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Rsch. Prop.: Penile Vascularization and Tobacco Cessation

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The Dougster 22044 - 27 Nov 2007 13:36 GMT
sci.med readers, please add to any _relevant_ groups not listed in
headers, but judiciously; I wouldn't want anyone annoyed by
crossposting this thread. Followup to sci.med, please. (See header)

OK, here's an idea for new research:

Hypothesis: In a cohort of 100 adult male toboacco smokers, a tobacco
cessation program incuding measurements of penile vascularlization
before and after cessation will be significantly more effective at
retaining cessation at the 6 month mark than in the (a) control group.

And I speak from personal experience, here. I am schizoaffective and
am in the roughly 85% of that small group that smoke. At least I was
until 2 PM yesterday. That's when I quit using tobacco. I am using a
little Nicotrol now, but I think I can stay with the quit this time.
Here's why:

I've been using Cialis for mild male sexual dysfunction for more than
a year now, and have watched the drug make a difference, and watched
my tobacco habit erase that difference over the course of a year. In
the mirror, properly dosed, in the morning, on rising from bed, I look
like a normal guy. After a few cigarettes, though, before getting
dressed, I notice a distinct change. My penis is smaller. Now some of
that is due to fading of a nocturnal erection cycle that most men have
but with a year of studying myself in the mirror, making occasional
measurements, and using a VETD, I am conviced:

Smoking makes your pecker _smaller_.

It sounds pretty reasonable, doesn't it? We know even sidestream and
secondhand smoke causes vasocontriction, and have known for many many
years that inhaled smoke does that in a major way. Were we just
ignoring the vascular structures in the penis? (There may be relevance
here to female sexual function, and comments are welcome. I'm male and
so I defer.)

There are lots of good reasons to quit using tobacco. Dying from
emphysema (the threat of dying) is one good one. It was enough for my
brother, but not for me. I'm sure that had something to do with my
schizoaffective condition.

Well, I could go on and on, but let me say this, I never hit the next
inch mark on the vacuum tube (I use a QS-7 and a VST) until this
morning, and I had intentionally pumped right after waking for many
(dozens) of mornings in the past. After more than 16 hours of
abstaining, I am convinced that including evaluations of penile
vascularization in a cessation program would motivate many, many men
to quit, to their delight and that of their partners.

Men are so hooked-in to this "performance" issue (overall) that a
medically administered program of cessation supported by a diagnosis
of penile devasucularization secondary to tobacco use would be a
wonderful thing to add to the cessation arsental. Smoking is highly
addictive, but I believe the link to the "sexual subconcious" we have
in this proposal would be very useful to milions if not billions of
men.

I can send you a PDF of a set of 10 single-use penis measuring rulers
I made up that you can cut from paper, use, and thereby use to develop
your own opinion of whether quitting tobacco makes a difference in
your or your partner's erect or flaccid penis size. They are suitable
for measurements of either circumference or length.

If you have access to Doppler equipment that can measure vascular
function, please write me an email to work out what would be needed
for me to collaborate with your or another provider to get this study
done and published.

Lastly, if you have a reference to this work being already done,
please share it and save us all much time and possibly much effort
spent debating.

Doug Goncz
Replikon Research
Seven Corners, VA 22044-0394
Cingular mobile available if you write to me
Rulers available as mentioned
ironjustice@aol.com - 27 Nov 2007 21:22 GMT
>> On Nov 27, 5:36 am, The Dougster 22044 <DGo...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:Lastly, if you have a reference to this work being already done, please share it and save us all much time and possibly much effort
spent debating. <<

I read that just lately .. soo .. it must be out there .. smoking
makes you .. impotent .. just like eating meat does.

http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20030307/smoking-can-lead-to-erec
tile-dysfunction


There is probably one newer than that one.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> sci.med readers, please add to any _relevant_ groups not listed in
> headers, but judiciously; I wouldn't want anyone annoyed by
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> Cingular mobile available if you write to me
> Rulers available as mentioned
Ray Johnstone - 28 Nov 2007 02:36 GMT
According to the second report from the US Surgeon General men who
smoke up to 11 cigarettes a day are less likely to have most chronic
conditions, including heart disease and hypertension:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~ray/SG8.htm
ray@iinet.com.au
www.iinet.com.au/~ray
The Dougster 22044 - 17 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:36:58 -0800 (PST), The Dougster 22044
>
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> conditions, including heart disease and hypertension:http://members.iinet.net.au/~ray/SG8.htm
> r...@iinet.com.auwww.iinet.com.au/~ray

Oh, they built the ship "Titanic"
And sailed the ocean blue
And they thought had a ship
That the water would never slip through...

What comes to mind is the rug. The living room rug. The one with the
dead mouse under it. The stinky mouse.

There's probably a note somewhere else that justifies removing this
report from the list. If that list claims to be exhaustive, though,
the hysteria is worse than I thought.

What I'd hoped to study was the effect of including evaluations of
penile vascularization in quit progrms. I think my hypothesis was
clear--I presumed and hoped to prove that including such evauations
would help men quit.

Maybe somebody argued that that 1-11 cigarette per day smoker group
was made of inherently hardier people than the other groups. I can
certainly believe there's a gene and a personality type that can flirt
with danger and addiction and win; I have a relative who smokes
exactly one long 120 mm cigarette per day and she's got to be the most
assertive risk manager I know. Very sound judgement there in that
family member.

Speaking of members, how would vascularization be measured in the
study I propose? Ultrasound's a bit expensive for the first go-round.
Paper measuring tapes? Cameras? Camera pictures of first-morning
dangle would motivate me. I wonder if other men would be similarly
motivated. I have discussed this with my urologist a bit. Probably any
self-measurement technique would be highly motivating and any
technician-assisted measurement subject to denial.

Doug
shakenbake - 16 Dec 2007 16:59 GMT
> sci.med readers, please add to any _relevant_ groups not listed in
> headers, but judiciously; I wouldn't want anyone annoyed by
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> Cingular mobile available if you write to me
> Rulers available as mentioned

Which means that Anti-smokers are big pricks!

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