6.1 visits per person. Females made 59.4 percent of the visits …

[5]  Study Results Indicate HPV Can Disappear From System,
Anna-Barbara Moscicki, MD, 1997,University of California at San
Francisco.

[6]  Non-sexual transmission of sexually transmissible diseases.
Broso P, Buffetti G, Sacco A:  "Sexually transmitted diseases can be
transmitted through nonsexual transmission. It is possible that
contamination may occur with use of the contaminated speculum and
forceps. Use of laser may release viruses during treatment for viral
diseases. Candidiasis, trichomoniasis and  genitalis condilomatosis,
which should not be considered an exclusively sexually transmitted
diseases are considered."

[7]  Aust N Z J Obstet Gynaecol 1990 Aug;30(3):240-2; Tay SK, Ho TH,
Lim-Tan SK; Dept of Ob & Gyn, Singapore Gen Hosp. "The high prevalence
of (HPV) infection among the virginal women indicated that
transmission of HPV by nonsexual modes was common."

[8]  Gynecol Oncol 1995 Dec;59(3):423-6; Craigo J, Hopkins M, DeLucia
A.; Dept of Microbiology/Immunology, Northeastern Ohio Univ, College
of Medicine, "The results show that genital oncogenic human
papillomaviruses may be passed by nonsexual routes and suggest that
the virus may work in concert with p53 mutations to help the infected
tissue progress toward invasive cancer."

[9] J Am Acad Dermatol 1990 Aug;23(2 Pt 1):205-13; Obalek S, Misiewicz
J, Jablonska S, Favre M, Orth G.; Dept of Dermatology, Warsaw School
of Medicine, Poland; "This study shows the frequent nonsexual
transmission of genital papillomaviruses in children…"

[10] Doorknobs: a source of nosocomial infection, Diagnostic Medicine,
Nov/Dec, 1983, Phyllis J. Kuhn, Ph.D, "..stainless steel produced a
heavy growth of all microbes" "Culturing a stainless steel knob on a
door between a burn unit and an intensive-care unit, I found a
multiply resistant Staphylococcus epidermidis with a susceptibility
pattern identical to that found in the blood of a septic patient in
the intensive-care unit. Cultures of wounds of several other patients
yielded similar organisms."

[11] Alicia J. Mangram, MD, Univ. of Texas, Houston Dept of Surg.,
Herman Hosp. "Many studies have linked OR workers with active
infections to surgical site infections. An outbreak of Serratia
marcesans in cardiovascular patients was traced back to a contaminated
jar of exfoliant cream in a nurse's home. Although Serratia does not
normally colonize the human skin, it can colonize artificial nails,
which this nurse was wearing. Another nurse had an infection under the
fingernail which made its way to surgical sites even though the nurse
wore latex gloves."
Steve Harris  sbharris@ROMAN9.netcom.com - 07 Feb 2004 22:08 GMT

> Beginning with medical school, physicians are taught to never tell a
> patient they do not know the answer to a patient's question,

Comment:

Bullshit. Burdon of proof for this outrageous statement rests on you.
Why do you you think it's true? Can you find it in any published
material for any medical school curricula? Have you heard it while
attending medical school (I haven't, and what's more I've been there
to hear it, and you haven't). You have a tape recording of medical
students being told this in medical school? No? So what's your
evidence?

> However, let us be perfectly clear on this?
> There is credible evidence that shows the medical profession
> manufactured this myth and set in place a methodical plan of action as
> a scheme to cover up the very real probability that large numbers of
> women have become, and continue to become, infected with
> cancer-causing HPV in their medical providers' office environments.

COMMENT:

There is no such credible evidence. In fact, it sounds like paranoid
ravings. As does any theory which requires that millions of physicians
and nonphysician virologists alike are "in on" some vast conspiracy.
Which only you seem to know about, at this point.

> In
> fact:
>
> No study exists that demonstrates HPV remains dormant in the human
> body for decades!

COMMENT:

Define your terms. "Dormant" is not a medical word, and is only used
by doctors in trying to explain medical terms like subclinical or
latent. Probably "dormant" is a bad synonym because no viral
infection, even one which shows no outward signs, is ever truely
dormant. Even herpes zoster, waiting decades between chickenpox and
shingles, is ticking over and making at least one protein. Think of it
rather like that fog that the eggs make in the movie Alien.

The idea of latency of infections for "decades" is an extrapolation of
studies which have found evidence of latency of HPV infections for
longer than 5 years in serial followup studies. Longer periods are
extrapolated from that, since it seems reasonable to imagine that
women who've been infected for more than years (and as long as the
study has run) with the same strains of HPV, will remain infected for
longer than that, as well. Here is a study which was running for 8
years at the time it was reported, and long latency is what it
concluded:

APMIS. 1989 Nov;97(11):957-70.

Epidemiology of human papillomavirus (HPV) infections and their
associations with genital squamous cell cancer. Review article.

Syrjanen KJ.

Department of Pathology, University of Kuopio, Finland.

Reliable assessment of the epidemiology of genital HPV infections is
hamphered by a number of technical problems. Because of the lack of
tissue-culture systems, methods based on morphological approaches
(colposcopy, cytology and histopathology) play a central role in HPV
diagnosis. Even DNA-hybridization techniques and the recently
introduced DNA amplification with PCR are extremely difficult to
standardize, and are thus subject to major interlaboratory variation.
Further confusion in the field is created by the complex biological
behaviour of HPV infections. As established by the long-term
prospective follow-up study of over 500 women which has been running
in Kuopio since 1981, clinical progression and regression are
significantly related to the grade of the lesion at the time of
diagnosis (p less than 0.00001, and p = 0.0005, respectively), as well
as to the type of HPV (p = 0.0012). Most importantly, however, genital
HPV infections seem to run an extremely fluctuating course, passage
from manifest to subclinical or latent infection being frequently
encountered in individual patients when examined at 6-month intervals
over prolonged periods. This explains the significantly divergent
prevalence figures reported in different series (ranging from 2% to
80%), which are completely dependent on the technique used to analyse
the presence of HPV, i.e. whether a) PAP smear, b) biopsy, c) DNA
hybridization, or d) PCR amplification. The first two are capable of
disclosing only manifest (clinical) infections, the latter two also
the latent ones. In an unselected population of 22-year-old Finnish
females, the prevalence of clinical HPV infections was about 3 per
cent, and the adjusted annual incidence was 8.0 per cent. According to
estimates of the life-time risk, up to 79% of Finnish females will
contract at least one HPV infection between the ages 20 to 79 years.
When related to the long-term trends in invasive cervical cancer in
Finland, it is evident that this 79% life-time risk of becoming
HPV-infected or even the observed 15% clinical progression rate for
HPV infections in the prospective follow-up study by no means
signifies an identical risk of developing cervical cancer (i.e. 0.79 x
0.15 = 11%). It seems likely that in countries where mass-screening
programmes exist (and precancer lesions are traced), the high
prevalence of HPV infections is not necessarily reflected as an
increased prevalence of invasive cervical carcinomas. The distinction
of lesions at risk for malignant transformation from those regressing
spontaneously will have major implications in therapeutic
considerations of genital HPV infections.

Publication Types:
Review
Review Literature

PMID: 2556164 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


> The fundamental mechanics necessary for such a study extend the
> imagination beyond the limits of credulity, with the major dilemma in
> managing such a project being the re-infection component, a completely
> unmanageable control factor for human subjects.

COMMENT:
Quite so, but one presumes that when there are close correlations
between strains of latent virus detected, and previous non-latent
infections years before, that this is not a coincidence. Yes, perhaps
it's reinfection by the same partner. However, HPV is a long latency
virus in animal models as well, where one can control for these
factors. YOUR hypothesis is that it behaves completely differently in
humans. I think the more likely hypothesis is that it does in people
what it does in other primates.

It is also possible that HPV is spread by routes other than sexual. If
it's non-sexual, that doesn't mean foreign objects are all that are
left. The virus may well be transmitted vertically, from mother to
daughter, at birth.

Consider the following:

Dev Biol (Basel). 2001;106:443-51; discussion 452-3, 465-75.  

Viral latency--the papillomavirus model.

Broker TR, Jin G, Croom-Rivers A, Bragg SM, Richardson M, Chow LT,
Vermund SH, Alvarez RD, Pappas PG, Squires KE, Hoesley CJ.

Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics, University of
Alabama at Birmingham, 35294-0005, USA.

To investigate the prevalence and the natural history of human
papillomavirus infections, we monitored HPV DNA shedding as a
consequence of immunosuppression, with the expectation that latent
viral infections would reactivate and become detectable. The study
populations consisted of women who were in end-stage renal failure,
those who ultimately received kidney transplantations, and those who
had HIV/AIDS with various degrees of immune depression at entry. For
each woman, cervico-vaginal lavage to sample viral shedding from the
lower genital tract was performed at approximately six month
intervals, and the cohorts have been followed since 1996. Nested
polymerase chain reaction amplification of papillomavirus DNA using
novel pairs of primers was followed by diagnostic restriction
endonuclease cleavage or by DNA sequencing. This strategy is
particularly capable of identifying single and multiple infections and
determining the genotypes of any viruses present. Of the 225 women in
the HIV cohort, 177 (79%) were HPV-positive and 111 (49%) shed from
two up to eight different HPV types over the course of the survey.
Thirty-five different mucosotropic HPV types, virtually all that have
ever been described worldwide, were isolated from these 225 women, and
nine additional new (provisional) types were discovered. As is always
the case, HPV-6 was very common. However, all the other frequently
detected HPV types (45, 52, 53, 54, 58, 74) were more prevalent than
the types typically reported forthe general population (HPV-11, 16,
18, 31, 33, 35). Notably, the 14 members of the A3 phylogenetic
subgroup (HPV-61, 62, 72, 81, 83, 84, and all the new types) were by
far the most frequently observed viral types in the AIDS cohort. The
HPV prevalence in the cohorts of kidney transplantation candidates and
recipients was only slightly lower than that in the AIDS cohort. We
conclude that HPV infections are extraordinarily common and are
normally held in a sub-clinical state by functional immune systems,
but can be reactivated by immunosuppressive conditions. The question
of how so many distinct types persist in the human population and can
be repeatedly isolated from specimens collected around the world
raises complex issues concerning the nature of viral transmission,
reproduction, shedding, and mutational drift. These molecular
epidemiological observations signal the likelihood that HPV is part of
the commensal microflora of human epithelia. Their prevalence elicits
a caution that latent HPV DNA may be present in primary human
epithelial tissues.

> Nevertheless, regardless of the fact that there is no basis for the
> dormancy theory, the surge of "medical hearsay" that parrots this
> beguiling Medspeak dominates the Internet landscape. Approximately
> 1,500 web sites ? most associated with the medical community ? claim,
> affirm and reaffirm this misconception, which is now spewed from the
> mouths of ignorant physicians and nurses.

COMMENT:
And also "spewed" the mouths of people who've spent their professional
careers working with this virus, and who've forgotten more about it
than YOU will ever know. But you are here saying you know better. On
what grounds? Where are your studies? The ones you quote do not
support your position. What are your credentials? Hell, what is your
name? If you want to talk "hearsay," your essays serve as wonderful
examples.


> In the most favorable light, this scheme underlines the fact that the
> practice of medicine is not a science.

COMMENT
It is an applied science, like engineering. Like engineering, there is
some art to it.

> Although physicians and other medical providers assert long-term HPV
> dormancy as though it is a proven fact, it is important that the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> HPV does not remain dormant in the human body for several years, and
> certainly not for decades or for a person's lifetime.

COMMENT:
No, there isn't. There is evidence that it may not remain in the
bodies of SOME people. That doesen't mean it doesn't in "many" or even
"most." Finding that some women clear the virus does not mean that all
do, or even that most do.

> Several studies have been conducted for the purpose of determining
> whether HPV remains dormant. Although they are doomed from the outset
> ? based on the above reasoning ? all of them concluded on the side of
> the fact that HPV does not remain dormant.

COMMENT:
No, that is incorrect. I have posted two to the contrary in this
message alone (see above). So much for your use of the word "all."


> Here is a summary of a report by "Infectious Disease News" concerning
> the latest study:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> ...Variability of (HPV) DNA testing in a longitudinal cohort of young
> women; Moscicki AB, et.al.; Obstet Gynecol 1993 Oct;82(4 Pt 1):578-85

COMMENT:

And what fraction of women in the study was this?  Let's see if you
can read.

SBH
yelxol - 08 Feb 2004 18:09 GMT
Steve / Dr. Harris:

Thanks for your review of this post.

First. I think it was a bit 'out of bounds' to insert question marks
within my posts. But... the foul didn't 'determine the outcome of
the...'; therefore, I overlook it... sort of.

ex.:
> ...Based on the original 1993 study, the women were followed for a
> mean of 27.6 months with an average of six visits?  (your inserted "?")

Definite foul here and in several other spots. So, please do not
castigate me too heavily for a few words and/or phrases that may have
been better stated. For ex.:

> > Beginning with medical school, physicians are taught to never tell a
> > patient they do not know the answer to a patient's question,
>
> Comment:
>
> Bullshit.

You are correct, and I will rephrase this 'claim'. This was taken from
an anecdotal remark by a physician that was, well, anecdotal. However,
in the meantime, I shall dig deeper.

Also, concerning your retort,  "...it sounds like paranoid ravings."
and your use of the much overused charge "vast conspiracy", which is
commonly used to discredit the messenger and the message, overshadowed
the remainder of that paragraph.

Re. the "Dormancy Theory": I honestly do not believe you got any
points here.

You said: "It is also possible that HPV is spread by routes other than
sexual. If it's non-sexual, that doesn't mean foreign objects are all
that are left. The virus may well be transmitted vertically, from
mother to daughter, at birth."

So what is your point? Do you suggest that possibly vertical
transmission could be an important factor in the transmission of HPV?
Put another way... Do you suggest that VT of HPV is probably AS an
important a factor as cross-infection via fomites?

I respectfully suggest that this subject does not even belong in the
same discussion as cross-infection, regardless of the mode.

Re. my statement that:
"Approximately 1,500 web sites ? most associated with the medical
community ? claim, affirm and reaffirm this misconception, which is
now spewed from the mouths of ignorant physicians and nurses. (YOUR
question marks.)

I apologize. The word "ignorant" was a bit harsh. I should probably
should change that to "uninformed", recognizing that "ignorant" is
defined as "unlettered", which, by its definition renders the word
incorrect.

I actually did not intend the word in an offensive way... as in "I am
ignorant of the ..." and I could fill in the blank with innumerable
choices.

You ask: "What are your credentials? Hell, what is your name?"

Credentials? Do you infer that on must have credentials in order to
'properly' present new and credible thoughts or ideas?

I do not think that you actually believe that, because I have read
some of your posts and you seem to be a fair person who seeks the
truth. Email me and I will give you my name, rank AND serial number.

It is apparent that you and I will not agree on much concerning this
subject. But, do you object to the discussion of the possibility of
cross-infection of women during routine exams.

Also, do you disagree that there is a possibility that a significant
number of women are cross-infected with various pathogens with
non-sterile devices and procedures during medical examinaton?

Are you aware that there are NO guidelines published by the CDC, FDA
or OSHA concerning the sterilization of gynecological medical devices?

DO you see how this give the medical profession an 'open door', as far
as using non-sterile devices?

Do you agree that the placing of the gyn speculum, the gyn probe and
other gyn medical devices in the area of CLASS II devices (no need to
sterilize) has caused (could cause?, does cause?, may cause?... you
pick the most applicable)
the U.S. medical profession's Standard of Care to accept the use of
non-sterile gyn medical devices (without the knowledge of its
patients)?

Best regards.

Will

>  
> > Beginning with medical school, physicians are taught to never tell a
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>
> SBH
Steve Harris  sbharris@ROMAN9.netcom.com - 08 Feb 2004 23:47 GMT
> Steve / Dr. Harris:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Definite foul here and in several other spots.

COMMENT:

All of which you'll see happened when the google newsreader ran across
the odd dash symbols in your text which you apparently intend to be
hyphens, and read each as a "?". I didn't figure out at first this was
happening. Which is fine, because neither did you. However, this is a
microcosm for your attitude, because instead of realizing finally that
this was a simple machine error in coding, *you* decided instead that
some doctor, namely myself, was responsible for it, with evil intent.
Which attitude is pretty much is my problem with your whole style of
looking at life. Capiche?

SBH
yelxol - 13 Feb 2004 22:22 GMT
> > Steve / Dr. Harris:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> SBH

Your "...problem with (my) whole style of looking at life"?

You really DO want to change the subject, don't you. Are you an MD or a JD?

Will

BTW: You may be very surprised to learn 'how I look at life'... or don't.
 
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