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Vitamin Cure For Mental Illness
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ironjustice - 24 Nov 2007 16:33 GMT "Never happened in the history of the institution"
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/may/vitamin-cure
Can common nutrients curb violent tendencies and dispel clinical depression? by Susan Freinkel, Photography by Dan Winters
<<snip>> A few weeks after the study started, the prison warden told Gesch that the administrative report that month showed no violent incidents had occurred. "As far as he was aware, this had never happened in the history of the institution," Gesch says. <<snip>>
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Dave - 24 Nov 2007 21:35 GMT > "Never happened in the history of the institution" > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Another good one Tom. I've heard of similar responses in situations like this to the herb Rhodiola rosea. This is the first time I've read about this happening with the nutrients mentioned,
Dave
TC - 27 Nov 2007 21:54 GMT > > "Never happened in the history of the institution" > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The key nutrients are vitamin C and the B complex. And the Bs are found in abundance in meats, red meats in particular.
ironjustice - 29 Nov 2007 14:57 GMT > "Never happened in the history of the institution" > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Might as well give a shout out to Terry .. Sooo .. what would happen if a person were to include lecithin in this .. ? Would / could this 'cost' factor be now reduced .. ? They say it costs about seventy dollars a month for the supplement and so if one were to take lecithin the common everyday vegetable lecithin WITH this simple supplement would the cost be halved or more .. ?
Lecithin has been shown to enhance the absorption of vitamins and minerals.
http://www.truehope.com/_about/aboutus.asp -----------------------------
The two scientists have been under attack by a group led by Terry Polevoy, a dermatologist in Kitchener, Ontario, who runs a Web site called HealthWatcher.net. A onetime devotee of holistic therapies, Polevoy now crusades against alternative treatments he considers scams. For the past four years, he and his colleagues have accused Stephan and Hardy of irresponsibly marketing an unproven remedy. The employees that take the company's orders have no medical training, Polevoy points out, yet they're told to encourage customers, many of them mentally ill, to stop using traditional medicines and rely exclusively on the supplement. "People have been injured by taking this stuff," Polevoy says. In one well-publicized case, a schizophrenic man quit his medications in order to take the supplement and wound up psychotic, in jail, and facing assault charges.
Hardy and Stephan, in turn, accuse Polevoy of being a front man for the pharmaceutical industry, a charge Polevoy denies. "I may go to a few meetings a year hosted by pharmaceutical companies," Polevoy says, "but I'm not paid."
After Kaplan and Popper published accounts of their experiences with the formula, Polevoy charged the scientists with conducting experimental research on patients without proper institutional review. The allegations triggered lengthy investigations by the scientists' academic institutions, as well as by Canadian and U.S. health authorities. Kaplan and Popper were ultimately cleared of any improprieties, but the ordeal left both so gun shy that they stopped talking publicly about the supplement. (Kaplan declined to be interviewed for this story. Neither she nor any of the other scientists mentioned in this story have any financial ties to the supplement.)
Both scientists have had a tough time securing government support for their psychiatric research. EMPowerplus has yet to be approved for sale in Canada, and Health Canada, the agency that regulates food and drugs in that country, has sued Truehope for advertising the product to Canadians who might wish to import it. "The manufacturer has not provided us with scientific evidence that the drug is safe and effective," says Jirina Vlk, a spokeswoman for the agency. Hardy and Stephan, in turn, have sued Health Canada for blocking shipments at the border. Health Canada initially denied Kaplan permission to pursue a randomized study of the supplement in 100 bipolar patients, although Kaplan already had funding from the Alberta government. That decision was reversed in 2004, after the agency established a new division dedicated to overseeing supplements and natural health products.
Meanwhile in the United States, Popper and Kaplan recently secured approval from the Food and Drug Administration to conduct an even larger clinical study of the supplement. Other scientists think this is long overdue. "It's something that needs to be investigated," says L. Eugene Arnold, a psychiatrist at Ohio State University who plans to explore the use of zinc to treat ADHD. "There's no point in people arguing about whether it works or not without getting some data to get the answer." Arnold is no advocate of alternative treatments for mood disorders, but he thinks it's reasonable to suspect that vitamins and minerals might have an effect. The standard treatment for bipolar disorder is lithium, he points out. "And what is that but a mineral?"
For Hardy and Stephan, the long wait for scientific validation has been frustrating. But they are patient. "It's like any new discovery-- acceptance is slow to come," Stephan says. "But that will change. It will come."
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Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2003 Dec; 67(12): 2548-55. Related Articles, Links
Enhancing Effect of Lipids and Emulsifiers on the Accumulation of Quercetin Metabolites in Blood Plasma after the Short-term Ingestion of Onion by Rats.
Azuma K, Ippoushi K, Ito H, Horie H, Terao J.
National Institute of Vegetable and Tea Science, National Agricultural Research Organization.
The effects of co-ingested lipids and emulsifiers on the accumulation of quercetin metabolites in blood plasma after the short-term ingestion of onion by rats were investigated. Plasma extracts of rats that had been fed onion-containing diets for one and two weeks were analyzed by HPLC with electrochemical detection after a treatment with sulfatase/beta- glucuronidase. Almost all of the quercetin metabolites in the plasma were sulfate/ glucuronide conjugates of quercetin and isorhamnetin. More than 4.6% (w/w) of soybean oil in the diets significantly enhanced the accumulation of quercetin metabolites in the plasma. Fish oil and beef tallow increased this to an extent similar to that with soybean oil, and lecithin was more effective than the other three lipids. Two emulsifiers, sodium caseinate and sucrose fatty acid ester, also showed an enhancing effect on the accumulation of quercetin metabolites. These results indicate that co-ingested lipids and emulsifiers could enhance the bioavailability of quercetin glucosides in onion.
PMID: 14730132 [PubMed - in process]
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Marcus Aurelius - 29 Nov 2007 18:59 GMT When I was an infantryman in Vietnam, I took a multivitamin tablet every day. Upon return to the USA, I suffered no significant psychiatric symptoms related to the same service. Perhaps, taking a multivitamin tablet every day should be requisite for the military, given the study and my personal experience.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 30 Nov 2007 21:47 GMT > When I was an infantryman in Vietnam, I took a multivitamin tablet > every day. Upon return to the USA, I suffered no significant > psychiatric symptoms related to the same service. Perhaps, taking a > multivitamin tablet every day should be requisite for the military, > given the study and my personal experience. Not a bad idea. Now if we would only allow the soldiers to use their constitutional rights and decline the vaccines, how much healthier might our soldiers be? Do we really need and want to send sick, drugged, and poisoned troops into harm's way?
This has reminded me of a study I read from South Africa. Some researcher wanted to do a clinical study in a mental institution. They divided the institution into two groups where one got the drug of choice, and the others were fed a nutritious nearly vegetarian dietary. The study had to be stopped when the properly fed group began to lose their psychoses and return to normal, which of course, invalidated the whole study. These results were sunmarilly dismissed as being unscientific and invalid.
DrCee Not a pharma shill Not a member of the medical monopoly Not a member of the church of modern medicine
ironjustice - 01 Dec 2007 02:29 GMT On Nov 30, 1:47 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:They divided the institution into two groups where one got the drug of choice, and the others were fed a nutritious nearly vegetarian dietary <<
Different diets in the study groups .. ?
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> > When I was an infantryman in Vietnam, I took a multivitamin tablet > > every day. Upon return to the USA, I suffered no significant [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Not a member of the medical monopoly > Not a member of the church of modern medicine drceephd@insightbb.com - 01 Dec 2007 02:56 GMT > On Nov 30, 1:47 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:They divided the > institution into two groups where one got the drug of [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - sorry for my error.
In checking, the investigator wanted to see if diet and nutrition had any effect on psycosis.
The results are the same. The results have been rejected as I offered.
My apologies,
DrCee
Rhiannon - 01 Dec 2007 19:26 GMT > On Nov 30, 1:47 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:They divided the > institution into two groups where one got the drug of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Then explain the fatted calf at the wedding at Cana. Or any of the other numerous references to eating meat mentioned in the Bible.
-- Rhi
ironjustice - 01 Dec 2007 23:18 GMT >> On Dec 1, 11:26 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: Then explain the fatted calf at the wedding at Cana. Or any of the other numerous references to eating meat mentioned in the Bible.<<
My page Moses Was A Mystic! is an excerpt from this book .. and explains how Mr. Addington found a hidden type of teaching in the Bible and how the outer OBVIOUS meaning of the Bible is somewhat **different** from the inner not so obvious meaning.
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Textbooks: The Hidden Mystery of the Bible, Jack Addington; The Science of Mind, Ernest Holmes; The Bible
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Who loves ya. Tom
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BoredToTears - 02 Dec 2007 00:41 GMT On 1 Dec, 23:18, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
"My page Moses Was A Metaphysical Construct That Only Thick Gits Take To Be Literally True! is an excerpt from this book .. and explains how Mr. Addingtwat found a hidden type of cash-cow in the Bebo and how the outer LESS CHANCE TO MAKE A FAST BUCK meaning of the Bebo is somewhat **different** from the inner much more profitable meaning."
"Students will begin to understand the deeper meanings of names, places and numbers found in the Bebo, and will uncover an infinite source of illumination and wisdom."
Or, far more likely, a big fat crock of shite. And an even bigger, fatter bill.
"Textbooks: The Hidden Mystery of your Empty Bank Account, Jack Addingtwat; The "Science" of No-Mind, Ernest Humps; The Bebo
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Who loves ya money. Tom
Jesus Was A w.nk!
Man, You're A Dick!
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ironjustice - 02 Dec 2007 17:42 GMT On Dec 1, 4:41 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:even bigger,Who loves ya money. fatter bill.Who loves ya money.Jesus Was A w.nk! <<
For someone who didn't have any time AFKGTALL .. to .. DO .. **any** reading or research .. you got a big fkg mouth ..
Funny you've lasted so .. long ..
Oh .. you are on a medical list .. so .. maybe .. ? .. you didn't .. ?
Money .. ?
That seems to be the first .. pull .. out of an a.s ..
Then .. Jesus Was A w.nk .. in most circles would get you at least two weeks in the .. jug ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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> On 1 Dec, 23:18, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > BRAIN-DEAD PEOPLE WALKING" BoredToTears - 02 Dec 2007 19:49 GMT > On Dec 1, 4:41 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:even > bigger,Who loves ya money. > fatter bill.Who loves ya money.Jesus Was A w.nk! << > > For someone who didn't have any time AFKGTALL .. to .. DO .. **any** > reading or research .. you got a big fkg mouth .. I don't need to read or research **anything** you spew here to know grade 'A' bullshit when I see it. Oh, and do you want to try shutting my big f.cking mouth? Or are you just another paper tiger?
> Funny you've lasted so .. long .. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That seems to be the first .. pull .. out of an a.s .. Could you try making some sense? Just for once?
> Then .. Jesus Was A w.nk .. in most circles would get you at least two > weeks in the .. jug .. And there we have it, folks, the true agenda of the god-bothering, jesus-freak. Disagree and they'll lock you up. Disagree with their book, their work of fiction - written and carefully edited by men, human beings, over several hundred years - and summary "justice" awaits.
I've got news for you, dick-head, if your jeebus exists and he can't handle a little name-calling from me without you and your fundamentalist ilk resorting to draconian measures then he ain't much of a god and I proclaim again, he's a w.nk and an arsehole into the bargain.
It must be such a disappointment to you, having such a piss-poor "god" to believe in. In fact, your desperate need to believe in fairy tales suggests your life is the ultimate disappointment.
ironjustice - 03 Dec 2007 02:50 GMT On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I don't need to read or research **anything** you spew here to know grade 'A' bullshit when I see it. <<
So you are a .. genius ..
On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Oh, and do you want to try shutting my big f.cking mouth? Or are you just another paper tiger? <<
Why don't you give me a few .. hints .. HOW that would be .. done ..
On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > And there we have it, folks, the true agenda of the god-bothering, jesus-freak.<<
True agenda .. ?
YOU figure you can simply walk around and say .. "Jesus is a cocksucking little pissant" .. any time you 'feel' .. like it .. ANYWHERE .. you 'feel' .. like it and expect people just to sit around and take your sht ..
Talk to Miss Gibbons and her .. "ignorance is my excuse" .. and how she IS .. doing her little time in the jug FOR that very .. crime ..
Ignorance is no excuse ./ will not get you off a .. charge of .. ? .. disrespect ..
Laws are made so people like Miss Gibbons are NOT .. simply beaten to death by someone who doesn't REALLY have the concept of .. justice .. reasonable .. justice.
People don't have to go down to the store and have to listen to people like yourself .. there are .. laws or should be .. laws.
I think there are laws for that type of **disrespect** in some countries.
Disagree and they'll lock you up. Disagree with their book, their work of fiction - written and carefully edited by men, human beings, over several hundred years - and summary "justice" awaits. <<
I can hear whining ..
That comes from a .. btch ..
You did alot more than .. disagree .. there you whining little .. btch ..
On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I've got news for you, dick-head, if your jeebus exists and he can'thandle a little name-calling from me without you and your fundamentalist ilk resorting to draconian measures then he ain't muchof a god and I proclaim again, he's a w.nk and an arsehole into the bargain. <<
Oh .. so now you .. agree your .. **intention** was .. to .. insult ..
Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are ..
On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: It must be such a disappointment to you, having such a piss-poor "god" to believe in. In fact, your desperate need to believe in fairy tales suggests your life is the ultimate disappointment. <<
What .. fairy tale are you talking about .. ?
You don't even KNOW what my fairy tale .. is .. you fkg .. little .. **goof** ..
Now the difference between what YOU said .. and what I .. said .. IS .. ?
You ARE a fkg little whining insulting stupid .. btch ..
Now .. fk off ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 03 Dec 2007 05:55 GMT > On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I > don't need to read or research **anything** you spew here to know > grade 'A' bullshit when I see it. << > > So you are a .. genius .. I don't have to be a genius to know that the bible and everything in it is a big, fat lie and that if someone, anyone, claims to see hidden messages in it they are a bigger liar that the people who wrote and carefully edited it in the first, second, third and how every many places.
> On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Oh, > and do you want to try shutting > my big f.cking mouth? Or are you just another paper tiger? << > > Why don't you give me a few .. hints .. HOW that would > be .. done .. You could start by providing evidence for your god. Oh, wait...
> On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > And there we have it, folks, the true agenda of the god-bothering, > jesus-freak.<< > > True agenda .. ? Yup, true agenda. Power and control. Not just of how people behave but how they think as well. Smite the unbeliever! It's not a huge step from locking people up for insulting your fairy-tale god to burning them for heresy.
> YOU figure you can simply walk around and say .. "Jesus is a > cocksucking little pissant" .. any time you 'feel' .. like it .. > ANYWHERE .. you 'feel' .. like it and expect people just to sit around > and take your sht .. I can say whatever I like, whenever I like and if it annoys you and your ilk, all the better.
> Talk to Miss Gibbons and her .. "ignorance is my excuse" .. and how > she IS .. doing her little time in the jug FOR that very .. crime .. Hahaha! Look at the jesus-freak revelling in the brutal behaviour of the mohammedans. I bet you wet your pants at the thought of being able to march down the street with big knives calling for the beheading of innocent people. But I suppose, what else did I expect from such a closed-minded ignoranus and his pathetic little god.
> Ignorance is no excuse ./ will not get you off a .. charge of .. ? .. > disrespect .. > > Laws are made so people like Miss Gibbons are NOT .. simply beaten to > death by someone who doesn't REALLY have the concept of .. justice .. > reasonable .. justice. And you call locking up a middle-aged primary school teacher for allowing her 7 year-old pupils to name a teddy bear after the most popular boy in class "reasonable justice"?! Be afraid people, be very afraid...
> People don't have to go down to the store and have to listen to people > like yourself .. there are .. laws or should be .. laws. Oh, but yes they *DO* have to. That's the joy of living in a free society, numb-nuts, I can call you're little pussy of a god whatever the f.ck I like and all you can do is listen. Hehe! I can see the steam coming out of your ears from here!
If I have to put up with you and your sanctimonious brethren spouting your nonsensical clap-trap all over the place then the least you can expect is to have me, and millions of others, call you out on it. If you don't like it, tough titty.
> I think there are laws for that type of **disrespect** in some > countries. Yes, backward and uncivilised countries. But I forgot, that's what jeebus's little soldiers want everywhere, no thinking, no questioning just blind obedience and "faith".
> Disagree and they'll lock you up. Disagree with their book, their work > of fiction - written and carefully edited by men, human beings, over [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You did alot more than .. disagree .. there you whining little .. > btch .. Hahaha! Is that the best you could come up with?! Come on! You had a whole six hours and that's *IT*?! Hahaha!
> On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I've > got news for you, dick-head, if your jeebus exists and he can'thandle [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oh .. so now you .. agree your .. **intention** was .. to .. > insult .. Yes. And you rose to the bait.
> Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are .. Oh, look at his big, petted lip. Awww, did the nasty man say bad words about your itsy-bitsy wittle god? There, there, have a wowwy-pop.
> On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: It > must be such a disappointment to you, having such a piss-poor "god" to > believe in. In fact, your desperate need to believe in fairy tales > suggests your life is the ultimate disappointment. << > > What .. fairy tale are you talking about .. ? The bible. Fiction at its worst.
> You don't even KNOW what my fairy tale .. is .. you fkg .. little .. > **goof** .. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Now .. fk off .. Very Xtian of you. Very Xtian indeed. May your next shite be a hedgehog.
ironjustice - 03 Dec 2007 12:53 GMT On Dec 2, 9:55 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Very Xtian of you. Very Xtian indeed.<<
Now .. fk off .. Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are ..
Who loves ya. Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 03 Dec 2007 14:37 GMT > On Dec 2, 9:55 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Very > Xtian of you. Very Xtian indeed.<< > > Now .. fk off .. Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are .. I win!
Rhiannon - 03 Dec 2007 18:38 GMT > On Dec 2, 9:55 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Very > Xtian of you. Very Xtian indeed.<< > > Now .. fk off .. Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are .. Is this what Jesus would say? Tsk. Seems to me your Christian facade is slipping there oh iron one.
-- Rhi
> Who loves ya. > Tom [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk ironjustice@aol.com - 03 Dec 2007 19:56 GMT On Dec 3, 10:38 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: Is this what Jesus would say? <<
Don't be mistaking me for .. Jesus ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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> slipping there oh iron one. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - cognite tute - 04 Dec 2007 19:31 GMT >>On Dec 2, 9:55 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Very >>Xtian of you. Very Xtian indeed.<< [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>DEAD PEOPLE WALKING >>http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk I thought that was what he was saying as he whipped the money-changers from the temple.
j.
Rhiannon - 03 Dec 2007 18:34 GMT > On Dec 2, 11:49 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I > don't need to read or research **anything** you spew here to know [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ANYWHERE .. you 'feel' .. like it and expect people just to sit around > and take your sht .. Actually, yes, that's exactly what he can do. Free country. Unless you intend to kneecap him for his statement then sitting around and taking his sh.t (your words) is exactly what you're going to do. Sure you can talk about it. You can talk about until the cows come home and you aren't going to change minds. Doesn't matter if you don't like it. That's the way it is. If you want people to tolerate and respect your decision to believe than tolerate and respect their decision not to believe. I happen to be a believer (sans the Jesus was a vegetarian) but I also respect others and how they choose to live their lives. For hundreds of years before this one people much wiser than you have failed to accomplish anything by ramming what people don't want down their throats and it won't be any different for you. Freedom of religion includes the freedom to not have any. You're attitude is offensive and you're wasting our time.
-- Rhi
ironjustice@aol.com - 03 Dec 2007 19:53 GMT On Dec 3, 10:34 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: Freedom of religion includes the freedom to not have any. You're attitude is offensive and you're wasting our time. <<
Is that .. right ..
See the .. thread .. ?
I .. **started** the thread ..
Someone comes onto the thread and kicks off my turban .. and says f.ck mohammed .. and I am supposed to take it .. and YOU sit around and .. clap ..
FK .. you ..
Stay off my thread ..
YOU .. fkg .. dig .. ?
Who loves ya. Tom
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> -- > Rhi- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - BoredToTears - 03 Dec 2007 20:11 GMT On 3 Dec, 19:53, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 10:34 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: Freedom > of religion includes the freedom to not have any. You're attitude is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I .. **started** the thread .. Cross-posted to five different groups. Five different public forums which gives everyone and their dog the right to participate in any way they see fit. Your desire to control the behaviour and especially the thoughts of others seems to a bit of an obsession. Maybe we should all be locked up for daring to disagree, that seems to be your M.O.
> Someone comes onto the thread and kicks off my turban .. and says f.ck > mohammed .. and I am supposed to take it .. and YOU sit around and .. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stay off my thread .. Make me, God-boy! f.cking make me!
> YOU .. fkg .. dig .. ? Shut up and dance, ya f.cking meat puppet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Dec 2007 22:55 GMT On Dec 3, 12:11 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<<
Now .. fk off .. Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 04 Dec 2007 23:18 GMT On 4 Dec, 22:55, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 12:11 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Now .. fk off .. Fkg .. whining ltittle bitch that you are .. You're really making yourself look very, very silly, you do know that don't you? Saying the same thing over and over after I keep beating the sh.t out of you and illustrating your utter ignorance, lack of sophistication and inability to think in three dimensions.
So, you'll just keep dancing to my tune, meat puppet, until I get tired of taking the piss and cast you aside for another toy.
ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Dec 2007 23:56 GMT On Dec 4, 3:18 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<<
Fk off .. you whining little bitch ..
Who loves ya. Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 05 Dec 2007 01:47 GMT On 4 Dec, 23:56, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 4, 3:18 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Fk off .. you whining little bitch .. Dance, meat puppet, dance.
ironjustice - 05 Dec 2007 06:10 GMT > On 4 Dec, 23:56, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 3:18 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< Fk off .. you whining little bitch ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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BoredToTears - 05 Dec 2007 10:54 GMT > > On 4 Dec, 23:56, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 4, 3:18 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Fk off .. you whining little bitch .. That's right, meat puppet, keep dancing. You'll do what I tell you when I tell you.
ironjustice - 05 Dec 2007 14:25 GMT On Dec 5, 2:54 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<<
Fk off .. you whining little bitch ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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BoredToTears - 05 Dec 2007 15:02 GMT > On Dec 5, 2:54 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Fk off .. you whining little bitch .. That's it, meat puppet, keep demonstrating to the world your ignorance and lack of wit. Have you ever had an original thought in your life? No, I didn't think so. But keep dancing, meat puppet, it's incredibly funny to watch.
Rhiannon - 03 Dec 2007 20:34 GMT > On Dec 3, 10:34 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: Freedom > of religion includes the freedom to not have any. You're attitude is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I .. **started** the thread .. So?
> Someone comes onto the thread and kicks off my turban .. and says f.ck > mohammed .. and I am supposed to take it .. and YOU sit around and .. > clap .. Yep.
> FK .. you .. > > Stay off my thread .. > > YOU .. fkg .. dig .. ? No. You opened the door when you posted.
> Who loves ya. > Tom Clearly not you. So you can continue to pretend to be capable of love (which includes tolerance) all you want, but you blew your religious credibility the second your fingers attacked the keyboard.
-- Rhi
ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Dec 2007 23:01 GMT On Dec 3, 12:34 pm, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: No. You opened the door when you posted. <<
I opened no door ..
You don't like the way I talk to mr. nutbar .. ?
Who fkg .. cares ..
Your **opinion** about the WAY .. I talk TO mr.nutbar .. is .. relevant .. ?
I xplained to YOU .. how I don't have to take that kind of .. disrespect .. from NOBODY ..
But you figure .. I .. have .. to .. ?
Like I said and you don't seem to be able to understand .. ?
FK .. u .. 2 .. d-i-g .. Who loves ya. Tom
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> > Who loves ya. > > Tom [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Rhi BoredToTears - 04 Dec 2007 23:25 GMT On 4 Dec, 23:01, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 12:34 pm, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: No. You > opened the door when you posted. << [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I xplained to YOU .. how I don't have to take that kind of .. > disrespect .. from NOBODY .. But you *DO* have to cos I'm giving it to you, meat puppet and you will continue to take it until I say otherwise. Understand, meat puppet?
> But you figure .. I .. have .. to .. ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Dec 2007 23:56 GMT On Dec 4, 3:25 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<<
Fk off .. you whining little bitch ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 05 Dec 2007 01:48 GMT On 4 Dec, 23:56, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 4, 3:25 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Fk off .. you whining little bitch .. Dance, meat puppet, dance.
ironjustice - 05 Dec 2007 06:10 GMT On Dec 4, 5:48 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<<
Fk off .. you whining little bitch ..
Who loves ya. Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 05 Dec 2007 10:55 GMT > On Dec 4, 5:48 pm, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Fk off .. you whining little bitch .. That's right, meat puppet, keep dancing. You'll do what I tell you when I tell you.
ironjustice - 05 Dec 2007 14:25 GMT On Dec 5, 2:55 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<<
Fk off .. you whining little bitch ..
Who loves ya. Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
BoredToTears - 05 Dec 2007 15:08 GMT > On Dec 5, 2:55 am, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<< > > Fk off .. you whining little bitch .. You're like the proverbial one-legged man in an arse kicking contest, out-classed and out-gunned. Sad, pathetic little meat puppet with his sad, pathetic little god. Come on, meat puppet, hit me with your best shot. Hahahahaha! Make us all laugh with your pathetic attempts at cognition (yes, you're allowed to look that up, you have my permission). Dance little meat puppet, dance!
Rhiannon - 02 Dec 2007 03:37 GMT >>> On Dec 1, 11:26 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Then explain the fatted calf at the wedding at Cana. Or any of the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Bible and how the outer OBVIOUS meaning of the Bible is somewhat > **different** from the inner not so obvious meaning. Oh man, I hate when that happens.
-- Rhi
ironjustice - 02 Dec 2007 17:06 GMT On Dec 1, 7:37 pm, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote:Oh man, I hate when that happens. <<
It takes a bit to understand Mr. Addington's work.
I placed the page as a rebuttal to those who .. DEMAND .. the Bible to be taken at "face value" .. and show with the page that Mr. Addington .. PROVES .. there is IN the Bible a **hidden** teaching / esoteric teaching and therefore .. I .. don't have to take the Bible at .. face value.
I 'could' .. if .. I .. felt like it .. take the Bible at THAT .. value .. that PROVEN ..value .. THAT teaching .. PROVEN to exist in the Bible ..
As opposed .. to .. as YOU .. 'pointed out' / "Then explain the fatted calf at the wedding at Cana. Or any of the other numerous references to eating meat mentioned in the Bible."
I just place down what I believe I have found.
Who loves ya. Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> >>> On Dec 1, 11:26 am, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Then explain the fatted calf at the wedding at Cana. Or any of the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Rhi Rhiannon - 01 Dec 2007 19:26 GMT > On Nov 30, 1:47 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:They divided the > institution into two groups where one got the drug of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Then explain the fatted calf at the wedding at Cana. Or any of the other numerous references to eating meat mentioned in the Bible.
-- Rhi
vernono - 01 Dec 2007 20:46 GMT >> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! >> http://jesuswasavegetarian. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Rhi Or why catch fish?
Cubit - 02 Dec 2007 14:50 GMT If the bible were our standard for food, we would be having locusts for breakfast.
>> On Nov 30, 1:47 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:They divided the >> institution into two groups where one got the drug of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Rhi David Wright - 02 Dec 2007 22:59 GMT >This has reminded me of a study I read from South Africa. Some >researcher wanted to do a clinical study in a mental institution. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >invalidated the whole study. These results were sunmarilly dismissed >as being unscientific and invalid. Let's see a reference to that supposed study. Your claim that it exists isn't sufficient.
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Mark Probert - 01 Dec 2007 02:46 GMT > When I was an infantryman in Vietnam, I took a multivitamin tablet > every day. Upon return to the USA, I suffered no significant > psychiatric symptoms related to the same service. Perhaps, taking a > multivitamin tablet every day should be requisite for the military, > given the study and my personal experience. 11B?
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ironjustice - 01 Dec 2007 16:20 GMT > When I was an infantryman in Vietnam, I took a multivitamin tablet > every day. Upon return to the USA, I suffered no significant > psychiatric symptoms related to the same service. Perhaps, taking a > multivitamin tablet every day should be requisite for the military, > given the study and my personal experience. Orrr .. you are just young blonde chick .. ;-)
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In this section, we review two risk indicators (prior exposure to trauma and acute stress disorder) and two potential risk mechanisms (social support and hyper-arousal) that deserve special attention. Younger age and female gender have been shown to be risk indicators for chronic PTSD (e.g., Breslau et al., 1998; Kulka et al., 1988). However, these variables alone cannot be usefully employed to identify individuals who may uniquely benefit from early intervention. Intelligence is another example of a risk indicator found in the literature (e.g., Macklin et al., 1998); however, we cannot envision a scenario in which this variable could impact decision making about who should receive early intervention. Of course, age, gender, and intelligence are factors that need to be taken into account in modifying the content and process of early interventions. We end this section by describing how resource losses represent an important set of risk mechanisms, which, to date, have not been sufficiently examined in early intervention research.
Who loves ya. Tom
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