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"Trophy Rapist" = Antoni Imiela ?

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Paul Nutteing - 15 Jan 2004 18:14 GMT
From

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13814385_method=full_sitei
d=50143_headline=-RAPE-CASE-JURY-PICKED-name_page.html

or
http://tinyurl.com/22sdr

"Judge Mr Justice Owen told the group any of them involved
in a mass DNA screening by police in the previous
two-and-a-half years could not sit on the jury. "

Is this because the prosecution want to not
reveal the mechanism. ?
Only 3,000 swabs were taken from people in a
catchment area otherwise at least 4 counties,
let alone Birmingham,
not the usual area of a city or a village only.
It was never revealed, the pre-selection
criterion for only 3,000.

This is my usenet post of  23 Oct 2002

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1622f08.0210230932.46f1be17%40posting.goo
gle.com&output=gplain

"The only information (as released to the media) the police have sofar
is he is white ,
aged 30 to 50 and may live in London, Surrey, Kent or Berkshire.
But they do have the suspect's DNA profile.
So how come they are only swabbing 3000 targets to find a match.
Buried in these DNA profiles is an indication of the person's
ethnic background. I know from my own DNA profile just
concerning the alleles (numbers) on just 2 of the 10 loci (markers)
ie D18S51 and D16S51 I or anyone else would know I was 20
times more likely to be white than black (true). With the computer
and data systems available to the police I am sure there
are combinations that would similarly give a greater likelihood
of being say Greek or Polish or Zambian origin or whatever. From that
construct a list of surnames of that origin. Especially if this
rapist's profile has thrown up a rare locus/allele combination. "

As it transpired the relevant ancestry seems to have been
Polish, I know he is
of German origin, but the surname and first name ,hence
police interest, is Polish .
[  I would posit that the DNA profile of the rapist
contained at least one D8S1179  allele 16 and D2S1338  allele 17,
maybe others less marked differentially but cumulatively
more common in Poland than general UK population. ]
It is a lot easier to find a matches if
preselected from 20 numbers in a DNA profile
down to 16 say and at the same time exclude > 99 per
cent of the UK community of non-Polish background.
It doesn't exclude anyone in the rest of the UK
being the offender, it doesn't even require that  
person to have Polish ancestry generations before.
It is just a statistical bias, not guaranteed
by any means. They may have done a (Jeffrey) Gafoor
trawl via existing data on the UK NDNAD, equally
contentious, as far as possibility of arriving
at a false match.

Then amazingly they are allowed 19 point matches /
one point mismatch as evidence of guilt rather than
exculpatory evidence. One point mismatch in 20
is a mismatch - proof of innocence - unless bioological
evidence to show differential mutation in the accused.
See prosecution of a Colin
Waite in Birmingham recently (defense was unaware ).
To do this they rely
on spontaneous mutation / heterogeneity / somatic
mosaicism without even exploring whether the
individual in question displays any such tissue mutation.
This phenomenon is related to the situation where someone
can have 2 different couloured eyes. In these sorts of
cases conjecturing a difference between buccal (cheek-cells )
and sperm cell-line, and no DNA profiling expert
to point out the error for the defense.
Mutation possible, yes , but rare even for the
loci used in DNA profiling which are chosen precisely
because they have a large amount of variation (due to
the more numerous mutations over time ).

Interesting to see if the prosecution does not
divulge the trawl background and whether the defence
picks up on the pre-selection/
false matching effect .
Perhaps they have matching cell-phone cell idents
coincident with some of the rape locations or
other strong corroboration. DNA profile
'match' on its own is just not sufficient with
this sort of trawling.

[ Any of the jury pool involved with the trawl
would be aware of pre-selection by Polish name ]

What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch and Parliament don't want
you to know.
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
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Mike Lives - 15 Jan 2004 18:41 GMT
> From

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13814385_method=full_s
iteid=50143_headline=-RAPE-CASE-JURY-PICKED-name_page.html
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/22sdr
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> This is my usenet post of  23 Oct 2002

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1622f08.0210230932.46f1be17%40posting
.google.com&output=gplain
> "The only information (as released to the media) the police have sofar
> is he is white ,
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
>
> e mail nutteing2@quickfindit.....com (just one dot)

So what's your point?  I don't get it
Paul Nutteing - 15 Jan 2004 20:51 GMT
> > From

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13814385_method=full_s
> iteid=50143_headline=-RAPE-CASE-JURY-PICKED-name_page.html
> > or
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> >
> > This is my usenet post of  23 Oct 2002

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1622f08.0210230932.46f1be17%40posting
> .google.com&output=gplain
> > "The only information (as released to the media) the police have sofar
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
>
> So what's your point?  I don't get it

The point is in the title, a DNA profile is not proof of
identity.
Irish Republic jurisprudence will not allow DNA profile
match ' evidence' on its own, see -
http://www.online.ie/news/viewer.adp?article=%203040050
in England since R v Watters appeal 2000/2001 it
should also be the case in England but is ignored.

Some in special branch and whoever controls
parliament and Fleet Street know there
are serious problems with DNA profiling
that they must keep supressed or a major
plank of the criminal justice system collapses.

What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch and Parliament don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine

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Nigel Brooks????? - 15 Jan 2004 23:07 GMT
> > From

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13814385_method=full_s
> iteid=50143_headline=-RAPE-CASE-JURY-PICKED-name_page.html
> > or
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> >
> > This is my usenet post of  23 Oct 2002

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1622f08.0210230932.46f1be17%40posting
> .google.com&output=gplain
> > "The only information (as released to the media) the police have sofar
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
>
> So what's your point?  I don't get it

I think he needs to gat a life.

Whoops - Nevermind, it is his life
http://nutteing3.no-frills.net/nutteing3.htm

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Nigel Brooks

WebMonkey - 15 Jan 2004 23:16 GMT
> I think he needs to gat a life.
>
> Whoops - Nevermind, it is his life
> http://nutteing3.no-frills.net/nutteing3.htm

He has gone nuts.
Desporado  ? - 16 Jan 2004 01:59 GMT
> > I think he needs to gat a life.
> >
> > Whoops - Nevermind, it is his life
> > http://nutteing3.no-frills.net/nutteing3.htm
>
> He has gone nuts.

monkey nuts no doubt eh ?

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nona revers - 16 Jan 2004 18:16 GMT
"Nigel Brooks²°°³©" <nbrooks@msn.com> wrote in message news:<bu76g3$e1c04$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> > > > > Interesting to see if the prosecution does not
> > > divulge the trawl background and whether the defence
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Whoops - Nevermind, it is his life
> http://nutteing3.no-frills.net/nutteing3.htm

Yes, if it wasn't for extremely corrupt social workers
in Wiltshire then forensic 'scientists' would have
been able to continue their deceipt.
Reserve your diagnosis "nutter" for the seriously
psychotic Stella Maria Constant
of Salisbury Social Services.

What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch and Parliament don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine

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nona revers - 16 Jan 2004 18:44 GMT
> From
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> It was never revealed, the pre-selection
> criterion for only 3,000.

from
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200nationalnews/content_objectid=1
3825170_method=full_siteid=50002_headline=-Railway-worker--raped-10-year-old--na
me_page.html

part quote
They finally made a breakthrough on November 19, 2002, when officers
called at Imiela's address in Appledore and obtained a sample from
him.

This allegedly provided a close match with semen found on the
Ashford rape victim.

"The probability of the tissue not belonging to the defendant was
in the order of a billion to one," Mr Dennis said. "He was told it
would take a week or so for the results. He must have known
how close he was to being caught."
end quote

How can these dangerous bastards get away with
a "close match" - any mismatch is a mismatch
in total. Watch them yet again declare "spontaneous
mutation" to 'explain ' the discrepancy but with
no extended biological testing to confirm
this arrant nonsense.

What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch and Parliament don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine

e mail nutteing2@quickfindit.....com (just one dot)
mike - 20 Jan 2004 12:11 GMT
> From

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13814385_method=full_sitei
d=50143_headline=-RAPE-CASE-JURY-PICKED-name_page.html

> or
> http://tinyurl.com/22sdr
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> This is my usenet post of  23 Oct 2002

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1622f08.0210230932.46f1be17%40posting.goo
gle.com&output=gplain

> "The only information (as released to the media) the police have sofar
> is he is white ,
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
>
> e mail nutteing2@quickfindit.....com (just one dot)

Wow !!!
DEEP  !!

Do you get out much?
nona revers - 20 Jan 2004 23:15 GMT
> > What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
> > and what Special Branch and Parliament don't want
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Do you get out much?

It looks as though they may have mobile
phone records.
If this shows consistent cell usage coincident
with locale and timing of many of the rapes
then they have their corroboration as it was 4/5 counties.
If just evidence he was on M25 on relevent
days then irrelevent.
As the rapist was supposed to be wearing
a condom would he not switch off his mobile
phone for the same reasoning?

What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch and Parliament don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine

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Paul Nutteing - 26 Jan 2004 18:42 GMT
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2453694

I've never read such an utter pile of crap.
How do they let 'experts' like this submit
such 'evidence' in court - just 2 bloody bands.

Quote
DNA 'Links Railway Worker to Rape Victim'
By Simon Baker, PA News
A railway worker accused of carrying out a series of rapes "cannot be
excluded" as the source of DNA taken from one alleged victim, a court heard
today.
A forensic scientist said results of tests on a sample taken from the mouth
of a 26-year-old were "what I might expect" of a mixture of DNA from the
victim and Antoni Imiela.
But Maidstone Crown Court heard that the chance of the DNA coming from
someone other than Imiela, of Appledore, near Ashford, Kent, was just one in
14.
<........>
She said that the DNA - consisting of just two "bands" - could be found in
Imiela's full genetic profile, and therefore she concluded that he could not
be excluded as the source.
End Quote

So a Valeri Tomlinson joins a
Faye Southern in my little black book

What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch and whoever controls Parliament
and Fleet Street don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine

e mail nutteing2@quickfindit.....com (just one dot)
 
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