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Dr. Jai Maharaj - 08 Jan 2004 20:04 GMT
Must see -

http://www.beef.com

Visit the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
web site for excellent food recommendations:

http://www.pcrm.org

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Mirza Ghalib - 09 Jan 2004 06:56 GMT
Especially worrisome for those who consume beef products should
be the fact that cooking cannot destroy the organisms responsible
for BSE and its human counterpart. At this point it is best to
give up all meat products. Not much is yet known about
what causes it, but one thing is certain, it is the
culmination point of mistreatment and abuse of animals by
the so-called civilized world. It is another HIV or SARS.

Read the following:
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HOW BSE WORKS

BSE is spread by contact with brain or other nervous-system tissue
from an infected individual. Contact can be from eating food or food
by-products that have been contaminated with nervous tissue, or from
instruments that have contacted diseased nervous tissue. Once the
infectious agent enters the brain, it can lie dormant for several
years (even as long as 10 to 15 years). When activated, the agent
kills brain cells, leaving large areas of spongy holes. Also, large
clumps of abnormal prion proteins (plaques) are found in brain cells.
Once the agent is activated, the disease runs its course in less than
one year, and ultimately results in death.

We don't know the agent that causes BSE, but we do know the following:

The agent must be small - The agent's size must be as small or smaller
than a virus.

You can't kill it by cooking or freezing - Much higher temperatures
than those used in cooking or sterilizing are required to kill it.

Disinfectants don't work - Normal chemicals that you would use to
disinfect surfaces for bacteria and viruses (Lysol, Betadine) are not
effective.

It does not appear to have genetic information (nucleic acids) - This
finding has been questioned.

Research into BSE and similar diseases (nvCJD, CJD, scrapie) have
provided three theories about the agent that causes BSE. These
theories lead us to believe that it is:

An unidentified virus or virus-like particle - Although the size of
the agent is right, the resistance to heat and chemicals, as well as
the absence of any nucleic acids, would make it unlike any known
virus.

A mobile bacterium (Spiroplasma) - Many of the features of Spiroplasma
infections are similar to BSE, but there is no direct evidence to tie
it to BSE.

An abnormal protein (prion) - Abnormal prions are found throughout the
brains of BSE-infected cows, nvCJD victims, CJD victims and
scrapie-infected sheep. The protein is smaller than a virus and not
changed by heat or by disinfectants. This hypothesis is the most
prevalent in the media, but goes against many accepted theories of
biology.

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> Must see -
>
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> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
Mohd Kaffir - 09 Jan 2004 16:35 GMT
> Especially worrisome for those who consume beef products should
> be the fact that cooking cannot destroy the organisms responsible
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> Read the following:
> ------------------------------------------------------------

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The greed of the farmers and the carelessness of the FDA are responsible.

Europe has already adopted strong measures against it.

And FDA has not enforced the ban on feeding of slaughterhouse waste.

This happens because rich people can buy "organic meat" at a higher
price, which are devoid of all these issues.
Romanise - 09 Jan 2004 17:21 GMT
mghalib01@yahoo.com (Mirza Ghalib) wrote
> Especially worrisome for those who consume beef products should
> be the fact that cooking cannot destroy the organisms responsible
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> culmination point of mistreatment and abuse of animals by
> the so-called civilized world. It is another HIV or SARS.

If humans stop eating flesh how much of earth can be returned to forest cover?
Dr. Jai Maharaj - 09 Jan 2004 18:41 GMT
In article <dcef526a.0401090921.1ed2971d@posting.google.com>,
dmjoshi@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) posted:

> mghalib01@yahoo.com (Mirza Ghalib) wrote
>> Especially worrisome for those who consume beef products should
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> culmination point of mistreatment and abuse of animals by
>> the so-called civilized world. It is another HIV or SARS.

> If humans stop eating flesh how much of earth can be returned to forest cover?

I posted the following in 1996:

[ Subject: Bye-Bye Rain Forest (Sigh)
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: June 15, 1996
[ Newsgroups:  soc.culture.indian, . . .

BYE-BYE RAIN FOREST (SIGH)

by Jai Maharaj

(Excerpts from a feature article)

  The largest democracy in the world, Bharat (or India,
as foreigners named it), occupies the largest part of
the south Asian subcontinent.

  When the country of nearly a billion people elected a
conservative and benevolent political party to form a
government last month, it was maneuvered out by a
leftist-communist alliance of opposition members.

  They installed a prime minister who seems to care only
about the profits of multinational corporations while
placing the health interests of people at jeopardy.

  Prime Minister H. D. Deve Gowda's cabinet has
announced through its agricultural minister that about
230 million acres of rain forest will be destroyed to
convert it into a state of "utilization."

  Gowda was the chief minister of the state of Karnataka
when he aided the invasion by foreign junk-food chains
such as Kentucky Fried Chicken to establish their
franchise in what is the free world's largest consumer
market.

  It has been shown that the flesh sold by such
establishments is laced with neurotoxins like MSG to
make it palatable as food.

  Multinational junk-food chains are a threat to any
country's agriculture and environment.  The destruction
of rain forests to clear land for the purpose of feeding
animals promotes one of the least efficient methods of
food production.

  Citing research conducted by the American Society of
Agricultural Engineers, wrote Pulitzer Prize-nominee
John Robbins in his book DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA:

  "Agricultural engineers at Ohio State University
compared the energy costs of producing poultry, pork an
other meats with the energy costs of producing soybeans,
corn and other plant foods.

  "They found that even the *least* efficient plant food
is nearly *ten times* as efficient as the *most* energy
efficient animal food.

  "Even the best of animal enterprises examined returns
only 34.5% of the investment of fossil energy to
us in food energy, whereas the poorest of the five
crop enterprises examined returns 328%."

  Oddly, the present effort to turn Bharat's green land
into desert is being sold by the government as a "green
revolution."

  Pradip Sethi <nonas@batelco.com.bh> summed up the
situation this way in a discussion on the Internet:

  "Devgoda (is that how is name is spelt?) will be a
disgrace to any Indian with an iota of intellect. . . .
He, at best, will turn out to be puppet with strings in
the hands of dacoits, crooks, ex-Maharajas,
industrialists and mafias. . . . God help India!"

  A reading list of valuable sources:

  Robbins, John DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA, Stillpoint,
1991.
  Caulfield, Catherine, "A Reporter at Large: The Rain
Forests," THE NEW YORKER, January 14, 1985.
  Parsons, James J., "The Scourge of Cows," WHOLE EARTH
REVIEW, Spring 1988.
  Rifkin, Jeremy, BIOSPHERE POLITICS: A NEW
CONSCIOUSNESS FOR A NEW CENTURY, Crown, New York, 1991.
  Rifkin, Jeremy, BEYOND BEEF: THE RISE AND FALL OF THE
CATTLE CULTURE, Dutton, New York, 1992.

Jai Maharaj
Creator of newsgroups alt.jyotish, alt.language.hindi, alt.religion.hindu
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Romanise - 13 Jan 2004 11:04 GMT
usenet@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote
>    Prime Minister H. D. Deve Gowda's cabinet has
> announced through its agricultural minister that about
> 230 million acres of rain forest will be destroyed to
> convert it into a state of "utilization."

Deve Gowda though originally from Congres Party was disliked by
Indira's ramnants and had to vacate for I K Gujaral.

Donr know what state of "utilization" he had in mind but most of
forest cover of India was reduced as cooking fuel. Since LPG has
become common some forests have reappeared.
Dr. Jai Maharaj - 09 Jan 2004 18:46 GMT
In article <dcef526a.0401090921.1ed2971d@posting.google.com>,
dmjoshi@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) posted:
> If humans stop eating flesh how much of earth
> can be returned to forest cover?

I posted the following in 1995:

[ Subject: Re: Should I let my SO eat meat???
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995

In article <3ka4q7$gdk@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu>,
siona@krypton.mankato.msus.edu (Camille Klein) wrote:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> of them come from tropical rain forests.  Meat-eaters hurt
>> everyone.

> cattle ranchers are not the sole cause . . .
>    -  Camille Klein <siona@krypton.mankato.msus.edu>

The Meat Habit Kills Our Rainforests:

    To support the meat-eating habit, nowhere has the environmental
effect of cattle raising been more profound on both land and people
than in Brazil.

    Between 1966 and 1983, nearly 40,000 square miles of the Amazon
forest were cleared for commercial development.  The Brazilian
government estimated that 38 percent of all rainforest destroyed
during that period was attributable to large-scale cattle
developments.  Today, millions of cattle are grazing on the cleared
area of the Amazon.  So vicious is America's beef habit.

    The tragic irony is that the land being cleared and  enclosed
is poorly suited for grazing.  The soil base in a tropical ecosystem
is extremely thin and contains very few nutrients. These ancient
ecosystems exist in a climax state, quickly recycling energy back
from roots to canopy with very little allowed  to remain on  the
forest floor.  After just a few years of grazing  --  generally
three to five -- the soil is depleted, forcing the cattle ranchers
to clear more virgin land.

     - Caulfield, Catherine, "A Reporter at Large: The Rain
         Forests" NEW YORKER, January 14, 1985, page 49.
     - Parsons, James J., "The Scourge of Cows"
         WHOLE EARTH REVIEW, Spring 1988, page 44.
     - Rifkin, Jeremy, "BIOSPHERE POLITICS: A New Consciousness
         for a New Century," Crown, N.Y., 1991, page 51.
     - Rifkin, Jeremy, "BEYOND BEEF: The Rise and Fall of the
         Cattle Culture," Dutton, N.Y., 1992, page 195.

The Meat Habit Kills Our Supply of Medicines:

     Cattle-grazing is destroying the rain forests.  Most Americans
are so indoctrinated in the marvels of the petrochemical and
plastics revolution that they are unaware of how much they rely on
plants, many of them from tropical rain forests, to serve their
daily needs.

    Nearly a quarter of all medications and pharmaceuticals are
derived from tropical plants.  Seventy percent of the plants
identified by the National Cancer Institute as having anticancer
properties come from the tropical rain forests.

    Many kinds of surgical procedures depend on the bark of the
South American curare liana plants.  D-turbo turbocurarine and
other alkaloids derived from different species of the Chondodendron
and Strychnos genera are used are used to relax skeletal muscles
during delicate surgical operations.

    Steroid hormones like cortisone and diosgenin, the active
ingredients in birth-control pills, are derived from tropical
species of wild yams found in Guatemala and Mexico.

    Natural latexes, rubbers, resins, gums, dyes, waxes and oils
from tropical plants are used in industrial materials and as
chemical bases for consumer products ranging from lipstick and
deodorant to cellophane and furniture varnish.

    Still, despite the enormity of the potential biological losses,
multinational corporations, national governments, and local
ranchers continue their relentless assault on the rain forest,
bulldozing, clear-cutting, and burning acre after acre of the
richest biomass in the world, destroying millions of years of
evolutionary development.

     - Meyers, Norman, THE PRIMARY SOURCE,
         W.W. Norton, N.Y., 1983, pages 7, 8.
     - Rifkin, Jeremy, "BEYOND BEEF: The Rise and Fall of the
         Cattle Culture," Dutton, N.Y., 1992, pages 197, 198.
     - Caulfield, Catherine, "A Reporter at Large: The Rain
         Forests," NEW YORKER, January 14, 1985, pp. 59-61.

Jai Maharaj
Creator of newsgroups alt.jyotish, alt.language.hindi, alt.religion.hindu
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Romanise - 13 Jan 2004 07:02 GMT
>  dmjoshi@lycos.co.uk (Romanise) posted:
> > If humans stop eating flesh how much of earth
> > can be returned to forest cover?
> usenet@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote i
> I posted the following in 1995:

As far as India goes I dont know how far back cattle was raise for its
flesh. Only old cattle went to slaughterhouse. From some areas like
Gujarat male buffalo may have gone to slaughter house as small calf
because in Gujarat they were rarely used as draught animals. Male cow
calfs may have joined male buffalo calfs with mechanisation of
agriculture particularly drawing water from wells.
harmony - 09 Jan 2004 22:35 GMT
I want Bush and Ashcroft to declare that beef eating is a sin. There is no
other way to make america healthy and propserous.

> Must see -
>
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> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
Dr. Jai Maharaj - 09 Jan 2004 23:22 GMT
In article <vvub5i8pkap61a@corp.supernews.com>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

> I want Bush and Ashcroft to declare that beef eating is a sin. There is no
> other way to make america healthy and propserous.

Visit the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
web site for excellent food recommendations:

http://www.pcrm.org

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

> > Must see -
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
doobieyeswon - 10 Jan 2004 05:31 GMT
> In article <vvub5i8pkap61a@corp.supernews.com>,
>  "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > Om Shanti

You know Jai, I have been following posts and have been agreeing with
a lot of things you had to say until now.  I will NEVER abandon yummy
cow flesh.  EVER!!!  Good job with alienating yet another red-blooded
American.
PF Riley - 10 Jan 2004 05:18 GMT
>Must see -
>
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>
>http://www.pcrm.org

I love animals...

They're delicious!

PF
Jeff - 10 Jan 2004 06:00 GMT
The first one is a horrible site with much misinformation. It is maintained
by a bunch of idiots (PETA).

Jeff
Rich Andrews - 12 Jan 2004 16:24 GMT
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bto4b0
$75h@library2.airnews.net:

> The first one is a horrible site with much misinformation. It is maintained
> by a bunch of idiots (PETA).
>
> Jeff

I really liked their letter to Saddam about the donkey bearing explosives.

http://www.peta.org/feat/arafat

I think we should ask peta members to volumteer to deliver bombs.
r

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