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The Holocaust: Emaciated bodies + Piles of shaved hair + Zyklon B     flea powder = .....?

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YTR - 19 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT
In the Nazi concentration camps were found Zyklon B canisters (flea
powder), piles of human hair and thousands of emaciated corpses. The
Nazis never did kill millions of Jews in gas chambers. So what
actually happened to those people? Find out today, watch:

Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at the Holocaust and
WWII
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767720579270487357
googley goo - 20 Dec 2007 17:32 GMT
> In the Nazi concentration camps were found Zyklon B canisters (flea
> powder), piles of human hair and thousands of emaciated corpses. The
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> Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at the Holocaust and
> WWIIhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=27677205792 70487357

I highly recommend you read the book 'into this darkness' by gitta
sereny. I also suggest you read rudolph hoss' autobiography. for
starters.

the genocide against the european jews happened. as a solution for the
mental disease I call 'jewish madness' it was not the best. jews need
psychotherapy, compassion, understanding, and  in extreme cases
treatment in mental hospitals for their obsolete, racist tribal
beliefs. killing them or persecuting them only reinforces their
exclusive behavior and adds to the requiem of laments which now forms
the basis of their insane system. 2000 years of discrimination will do
that. if 2000 years of burning and executing them doesn't work, maybe
it's time for a different approach?

right now the racist orthodox jews are under great pressure. in
israel, a demographic imbalance is threatening to reduce the jews to
minority status in 30 years. in america, many jews are disregarding
the racist dictums against marrying non jews. Across the board, all
jewish populations have very low birth rates and the highest incidence
of homosexuality in the western world.

the american jews have experienced a higher level of tolerance than at
any country at any time in their history. the jewish supremacists are
desperately trying to generate antisemitism. antisemitism is the core
driving force behind the jew's separatism. every time you, as a non
jew, experience the desire to attack the jews, especially by stupidly
denying something that obviously happened, you are strengthening the
racist elements of judaism and reducing the chance that the american
jews will continue to assimilate into the population. I know you  hate
them and understand why, but please understand that the best method of
eliminating the racist and undesirable elements of judaism is by
embracing them. the more you hate the jews the more you strengthen
their cause.

as a christian, you should love your neighbor. love the jews. love
them until they realize how dumb their beliefs really are. love them
until they realize that the revelation of God is for all humanity and
not just for a bunch of goatherders, pimps, and cattle merchants from
palestine. love them until they learn to separate racism from their
religion.
Stubby Elvis - 20 Dec 2007 22:16 GMT
f.ck reading the book.

i highly recomend that you listen to the first hand accounts of the
polish grandparents of my best friend.

someday, you will be held accountable for your false witness .  my
guess is that murderous coke dealers will fare better than you on
judgement day.
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 01:22 GMT
> f.ck reading the book.
>
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> guess is that murderous coke dealers will fare better than you on
> judgement day.

the reason I recommended that particular book was that it is basically
a 300 page interview with franz stangl who was the commandant of
treblinka. he was arrested in brazil in the 1960's and returned to
germany for trial. the author corroborates stangl with numerous
interviews with prison guards, survivors, highly placed ex nazis, etc.
AFAIK, there are only two first person accounts by death camp
commanders, this book and the hoss book. more jews died at treblinka
btw than at auschwitz.

BTW, the referenced video fails to mention the death camps...there
were 4 in poland...and seems to focus on concentration camps. there
was a huge difference. the death camps existed only to gas jews and
gypsies. jews in concentration camps...except at auschwitz and
madjanek...were simply at a way station prior to gassing.

I just don't see how anyone can deny the holocaust no matter their
hatred. it is basically a testimony of stupidity and instantly
destroys credibility. judaism can be heavily criticized especially for
its racist tenets, but if you deny the holocaust you lose people.

the stangl book offers facinating insights into human psychology
within the context of extreme conditions. some of the jewish survivors
{they worked at the camp} describe their excitement on learning that a
new transport was from western europe as opposed to eastern europe
{western transports were rich jews who carried lots of food and money
that sustained the work jews}. you'll find commentary by jews on how
fat bodies burn slowly as opposed to skinny ones. stangl himself
describes becoming used to the situation and how under these
conditions a person begins to regard the transport jews as cargo or
cattle and not people.

finally, zyklon B, which is cyanide gas, was only used at auschwitz.
the other camps used carbon monoxide generated by UBOAT engines. John
Demanjuk was accused of being 'Ivan' the russian guard at treblinka
who ran the engine.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 02:10 GMT
>> finally, zyklon B, which is cyanide gas, was only used at auschwitz.
> the other camps used carbon monoxide generated by UBOAT engines. John
> Demanjuk was accused of being 'Ivan' the russian guard at treblinka
> who ran the engine.

Well, I suppose these bureaucratic details and distinctions are
interesting...(if you are a former member of the SS and are sitting
around with your pals in some beerhall talking 'good times')...

...but you seem to be missing the BIG PICTURE type point here (as
usual)...

...the simple respect and tolerance for the viewpoints of others...(as
reflected here):

"Love
them until they realize how dumb their beliefs really are".

Gee, junior...dunno what type of "Christian" philosophy you were
raised with...but the little I got out of Sunday school...as I
remember it (besides the dirty jokes we learned) stressed love and
tolerance and respect...for everyone.

I don't remember the bits about how other peoples' faiths were 'dumb',
myself.

I suppose you could say that this is the sort of intolerance that
ultimately leads to Nazi-type states and solutions...don't you think?

Hmmmm?
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 15:18 GMT
> >> finally, zyklon B, which is cyanide gas, was only used at auschwitz.
> > the other camps used carbon monoxide generated by UBOAT engines. John
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>
> Hmmmm?

The Jewish religion especially that practiced by orthodox jews is
obsolete. The holocaust and zionism set judaism back about 500 years.
During the 19th century reform efforts were progressing well. but
zionism and the holocaust brought it all to a halt.

Of the major world religions, only Judaism brings race into play by
granting 'membership' by birthright or genetic relationship to a
mother. This is a tribal belief which confuses and melds religion with
bloodline.

If you have a jewish mother, it doesn't matter what you do. You are
always considered a jew, regardless of belief system. If a nonjew
wants to convert, the orthodox conversion process is set up to
guarantee a very difficult process. Conversions can be revoked at any
time. Someone born of a jewish mother can be a child molesting
satanist and is still considered a jew.

and I don't know...but advocating love and compassion towards jews
seems pretty tolerant to me. They and their talmud are largely defined
by a 3000 year history of persecution. Judaism is like the dark side
of the force. the more you hate it, the stronger it becomes.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 16:50 GMT
> > I don't remember the bits about how other peoples' faiths were 'dumb',
> > myself.
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> mother. This is a tribal belief which confuses and melds religion with
> bloodline.

Well, look...I sure as hell don't want to get into a religious debate
with you...but I would point out that virtually every major world
religion has a sort of ethnic (or even nationalist) component to it,
and anyone who lives in an urban area with immigrant neighborhoods
knows this. Tell me what ethnic group...and I will tell you the
religion associated with it.

Mankind tends to make religion in his own image.

In other words, religions are, literally, "the faith of our
fathers"...you are raised with your parent's and grandparent's faiths.
You are a "Christian" most likely, because of the Emperor
Constantine's conversion...otherwise, you would be running around an
oak tree with a sprig of mistletoe...

Whether you are a Protestant or Catholic depends upon the events of
the Reformation and how successful it was where your ancestors
lived...and to some extent, the political events within the home
country. All of it is "tribal" to some extent...

> and I don't know...but advocating love and compassion towards jews
> seems pretty tolerant to me.

Calling Judaism "dumb" seems incredibly "dumb" to me.

Hey...news flash...did you know that Christianity is a sect (some say
a "cult") of Judaism? Did you ever hear that Jesus was a "Jew"...so
were all the disciples? Shocking, I know.

So, by extension, is Christianity also "dumb"?

Fine...you don't care for what you understand to be the tenets of
Judaism...but does that require you to label the faith of others as
"dumb"? Is Buddhism also "dumb"? Don't you think that Christianity has
enough of a bad rep as to its belligerent attempts to convert without
your 'help'?

Don't you think that is a bit...confrontational and disrespectful? Do
you think it is possible that it might be your lack of understanding
that is causing you to say that these things are 'dumb'?

. Judaism is like the dark side
> of the force.

LOL. No. You are way, way off there...the "Empire" is the dark side...
(and the "Empire" is)?

PS. Hey...how do you make one of those grilled cheese sandwiches with
Jesus' face on it?

First...spread the bread with "I Can't Believe it's not Buddha"...
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 17:48 GMT
> > > I don't remember the bits about how other peoples' faiths were 'dumb',
> > > myself.
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>
> First...spread the bread with "I Can't Believe it's not Buddha"...

actually, yes, christianity is dumb. however it is a major advance on
judaism in that it disposes of the racist aspect and allows the
revelation of God to be universal. a trait it shares with islam. in
judaism, there is no evangelism. there is no attempt to spread the
faith. there is no desire or motivation for the 'truths' of judaism to
be universal; in fact, the talmud itself is very racist and contains
many diatribes against non-jews.

it's true that people are born into religions, but a signal difference
in judaism is that someone born to a jewish mother is always
considered to be a jew. neither christianity nor other major religions
concern themselves with who your mother or father was. the religion is
separated from biological bloodlines. there is actually a major
dispute in judaism over patrilineal versus matrilineal descent. in
other words, if I have a jewish father but not a jewish mother, and I
want to be jewish, I have to undergo an intensive conversion process
{for orthodox}.{ thus, for orthodox jews, religion is not a 'faith of
the father'.}

if I have a jewish mother and a non-jewish father, the same is not
true. I can never attend synagogue in my life and immediately
immigrate to israel. in fact this has happened for many russian jews
who are not religious. many americans do not understand this very
racial view of judaism by ashkenazis.

so whereas for most people religion is a psychological event, judaism
forces itself upon its members also as a biological event.  also as a
nationalist movement.

don't take my word for it...there are dozens if not hundreds of
genetic studies many by israeli scientists that attempt to establish
genetic bloodlines for jews going back through the diaspora. if any
other scientist attempted to do this for any other religion,
especially for christianity, they would probably be persecuted.
imagine if a group of southern baptists refused to marry outside their
bloodlines and traced their lineage back to 1650 in Georgia, and were
obsessed with proving that their DNA bore marked homology to the DNA
of individuals currently living in Belgium.  Then imagine them
demanding a separate state in alabama. meanwhile a core group of them
want to continue living in Chicago and maintain dual citizenship with
the United States.

That is a pretty good analogy to zionist judaism.

in fact, much of today's research into jewish bloodlines and the
attendent racial laws in israel bear a very strong resemblance to what
we saw in nazi germany. it is only in these terms can the holocaust be
understood. I don't support the holocaust, but judaism's racial,
biological, and cultural exclusiveness makes the Jews a natural target
for racists, since they themselves are very concerned with preserving
their race.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 20:29 GMT
> actually, yes, christianity is dumb.

No...honestly...I would have to say that someone who says what you
just said is "dumb".

> don't take my word for it...

You needn't worry about that.
the 3rd Man - 21 Dec 2007 20:34 GMT
>> actually, yes, christianity is dumb. >

I think that anyone who would say something like that is incredibly
"dumb"...(whether or not they happen to agree or disagree with the
sentiment).

> don't take my word for it...

Don't worry about that. Won't happen.
googley goo - 23 Dec 2007 01:00 GMT
> >> actually, yes, christianity is dumb. >
>
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>
> Don't worry about that. Won't happen.

"Goyim. Anti-Semitism is a terrible thing and conversely, anti-
Semitism has been the means of saving millions of Jews from
assimilation. For if not for the rejection by the gentile of the Jew,
how many others would have
long disappeared form our midst? Was the Jew of Poland or Lithuania a
better Jew than the assimilated and intermarried Jew of Germany and
France? Or was he simply not "blessed" with the opportunity to behave
similarly? What happened to cause so many Jews of Eastern Europe to
drop a tradition of centuries and seize upon Bundism, and secular
Zionism and communism when the opportunity presented itself? When the
gentile behaved with any semblance of acceptance, the Jew leaped for
joy, his religion falling off in midair. When faced with the
implacable, hating, unaccepting goy, the Jew remained a Jew. Because
he had no choice.

This is why millions of Jews, one generation form the Czar and
pogroms, still retained a measure of the New Judaism. Because they
also retained a measure of memory of the goy and because they still
recalled the
difference between them that the goy had insisted upon. But what
happens when a child is born, free and unencumbered with memories?
What happens when a young Jew is raised in an environment where, for
the time being, history has allowed him never to know any meaningful
anti-Semitism? What happens when he roams campuses filled with
gentiles (pretty and handsome); freedom filled neighborhoods and
employment, a world of his own that's uninhabited by hatred of the
Jew? What happens when a whole generation grows up that does not know
the goy? What happens? Why, the obvious. Not being forced to be a Jew,
he does not remain one; not consciously, not actively, not caringly."

Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their
hypocrisies welling inside of you.
BrentB - 23 Dec 2007 04:42 GMT
> > >> actually, yes, christianity is dumb. >
>
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> Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their
> hypocrisies welling inside of you.

The hypocrisies are alive and well in all races not just the Jews.
Interesting point in that "jewness" is not just race but also a
religion...A tenuous thing that must be. That said, think about your
comment "christianity is dumb" then your description of it being a
"revelation of God". If you understand that all gospel is a revelation
from God and brings wisdom how can it be dumb? nonetheless...good
stuff.
the 3rd Man - 23 Dec 2007 21:23 GMT
> Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their
> hypocrisies welling inside of you.

Kid...this is really supposed to be a Lyme disease board.

Don't you have any Jewish friends that you can talk to about these
feelings you have? Maybe a Rabbi would consent to talk to you if you
approached him properly.

I would suggest to you, however, that there might be a LOT that you do
not understand...and that it might not be the best thing to do...to
start out...to suggest that Christianity and/or Judaism are "dumb".

It's just really not a good way to get the discussion rolling...to
insult people's belief systems...and them, at the same time.

Try to show some respect for the beliefs of others.

And...these are deeply allegorical...both the Old and new Testaments.

Are you quite certain that you understand all the meanings well enough
to suggest that they are 'dumb'?

Gawd, I wish I was back in college and knew every damn thing again...
googley goo - 23 Dec 2007 22:03 GMT
> > Love and tolerate the Jews. Embrace them when you feel hatred of their
> > hypocrisies welling inside of you.
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>
> Gawd, I wish I was back in college and knew every damn thing again...

so...you're a reform jew, huh?

I didn't start this thread.

religion and especially insane religious extremism has become a
limiting factor on the advancement of mankind. we need new religions
and new ideas. no one with a functioning brain really believes that a
bunch of sheepherders {jews, christians, muslims, whatever} received
all these revelations from God. instead, all of this religious crap
was used to justify various political movements and attempts at social
control. monotheism was an interesting idea, I suppose. but 2000 years
has passed! and even more in the instance of judaism. give it up!!!
the messiah is not coming, Jesus was a political revolutionary who was
probably insane, and mohammed was a nutcase who just wanted to control
arabia and justify banging as many bitches as possible.

IMO the time has come to examine a new possibility: that there are
infinite gods. not one god, not 3 gods, but an unlimited number of
gods. everything in western civ over the past 2000 years has been
based on the idea of 1 God. All major philosphers and scientists etc.
were subjected to this belief system. even if they were or became
atheists, it still has impacted their work.

what about a mathematical religion? perhaps we should worship numbers,
like pythagoras. or even shapes...circles, squares, triangles. at this
point I would be far more likely to attend a church of the holy circle
than any other religious establishment.
the 3rd Man - 23 Dec 2007 23:51 GMT
> so...you're a reform jew, huh?

No, douchebag. Not a "Jew' or Jewish at all.

FYI...was raised as sort of a Methodist. Not particularly religious
myself.
the 3rd Man - 24 Dec 2007 04:14 GMT
> > what about a mathematical religion? perhaps we should worship numbers,
> like pythagoras.

Yes, well...this would seem to be a good example of what seems to be
an excess of opinion on your part without a great deal of accompanying
insight.

I think that it is more accurate to say that the Pythagoreans saw a
symmetry, a harmony...a representation of the divine in the
relationships of numbers...not that they "worshipped numbers".

You know, there is a quite a difference, some say, between knowledge
and understanding...
googley goo - 24 Dec 2007 09:39 GMT
> > > what about a mathematical religion? perhaps we should worship numbers,
> > like pythagoras.
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> You know, there is a quite a difference, some say, between knowledge
> and understanding...

yes, I know that. The thing is, the word worship has many
connotations. I decided to use it because it accurately conveyed the
idea...that they revered numbers...in one word. additionally, the
pythagoreans seem to have placed more importance on this form of
divination than on other forms.

this is why I suggested a mathematical religion, worshipping numbers
like pythagoreans. What I failed to take into account was your overly-
anal propensity for trying to punch holes in my bulletproof facade.

in syracuse, the pythagoreans had a temple dedicated to the number 4.
I think, for most people, this sort of thing would fall into the realm
of 'worshipping numbers' when spoken of colloquially.
the 3rd Man - 24 Dec 2007 17:02 GMT
> this is why I suggested a mathematical religion, worshipping numbers
> like pythagoreans. What I failed to take into account was your overly-
> anal propensity for trying to punch holes in my bulletproof facade.

Facade, yes...'bulletproof'...hardly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreans

(Notice the origin of the word "mathematics").

> in syracuse, the pythagoreans had a temple dedicated to the number 4.
> I think, for most people, this sort of thing would fall into the realm
> of 'worshipping numbers' when spoken of colloquially.-

Well, it would be largely misleading, though.

The "worship" would be of what the number four represented to them,
symbolically.
Stubby Elvis - 20 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT
my post was RE YTR. not you googley
googley goo - 21 Dec 2007 15:22 GMT
> my post was RE YTR. not you googley

it's too late, I already pushed the self destruct button. better find
an escape pod.

by the way, speaking of escape pods...why, in the original star wars
movie, at the very beginning when princess leia's spaceship was sucked
in by the star destroyer tractor beam, why were c3po and r2d2 able to
escape in the pod? wouldn't the tractor beam keep that from happening?
the 3rd Man - 20 Dec 2007 23:12 GMT
> as a christian, you should love your neighbor.

Not that it really matters...but why do you think that this person
(benefit of the doubt) is a "Christian"?

love the jews. love
> them until they realize how dumb their beliefs really are.

Gosh n golly n gee whiz......them Jewish folks shore is damn lucky to
have a smart redneckedy Okie  like you'n a'workin this stuff all out
for em...

...guess them thar Rabbi fellers kin jist sit down naow and rest
themselfs...as you iz got it all figgerded out for em.

Ah betcha they never even figgered theirowndamnseffs that they wuz
jist dumber then uh fencepost...shore nice uh you ta let em in on it.

(Seems to me...sure is odd what some seem to think passes in the name
of "Christianity" sometimes)...

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