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Bruno Panetta - 05 Feb 2008 21:17 GMT
Is it true that if an antibiotic is not taken regularly it stops being
effective for that person, even at a distance of months or years? i.e.
if the doctor prescribes you an antibiotic and you forget to take it
several times, then that medication will never work as well for you
again?
Jeff - 05 Feb 2008 22:31 GMT
> Is it true that if an antibiotic is not taken regularly it stops being
> effective for that person, even at a distance of months or years? i.e.
> if the doctor prescribes you an antibiotic and you forget to take it
> several times, then that medication will never work as well for you
> again?

The problem is that if you don't take your full course, the bacteria are
more likely to become resistant to the bacteria. If the resistant
bacteria are not causing the next infection, the antibiotic will work as
well as before. If the resistant bacteria are causing the infection,
then antibiotics might not be as effective. One unfortunate thing is
that bacteria which become antibiotic to one antibiotic may be resistant
to unrelated antibiotics.

How effective the antibiotic will be depends on how long ago the
infection was, what antibiotic it was, where the new infection is, and
whether or not the bacteria became resistant to your antibiotic.

Jeff
Bruno Panetta - 06 Feb 2008 08:27 GMT
Hi Jeff, thanks for the information. What do you mean by "not taking
the full course"? Do you mean, for example, if someone is prescribed
an antibiotic for 2 weeks but only takes it for a couple of days? Or
someone who does take it for three weeks but forgets it a few times?
Andrew Porter - 06 Feb 2008 08:55 GMT
> Hi Jeff, thanks for the information. What do you mean by "not taking
> the full course"? Do you mean, for example, if someone is prescribed
> an antibiotic for 2 weeks but only takes it for a couple of days? Or
> someone who does take it for three weeks but forgets it a few times?

I would think that both the amount of medication taken, and how
quickly it is taken, would affect how likely it is for bacteria to
develop resistance.  This is because both time and regularity of dose
affect the level of antibiotic in the body - if you take only a couple
of days of medication, you'd get a high level for a short time -
killing off the non-resistant bacteria, but allowing any resistant
bacteria to survive and become the dominant type.  If you take the
dose over a longer course of time, any bacteria with resistance genes
would have a selective advantage in the environment of a low dose of
antibiotic.  Therefore, take the dose prescribed and follow the dosage
instructions.

The genes for resistance are often stored in a separate bit of DNA
from the bacteria's genome.  They cost energy to replicate, so
bacteria that have resistance genes will grow slower than those
without.  They cost energy to use making resistant bacteria less
efficient compared to non-resistant.  Throw an antibiotic into the
mix, and those resistant bacteria now have an advantage that offsets
the cost of carrying those genes, and so they have a chance to become
the dominant type.  They can also share genes with other types of
bacteria, which is how we have strains that are resistant to multiple
antibiotics at the same time.  Hit them with a high enough dose right
at the start, and you may well kill them all off, in spite of the
resistance genes.

Another factor is how quickly your body clears a drug.  Your liver
recognises certain compounds for removal and deactivation, and many of
our drugs fall into this category.  In the same way that a caffeine
addict needs to drink more coffee to get the same hit as time goes by,
so our bodies become more efficient at clearing drugs from our system
the more we take of them.   Patients with chronic pain need
increasingly higher doses of morphine, and some go up to doses that
would kill someone never exposed to the drug before.  A similar
mechanism operates with antibiotics, but exactly how much this would
contribute to an antibiotic not being effective I don't have any
specific data.

Andrew Porter
Jeff - 07 Feb 2008 03:31 GMT
> Hi Jeff, thanks for the information. What do you mean by "not taking
> the full course"? Do you mean, for example, if someone is prescribed
> an antibiotic for 2 weeks but only takes it for a couple of days? Or
> someone who does take it for three weeks but forgets it a few times?

Not taking it for the full two weeks (e.g., taking it for only two
days). Forgetting a few times won't have as much effect as taking it
only two days.

Jeff
habshi - 06 Feb 2008 23:59 GMT
    The best way is to take it for a couple of days , then the
body takes over and finishes off the bugs

Is it true that if an antibiotic is not taken regularly it stops being
effective for that person, even at a distance of months or years? i.e.
if the doctor prescribes you an antibiotic and you forget to take it
several times, then that medication will never work as well for you
again?
Jeff - 07 Feb 2008 03:29 GMT
>     The best way is to take it for a couple of days , then the
> body takes over and finishes off the bugs

The best way is to follow the doctor's instructions, not some guy you
don't know on the internet.

Jeff

> Is it true that if an antibiotic is not taken regularly it stops being
> effective for that person, even at a distance of months or years? i.e.
> if the doctor prescribes you an antibiotic and you forget to take it
> several times, then that medication will never work as well for you
> again?
Andrew Porter - 07 Feb 2008 12:26 GMT
>         The best way is to take it for a couple of days , then the
> body takes over and finishes off the bugs

Um, did you miss my post?  Exposing bacteria to small amounts of
antibiotic creates exactly the right environment for creating
resistant strains.  Follow the doctor's/pharmacists instructions.

Incidentally, antibiotics have to work with the body's immune system
to be effective; those on immune-suppressive treatments or with
depleted immunity as a result of diseases such as AIDS are very
vulnerable to infection, and to serious illness and even death as a
result, even when treated with antibiotics.  So your body plays a key
role in clearing infection, and works in synergy with the drugs.  So
if you're into holistic medicine etc, then you don't need to feel bad
about taking antibiotics, your body is still very important in
fighting disease.
habshi - 08 Feb 2008 00:21 GMT
    Those who tell you to finish the course of antibiotics are
saying it without any evidence base .
    Ask any doctor . None of them take antibiotics for more than
two days at a time , and inspite of being exposed to so many bugs all
day they remain healthy.
    If they finished the course , they would kill off a lot of
good bugs and fall ill all the time.
Jeff - 08 Feb 2008 00:27 GMT
>     Those who tell you to finish the course of antibiotics are
> saying it without any evidence base .

What is your evidence base?

>     Ask any doctor . None of them take antibiotics for more than
> two days at a time , and inspite of being exposed to so many bugs all
> day they remain healthy.

Really? I am a doctor and always finish my course of antibiotics.

>     If they finished the course , they would kill off a lot of
> good bugs and fall ill all the time.

What is your evidence base for this?

Jeff
 
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