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Any home kit to measure the mercury content in food?
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MM22 - 11 Jan 2004 04:46 GMT My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to measure dangerous levels of mercury content in fish?
Henry Boyter - 11 Jan 2004 05:10 GMT No, there is no home kit / easy way for the low levels of mercury involved. You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose of testing.
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> My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content > in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to > measure dangerous levels of mercury content in fish? PF Riley - 11 Jan 2004 05:51 GMT >You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose >of testing. Not really. One could grind up a representative sample and eat the rest.
PF
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 11 Jan 2004 11:00 GMT Henry!
I guess you do not like fishburger or fishburger quarterpounder widda cheese ............
>No, there is no home kit / easy way for the low levels of mercury involved. >You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose >of testing.
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 11 Jan 2004 11:56 GMT Two all-fish patties, special sauce, pickles, lettuce, tomato, on a sesame seed bun ........
>No, there is no home kit / easy way for the low levels of mercury involved. >You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose >of testing.
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madiba - 12 Jan 2004 20:48 GMT > No, there is no home kit / easy way for the low levels of mercury involved. > You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose > of testing. OK, what about an ingredient to add to the fish dish to neutralize or bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form of a spice? Big market for this..
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 13 Jan 2004 12:27 GMT Would that be cilentro? But you have to gargle with it and spit it out ......... I guess .........
>> No, there is no home kit / easy way for the low levels of mercury involved. >> You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form of >a spice? Big market for this..
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madiba - 13 Jan 2004 15:49 GMT > Would that be cilentro? But you have to gargle with it and spit it out > ......... I guess ......... Actually I was hoping someone from the sci.chem. NG would reply, with a real answer. Not someone like you, who finds poisoned food something to joke about..
> >> No, there is no home kit / easy way for the low levels of mercury involved. > >> You also have to grind up the fish. Kind of defeats the purpose [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form of > >a spice? Big market for this..
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 13 Jan 2004 16:56 GMT Yup poisoned food should be avoided ... aresenic, stuff like that ,,,,,,,,,,, amalgam? Nope.
>> Would that be cilentro? But you have to gargle with it and spit it out >> ......... I guess ......... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form of >> >a spice? Big market for this..
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madiba - 13 Jan 2004 23:05 GMT You're totally fixated on amalgam, I suppose thats normal when one has unloaded tons of the stuff into 1000s of mouths.. We were talking about methylmercury in fish, no need for a bad conscience this time.
> Yup poisoned food should be avoided ... aresenic, stuff like that > ,,,,,,,,,,, amalgam? Nope. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >real answer. Not someone like you, who finds poisoned food something to > >joke about..
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madiba - 13 Jan 2004 23:52 GMT As Mark has so subtley pointed out cilantro is an option in detoxifying methylmercury. My apologies Joel, I'm not a naturopath so I'm not familiar with these remedies. If you hadn't made a joke out of it (the gargling bit -or did you mean that?) I would have looked into it. Cilantro seems to mobilize methylmercury in the brain and move it out, but other herbs are needed to bind it in the gut and get it out of the body. But still, who would have thought that good old coriander had these properties?
> Yup poisoned food should be avoided ... aresenic, stuff like that > ,,,,,,,,,,, amalgam? Nope. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >> >bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form > >> >of a spice? Big market for this..
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 14 Jan 2004 13:09 GMT >As Mark has so subtley pointed out cilantro is an option in detoxifying >methylmercury. My apologies Joel, I'm not a naturopath so I'm not >familiar with these remedies. If you hadn't made a joke out of it (the >gargling bit -or did you mean that?) You cannot gargle with cilentro,,,, as the cannot gargle with Quaker Oats.
> I would have looked into it. >Cilantro seems to mobilize methylmercury in the brain and move it out, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> >bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form >> >> >of a spice? Big market for this..
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bob - 13 Jan 2004 21:35 GMT > > Would that be cilentro? But you have to gargle with it and spit it out > > ......... I guess ......... > > Actually I was hoping someone from the sci.chem. NG would reply, with a > real answer. Not someone like you, who finds poisoned food something to > joke about.. What's your opinion of jokes that relate to things that cause death as a topic in general?
Myocardial infarction jokes? Stroke jokes (no double entendre intended)? Murder jokes? Suicide jokes?
Feel free to expand the list.
Now, where can I get me some of those peas? We're having a dinner pary next week ...
Mark Tarka - 13 Jan 2004 22:09 GMT > > Would that be cilentro? But you have to gargle with it and spit it out > > ......... I guess ......... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > >bind the methylmercury? Milk products maybe? Something in the form of > > >a spice? Big market for this.. GOOGLE: cilantro mercury ~3430 hits
Mark (How 'bout a big vat of mercury, hot enough to grill some prions...that'd draw a crowd :-)
madiba - 13 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT > down@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote in message news:... > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > GOOGLE: cilantro mercury ~3430 hits Well, if a chemist says so you gotta believe it! :-/
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 11 Jan 2004 10:59 GMT Its best to stick a meat thermometer into the raw fish. If it does not move then the fish is safe - as per FDA guidelines.
Joel
>My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content >in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to >measure dangerous levels of mercury content in fish?
 Signature Joel M. Eichen, . Philadelphia PA
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amanda - 12 Jan 2004 07:09 GMT > My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content > in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to > measure dangerous levels of mercury content in fish? That prompted me to ask this: In this particular store grocery, they put a label on Salmon saying that *color added*. I never When I inquired about it, the guy said ..."Oh ..they were fed carrot or something like that." I didn't believe him but didn't ask any other employee there.
Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon?
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 12 Jan 2004 11:56 GMT >> My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content >> in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >something like that." I didn't believe him but didn't ask any other >employee there. REPLY:
This may not be so. I tried fishing once with a carrot tied on the end of my pole, but I got no bites.
(A couple of donkeys came by though and looked interested.)
>Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon?
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Mark Tarka - 12 Jan 2004 16:01 GMT > >> My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content > >> in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > >Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon? Joel...fess up. When are you people going to admit, that mercury, like beer, is an essential vitamin without which no man can live.
Mark
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 12 Jan 2004 17:19 GMT Good one!
I must admit I was looking for the buzzline .....
"What's this got to do with beer?"
>> >> My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content >> >> in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Mark
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Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jan 2004 14:12 GMT >>My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content >>in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon? Waldbaums' label on their salmon reads "color enhanced through feed". Maybe they feed them Man Tan?
Steve
Martin Pot - 12 Jan 2004 14:35 GMT >> My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content >> in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon? The fish are fed Phaffia rhodozyma biomass. This yeast contains high concentrations of the carotenoid astaxanthin.
Why are flamingos pink? Maybe because they eat red pond scum, rife with yeasts like Phaffia?
Hope this helps, --- Martin Pot (pot@xs4all.nl)
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 12 Jan 2004 17:21 GMT Thanks!
Jan Drew's posts always appear pink on my monitor ...... I bet it has to do with pond scum also!
Joel
>Why are flamingos pink? Maybe because they eat red pond scum, >rife with yeasts like Phaffia? > >Hope this helps, >--- >Martin Pot (pot@xs4all.nl)
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Mark Thorson - 12 Jan 2004 20:24 GMT > The fish are fed Phaffia rhodozyma biomass. This yeast contains high > concentrations of the carotenoid astaxanthin. They can be, however other sources of astaxanthin are also used, such as _Haematococcus_ algae and waste from shrimp processing plants. There is also synthetic astaxanthin. Recently, a test has been developed which can distinguish between the meat of fish that have eaten astaxanthin from natural sources which consists of a single optical isomer and synthetic astaxanthin which consists of a racemic mixture.
Mark Thorson - 12 Jan 2004 20:29 GMT > Recently, a test has been developed which can distinguish > between the meat of fish that have eaten astaxanthin from > natural sources which consists of a single optical isomer > and synthetic astaxanthin which consists of a racemic mixture. My explanation was slightly incorrect. There's more than one isomer, and the composition of natural vs. synthetic is not as simple as I implied. For more information, go here:
http://www.aquasearch.com/astax-2.htm#nature
bob - 12 Jan 2004 15:44 GMT > > My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content > > in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon? They feed them a naturally occuring carotenoid called Canthaxanthin. Some people are concerned about this.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. - 12 Jan 2004 17:22 GMT How do they get the fish to chew their carrots? Do they serve them with a nice Hollandaise sauce?
>> > My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content >> > in fish I am wondering if there is a reasonably quick and easy way to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >They feed them a naturally occuring carotenoid called Canthaxanthin. >Some people are concerned about this.
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Michael Moroney - 12 Jan 2004 18:51 GMT >> That prompted me to ask this: In this particular store grocery, they >> put a label on Salmon saying that *color added*. I never When I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Does any one know about this color thing on Salmon?
>They feed them a naturally occuring carotenoid called Canthaxanthin. >Some people are concerned about this. Sounds like Purdue chicken commercials where they boasted that they feed their chickens marigold flowers to get a nicer yellow color.
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madiba - 12 Jan 2004 20:48 GMT > > MM22@noname.com (MM22) wrote in message news... > > > My family likes to eat fish. With all this talk about mercury content [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > They feed them a naturally occuring carotenoid called Canthaxanthin. > Some people are concerned about this. The reason given was because it collects in the eyeball. (seriously) This could make you an optimist because its like permanently seeing the world thru pink spectacles. :-/
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