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Medical Forum / General / General / February 2008Drastic Reduction In ESR
"ESR blood test has been used for many years to help diagnose conditions associated with acute and chronic inflammations, including infections, cancers and autoimmune diseases." "Never witnessed such a drastic reduction, in such a short time" http://www.cuppingtherapy.co.uk/19103.html There was however, with almost every case, one major alteration, and that was the reduction in ESR (Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate) levels. This reduction in the ESR was by far the most significant outcome of this trial. According to the biochemist (with 15 years of experience) he has "never witnessed such a drastic reduction, in such a short time, even with patients on strong medications". During this trial the highest drop in the ESR level was 175%, and the lowest drop recorded was 15%. What is ESR? (Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate) "ESR blood test is an easy, inexpensive, non-specific test that has been used for many years to help diagnose conditions associated with acute and chronic inflammations, including infections, cancers and autoimmune diseases. ESR is said to be non-specific because increases do not tell the doctor exactly where the inflammation is in your body or what is causing it. Often used in conjunction with other tests. ESR is helpful in diagnosing two specific inflammatory diseases, temporal arteritis and polymyalgia rheumatica. A high ESR is one of the main test results used to confirm the diagnosis. It is also used to monitor disease activity and response to therapy in both of these diseases. Moderately elevated ESR occurs with inflammation, but also with anaemia, infection, pregnancy, and old age. A rising ESR can mean an increase in inflammation or poor response to a therapy; decreasing ESR can mean a good response." Taken from Lab Tests Online, a public resource on clinical lab testing. According to the above article, a drop in the ESR level is indicative of a Positive response to therapy and the opposite is true when the ESR level is on the increase. Although my study shows a clear picture of reduction in ESR levels, it is by far too small a trial to claim a major find! I therefore, urge colleagues and doctors in particular the immunologists to investigate further. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > "ESR blood test has been used for many years to help diagnose > conditions associated with acute and chronic inflammations, including [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Is there a blood test, to test for ironjustice mental illness? > There was however, with almost every case, one major alteration, and > that was the reduction in ESR (Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate) levels. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > highest drop in the ESR level was 175%, and the lowest drop recorded > was 15%. Let's say for example that the patient's ESR is 10 mm/hr. 175% of that is 17.5mm/hr. So after treatment the ESR is -7.5mm/hr. So the therapy gives the erythrocytes some ant-gravity properties? I know....... don't feed the trolls........ On Feb 7, 10:38 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: So after treatment the ESR is -7.5mm/hr. << Sooo .. you seem to think you are good at .. math .. ? Maybe THAT is your .. forte .. ? Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > There was however, with almost every case, one major alteration, and > > that was the reduction in ESR (Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate) levels. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I know....... don't feed the trolls........ On Feb 7, 10:38 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: So after treatment the ESR is -7.5mm/hr. << Sooo .. you seem to think you are good at .. math .. ? Maybe THAT is your .. forte .. ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funny you should mention that Tom - as a matter of fact I was awarded a BA in mathematics in 1995. Straight question - if an ESR is 10 mm/hr is reduced by 175%, what does it become? Straight question - if anESRis 10 mm/hr is reduced by 175%, what does it become? << It becomes about the ONLY question you might be able to answer in a .. medical .. group. And ONLY when YOU get to make the question .. up. Because .. ? Nobody .. anywhere .. said .. "the ESR of 10mm/hr was lowered by 175%" What it DID say was .. "Never witnessed such a drastic reduction, in such a short time. According to the biochemist (with 15 years of experience) " That would be pertinent .. TO a .. **medical** newsgroup .. the biochemist .. bit. Your .. math .. award .. doesn't .. pertain TO .. a .. **medical** newsgroup. You believe your math .. award .. pertains to a .. medical .. newsgroup .. ? It doesn't .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Feb 8, 10:22 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: Straight question - if anESRis 10 mm/hr is reduced by 175%, what does it become? << It becomes about the ONLY question you might be able to answer in a .. medical .. group. And ONLY when YOU get to make the question .. up. Because .. ? Nobody .. anywhere .. said .. "the ESR of 10mm/hr was lowered by 175%" What it DID say was .. "Never witnessed such a drastic reduction, in such a short time. According to the biochemist (with 15 years of experience) " ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoting verbatim from the original article " During this trial the highest drop in the ESR level was 175%" As an example to illustrate the fallacy inherent in the original article I chose a value of 10 mm/hr to make the numbers easier. But the actual numerical value is irrelevant. An ESR can't be lowered by more than 100%. Why not? - I guess that you'd need to know what an ESR was to understand why. AnESRcan't be lowered by more than 100%. Why not? - I guess that you'd need to know what anESRwas to understand why. << ANY .. **number** CAN be lowered by more than 100% .. math whiz .. Whether it BE .. medical or .. math .. Name one that can't .. It is a matter of WHAT the .. 100% .. **is** .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Feb 9, 12:04 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: AnESRcan't be lowered by more than 100%. Why not? - I guess that you'd need to know what anESRwas to understand why. << ANY .. **number** CAN be lowered by more than 100% .. math whiz .. Whether it BE .. medical or .. math .. Name one that can't .. It is a matter of WHAT the .. 100% .. **is** .. ___________________________________________________________________ Have a look at this article. http://www.pjms.com.pk/issues/aprjun06/article/cme.html Specifically the picture half way down http://www.pjms.com.pk/issues/aprjun06/fig_tab/esr_bottle.gif The ESR is the distance (in millimetres) that the red cells have fallen in one hour. It's measured from the top of the yellow layer of plasma to the top of thestart of the plasma with red cells in it. If an ES is reduced by 100%, the the result becomes zero, ie no sedimentation. Which isn't actually a good thing. For any ESR result to be lowered by more than 100%, rather than falling, the red cells would have to ascend above the initial level of the blood sample. Now I don't claim to have a nobel prize in medicine, but it strikes me that anti-gravity isn't a feature that many drugs impart to erythrocytes. Perhaps this one does? On Feb 14, 2:16 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:If an ES is reduced by 100% << That would be compared to .. ? Something .. ? It is a matter of WHAT the .. 100% .. **is** .. Compared to .. before .. ? Compared to someone ..normal .. ? Compared to monkeys .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > anti-gravity isn't a feature that many drugs impart to erythrocytes. Perhaps > this one does? On Feb 14, 2:16 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:If an ES is reduced by 100% << That would be compared to .. ? Something .. ? It is a matter of WHAT the .. 100% .. **is** .. Compared to .. before .. ? Compared to someone ..normal .. ? Compared to monkeys .. ? ________________________________________________________________________________ Come on Tom - this paper's wrong. They are making claims that are seemingly physically possible. Time to give up and misunderstand something else.. > On Feb 14, 2:16 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:If an ES > is reduced by 100% << [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Come on Tom - this paper's wrong. They are making claims that are > seemingly physically possible. Woops - should have written "impossible" - I made a mistake there - something for you to latch on to :o) On Feb 15, 12:42 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: They are making claims that are seemingly physically "impossible" << Actually the first post .. EMPHASIZED .. the **important** .. salient .. POINT .. "Never witnessed such a drastic reduction, in such a short time" ESR reduction mirrors .. reduction of .. ? .. pain .. ? .. inflammation .. ? Either or both of those .. good enough for ya .. medical guy .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Obviously .. not .. > > <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message > >news:9f2822a8-6e35-4fa8-95c2-c9b7d4dd5324@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Feb 15, 12:42 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: They are making claims that are seemingly physically "impossible" << Actually the first post .. EMPHASIZED .. the **important** .. salient .. POINT .. "Never witnessed such a drastic reduction, in such a short time" ESR reduction mirrors .. reduction of .. ? .. pain .. ? .. inflammation .. ? Either or both of those .. good enough for ya .. medical guy .. ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those are "good enough", but that's not what the article actually claimed, was it? It claimed a reduction which is physically impossible. The authors are unaware of the basics of what must be the most basic of blood tests, which must cast doubt on the whole sorry paper. |
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