Medical Forum / General / General / December 2007
The Holocaust: Emaciated bodies + Piles of shaved hair + Zyklon B flea powder = .....?
|
|
Thread rating:  |
YTR - 19 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT In the Nazi concentration camps were found Zyklon B canisters (flea powder), piles of human hair and thousands of emaciated corpses. The Nazis never did kill millions of Jews in gas chambers. So what actually happened to those people? Find out today, watch:
Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at the Holocaust and WWII http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767720579270487357
googley goo - 20 Dec 2007 17:32 GMT > In the Nazi concentration camps were found Zyklon B canisters (flea > powder), piles of human hair and thousands of emaciated corpses. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at the Holocaust and > WWIIhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=27677205792 70487357 I highly recommend you read the book 'into this darkness' by gitta sereny. I also suggest you read rudolph hoss' autobiography. for starters.
the genocide against the european jews happened. as a solution for the mental disease I call 'jewish madness' it was not the best. jews need psychotherapy, compassion, understanding, and in extreme cases treatment in mental hospitals for their obsolete, racist tribal beliefs. killing them or persecuting them only reinforces their exclusive behavior and adds to the requiem of laments which now forms the basis of their insane system. 2000 years of discrimination will do that. if 2000 years of burning and executing them doesn't work, maybe it's time for a different approach?
right now the racist orthodox jews are under great pressure. in israel, a demographic imbalance is threatening to reduce the jews to minority status in 30 years. in america, many jews are disregarding the racist dictums against marrying non jews. Across the board, all jewish populations have very low birth rates and the highest incidence of homosexuality in the western world.
the american jews have experienced a higher level of tolerance than at any country at any time in their history. the jewish supremacists are desperately trying to generate antisemitism. antisemitism is the core driving force behind the jew's separatism. every time you, as a non jew, experience the desire to attack the jews, especially by stupidly denying something that obviously happened, you are strengthening the racist elements of judaism and reducing the chance that the american jews will continue to assimilate into the population. I know you hate them and understand why, but please understand that the best method of eliminating the racist and undesirable elements of judaism is by embracing them. the more you hate the jews the more you strengthen their cause.
as a christian, you should love your neighbor. love the jews. love them until they realize how dumb their beliefs really are. love them until they realize that the revelation of God is for all humanity and not just for a bunch of goatherders, pimps, and cattle merchants from palestine. love them until they learn to separate racism from their religion.
Stubby Elvis - 20 Dec 2007 22:16 GMT f.ck reading the book.
i highly recomend that you listen to the first hand accounts of the polish grandparents of my best friend.
someday, you will be held accountable for your false witness . my guess is that murderous coke dealers will fare better than you on judgement day.
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 01:22 GMT > f.ck reading the book. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > guess is that murderous coke dealers will fare better than you on > judgement day. the reason I recommended that particular book was that it is basically a 300 page interview with franz stangl who was the commandant of treblinka. he was arrested in brazil in the 1960's and returned to germany for trial. the author corroborates stangl with numerous interviews with prison guards, survivors, highly placed ex nazis, etc. AFAIK, there are only two first person accounts by death camp commanders, this book and the hoss book. more jews died at treblinka btw than at auschwitz.
BTW, the referenced video fails to mention the death camps...there were 4 in poland...and seems to focus on concentration camps. there was a huge difference. the death camps existed only to gas jews and gypsies. jews in concentration camps...except at auschwitz and madjanek...were simply at a way station prior to gassing.
I just don't see how anyone can deny the holocaust no matter their hatred. it is basically a testimony of stupidity and instantly destroys credibility. judaism can be heavily criticized especially for its racist tenets, but if you deny the holocaust you lose people.
the stangl book offers facinating insights into human psychology within the context of extreme conditions. some of the jewish survivors {they worked at the camp} describe their excitement on learning that a new transport was from western europe as opposed to eastern europe {western transports were rich jews who carried lots of food and money that sustained the work jews}. you'll find commentary by jews on how fat bodies burn slowly as opposed to skinny ones. stangl himself describes becoming used to the situation and how under these conditions a person begins to regard the transport jews as cargo or cattle and not people.
finally, zyklon B, which is cyanide gas, was only used at auschwitz. the other camps used carbon monoxide generated by UBOAT engines. John Demanjuk was accused of being 'Ivan' the russian guard at treblinka who ran the engine.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 02:10 GMT >> finally, zyklon B, which is cyanide gas, was only used at auschwitz. > the other camps used carbon monoxide generated by UBOAT engines. John > Demanjuk was accused of being 'Ivan' the russian guard at treblinka > who ran the engine. Well, I suppose these bureaucratic details and distinctions are interesting...(if you are a former member of the SS and are sitting around with your pals in some beerhall talking 'good times')...
...but you seem to be missing the BIG PICTURE type point here (as usual)...
...the simple respect and tolerance for the viewpoints of others...(as reflected here):
"Love them until they realize how dumb their beliefs really are".
Gee, junior...dunno what type of "Christian" philosophy you were raised with...but the little I got out of Sunday school...as I remember it (besides the dirty jokes we learned) stressed love and tolerance and respect...for everyone.
I don't remember the bits about how other peoples' faiths were 'dumb', myself.
I suppose you could say that this is the sort of intolerance that ultimately leads to Nazi-type states and solutions...don't you think?
Hmmmm?
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 15:18 GMT > >> finally, zyklon B, which is cyanide gas, was only used at auschwitz. > > the other camps used carbon monoxide generated by UBOAT engines. John [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Hmmmm? The Jewish religion especially that practiced by orthodox jews is obsolete. The holocaust and zionism set judaism back about 500 years. During the 19th century reform efforts were progressing well. but zionism and the holocaust brought it all to a halt.
Of the major world religions, only Judaism brings race into play by granting 'membership' by birthright or genetic relationship to a mother. This is a tribal belief which confuses and melds religion with bloodline.
If you have a jewish mother, it doesn't matter what you do. You are always considered a jew, regardless of belief system. If a nonjew wants to convert, the orthodox conversion process is set up to guarantee a very difficult process. Conversions can be revoked at any time. Someone born of a jewish mother can be a child molesting satanist and is still considered a jew.
and I don't know...but advocating love and compassion towards jews seems pretty tolerant to me. They and their talmud are largely defined by a 3000 year history of persecution. Judaism is like the dark side of the force. the more you hate it, the stronger it becomes.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 16:50 GMT > > I don't remember the bits about how other peoples' faiths were 'dumb', > > myself. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mother. This is a tribal belief which confuses and melds religion with > bloodline. Well, look...I sure as hell don't want to get into a religious debate with you...but I would point out that virtually every major world religion has a sort of ethnic (or even nationalist) component to it, and anyone who lives in an urban area with immigrant neighborhoods knows this. Tell me what ethnic group...and I will tell you the religion associated with it.
Mankind tends to make religion in his own image.
In other words, religions are, literally, "the faith of our fathers"...you are raised with your parent's and grandparent's faiths. You are a "Christian" most likely, because of the Emperor Constantine's conversion...otherwise, you would be running around an oak tree with a sprig of mistletoe...
Whether you are a Protestant or Catholic depends upon the events of the Reformation and how successful it was where your ancestors lived...and to some extent, the political events within the home country. All of it is "tribal" to some extent...
> and I don't know...but advocating love and compassion towards jews > seems pretty tolerant to me. Calling Judaism "dumb" seems incredibly "dumb" to me.
Hey...news flash...did you know that Christianity is a sect (some say a "cult") of Judaism? Did you ever hear that Jesus was a "Jew"...so were all the disciples? Shocking, I know.
So, by extension, is Christianity also "dumb"?
Fine...you don't care for what you understand to be the tenets of Judaism...but does that require you to label the faith of others as "dumb"? Is Buddhism also "dumb"? Don't you think that Christianity has enough of a bad rep as to its belligerent attempts to convert without your 'help'?
Don't you think that is a bit...confrontational and disrespectful? Do you think it is possible that it might be your lack of understanding that is causing you to say that these things are 'dumb'?
. Judaism is like the dark side
> of the force. LOL. No. You are way, way off there...the "Empire" is the dark side... (and the "Empire" is)?
PS. Hey...how do you make one of those grilled cheese sandwiches with Jesus' face on it?
First...spread the bread with "I Can't Believe it's not Buddha"...
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 17:48 GMT > > > I don't remember the bits about how other peoples' faiths were 'dumb', > > > myself. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > First...spread the bread with "I Can't Believe it's not Buddha"... actually, yes, christianity is dumb. however it is a major advance on judaism in that it disposes of the racist aspect and allows the revelation of God to be universal. a trait it shares with islam. in judaism, there is no evangelism. there is no attempt to spread the faith. there is no desire or motivation for the 'truths' of judaism to be universal; in fact, the talmud itself is very racist and contains many diatribes against non-jews.
it's true that people are born into religions, but a signal difference in judaism is that someone born to a jewish mother is always considered to be a jew. neither christianity nor other major religions concern themselves with who your mother or father was. the religion is separated from biological bloodlines. there is actually a major dispute in judaism over patrilineal versus matrilineal descent. in other words, if I have a jewish father but not a jewish mother, and I want to be jewish, I have to undergo an intensive conversion process {for orthodox}.{ thus, for orthodox jews, religion is not a 'faith of the father'.}
if I have a jewish mother and a non-jewish father, the same is not true. I can never attend synagogue in my life and immediately immigrate to israel. in fact this has happened for many russian jews who are not religious. many americans do not understand this very racial view of judaism by ashkenazis.
so whereas for most people religion is a psychological event, judaism forces itself upon its members also as a biological event. also as a nationalist movement.
don't take my word for it...there are dozens if not hundreds of genetic studies many by israeli scientists that attempt to establish genetic bloodlines for jews going back through the diaspora. if any other scientist attempted to do this for any other religion, especially for christianity, they would probably be persecuted. imagine if a group of southern baptists refused to marry outside their bloodlines and traced their lineage back to 1650 in Georgia, and were obsessed with proving that their DNA bore marked homology to the DNA of individuals currently living in Belgium. Then imagine them demanding a separate state in alabama. meanwhile a core group of them want to continue living in Chicago and maintain dual citizenship with the United States.
That is a pretty good analogy to zionist judaism.
in fact, much of today's research into jewish bloodlines and the attendent racial laws in israel bear a very strong resemblance to what we saw in nazi germany. it is only in these terms can the holocaust be understood. I don't support the holocaust, but judaism's racial, biological, and cultural exclusiveness makes the Jews a natural target for racists, since they themselves are very concerned with preserving their race.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 20:29 GMT > actually, yes, christianity is dumb. No...honestly...I would have to say that someone who says what you just said is "dumb".
> don't take my word for it... You needn't worry about that.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 20:34 GMT >> actually, yes, christianity is dumb. > I think that anyone who would say something like that is incredibly "dumb"...(whether or not they happen to agree or disagree with the sentiment).
> don't take my word for it... Don't worry about that. Won't happen.
googley goo - 23 Dec 2007 01:00 GMT > >> actually, yes, christianity is dumb. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don't worry about that. Won't happen. "Goyim. Anti-Semitism is a terrible thing and conversely, anti- Semitism has been the means of saving millions of Jews from assimilation. For if not for the rejection by the gentile of the Jew, how many others would have long disappeared form our midst? Was the Jew of Poland or Lithuania a better Jew than the assimilated and intermarried Jew of Germany and France? Or was he simply not "blessed" with the opportunity to behave similarly? What happened to cause so many Jews of Eastern Europe to drop a tradition of centuries and seize upon Bundism, and secular Zionism and communism when the opportunity presented itself? When the gentile behaved with any semblance of acceptance, the Jew leaped for joy, his religion falling off in midair. When faced with the implacable, hating, unaccepting goy, the Jew remained a Jew. Because he had no choice.
This is why millions of Jews, one generation form the Czar and pogroms, still retained a measure of the New Judaism. Because they also retained a measure of memory of the goy and because they still recalled the difference between them that the goy had insisted upon. But what happens when a child is born, free and unencumbered with memories? What happens when a young Jew is raised in an environment where, for the time being, history has allowed him never to know any meaningful anti-Semitism? What happens when he roams campuses filled with gentiles (pretty and handsome); freedom filled neighborhoods and employment, a world of his own that's uninhabited by hatred of the Jew? What happens when a whole generation grows up that does not know the goy? What happens? Why, the obvious. Not being forced to be a Jew, he does not remain one; not consciously, not actively, not caringly."
Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their hypocrisies welling inside of you.
BrentB - 23 Dec 2007 04:42 GMT > > >> actually, yes, christianity is dumb. > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their > hypocrisies welling inside of you. The hypocrisies are alive and well in all races not just the Jews. Interesting point in that "jewness" is not just race but also a religion...A tenuous thing that must be. That said, think about your comment "christianity is dumb" then your description of it being a "revelation of God". If you understand that all gospel is a revelation from God and brings wisdom how can it be dumb? nonetheless...good stuff.
the 3rd Man - 23 Dec 2007 21:23 GMT > Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their > hypocrisies welling inside of you. Kid...this is really supposed to be a Lyme disease board.
Don't you have any Jewish friends that you can talk to about these feelings you have? Maybe a Rabbi would consent to talk to you if you approached him properly.
I would suggest to you, however, that there might be a LOT that you do not understand...and that it might not be the best thing to do...to start out...to suggest that Christianity and/or Judaism are "dumb".
It's just really not a good way to get the discussion rolling...to insult people's belief systems...and them, at the same time.
Try to show some respect for the beliefs of others.
And...these are deeply allegorical...both the Old and new Testaments.
Are you quite certain that you understand all the meanings well enough to suggest that they are 'dumb'?
Gawd, I wish I was back in college and knew every damn thing again...
googley goo - 23 Dec 2007 22:03 GMT > > Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their > > hypocrisies welling inside of you. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Gawd, I wish I was back in college and knew every damn thing again... so...you're a reform jew, huh?
I didn't start this thread.
religion and especially insane religious extremism has become a limiting factor on the advancement of mankind. we need new religions and new ideas. no one with a functioning brain really believes that a bunch of sheepherders {jews, christians, muslims, whatever} received all these revelations from God. instead, all of this religious crap was used to justify various political movements and attempts at social control. monotheism was an interesting idea, I suppose. but 2000 years has passed! and even more in the instance of judaism. give it up!!! the messiah is not coming, Jesus was a political revolutionary who was probably insane, and mohammed was a nutcase who just wanted to control arabia and justify banging as many bitches as possible.
IMO the time has come to examine a new possibility: that there are infinite gods. not one god, not 3 gods, but an unlimited number of gods. everything in western civ over the past 2000 years has been based on the idea of 1 God. All major philosphers and scientists etc. were subjected to this belief system. even if they were or became atheists, it still has impacted their work.
what about a mathematical religion? perhaps we should worship numbers, like pythagoras. or even shapes...circles, squares, triangles. at this point I would be far more likely to attend a church of the holy circle than any other religious establishment.
the 3rd Man - 23 Dec 2007 23:51 GMT > so...you're a reform jew, huh? No, douchebag. Not a "Jew' or Jewish at all.
FYI...was raised as sort of a Methodist. Not particularly religious myself.
the 3rd Man - 24 Dec 2007 04:14 GMT > > what about a mathematical religion? perhaps we should worship numbers, > like pythagoras. Yes, well...this would seem to be a good example of what seems to be an excess of opinion on your part without a great deal of accompanying insight.
I think that it is more accurate to say that the Pythagoreans saw a symmetry, a harmony...a representation of the divine in the relationships of numbers...not that they "worshipped numbers".
You know, there is a quite a difference, some say, between knowledge and understanding...
googley goo - 24 Dec 2007 09:39 GMT > > > what about a mathematical religion? perhaps we should worship numbers, > > like pythagoras. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You know, there is a quite a difference, some say, between knowledge > and understanding... yes, I know that. The thing is, the word worship has many connotations. I decided to use it because it accurately conveyed the idea...that they revered numbers...in one word. additionally, the pythagoreans seem to have placed more importance on this form of divination than on other forms.
this is why I suggested a mathematical religion, worshipping numbers like pythagoreans. What I failed to take into account was your overly- anal propensity for trying to punch holes in my bulletproof facade.
in syracuse, the pythagoreans had a temple dedicated to the number 4. I think, for most people, this sort of thing would fall into the realm of 'worshipping numbers' when spoken of colloquially.
the 3rd Man - 24 Dec 2007 17:02 GMT > this is why I suggested a mathematical religion, worshipping numbers > like pythagoreans. What I failed to take into account was your overly- > anal propensity for trying to punch holes in my bulletproof facade. Facade, yes...'bulletproof'...hardly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreans
(Notice the origin of the word "mathematics").
> in syracuse, the pythagoreans had a temple dedicated to the number 4. > I think, for most people, this sort of thing would fall into the realm > of 'worshipping numbers' when spoken of colloquially.- Well, it would be largely misleading, though.
The "worship" would be of what the number four represented to them, symbolically.
Stubby Elvis - 20 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT my post was RE YTR. not you googley
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 15:22 GMT > my post was RE YTR. not you googley it's too late, I already pushed the self destruct button. better find an escape pod.
by the way, speaking of escape pods...why, in the original star wars movie, at the very beginning when princess leia's spaceship was sucked in by the star destroyer tractor beam, why were c3po and r2d2 able to escape in the pod? wouldn't the tractor beam keep that from happening?
the 3rd Man - 20 Dec 2007 23:12 GMT > as a christian, you should love your neighbor. Not that it really matters...but why do you think that this person (benefit of the doubt) is a "Christian"?
love the jews. love
> them until they realize how dumb their beliefs really are. Gosh n golly n gee whiz......them Jewish folks shore is damn lucky to have a smart redneckedy Okie like you'n a'workin this stuff all out for em...
...guess them thar Rabbi fellers kin jist sit down naow and rest themselfs...as you iz got it all figgerded out for em.
Ah betcha they never even figgered theirowndamnseffs that they wuz jist dumber then uh fencepost...shore nice uh you ta let em in on it.
(Seems to me...sure is odd what some seem to think passes in the name of "Christianity" sometimes)...
|
|
|