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Medical Forum / General / General / November 2007U.S. Obesity Epidemic - Financial Stakes.
>From Orszag, P. R., Ellis, P. (2007). Addressing Rising Health Care Costs -- A View from the Congressional Budget Office. NEJM 357: 1885-1887 Source Information Dr. Orszag is the director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), where Dr. Ellis is a senior analyst. The CBO is a nonpartisan agency that provides budgetary and economic analyses to Congress. "The long-term fiscal balance of the United States will be determined primarily by the future rate of growth of health care costs, as we have recently noted.1 If costs per enrollee in Medicare and Medicaid continued to grow at the same rate as they have over the past four decades, federal spending on those two programs alone would increase from about 5% of the gross domestic product today to about 20% by 2050 - roughly the share of the economy now accounted for by the entire federal budget. Compounding the challenge for policymakers is the difficulty of controlling federal spending over the long term without addressing the underlying forces behind the increase in both private and public health care costs..." Link to full text of article: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/19/1885 Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Nov 11, 5:58 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > >From Orszag, P. R., Ellis, P. (2007). Addressing Rising Health Care > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. What you need to do is to send them copies of your published studies that show the effectiveness of your diet and by showing them how it improves health and reduces the need for medication all of which will lower costs. Could not hurt to send them to the NIH. I am sure you still have contacts at Emory - can they help. Dr. Chung I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients - can you list any of the journal where it was published? > Dr. Chung > > I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients - > can you list any of the journal where it was published? A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum. You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing physician and review it. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. I was not talking about the results of one case, but how about the published results of all the patients over the years. As an MD and PhD you certainly must have the data to support your conclusions and certainly should be capable to write it up and submit it to the medical journals. So let me just ask: How patients started the Approach. How many patients successful follow the Approach and succeed, only to stop in the future How many have remained on the Approach and maintained the weight loss and for how long. How did their pre-Approach and post-Approach VAT compare. How do you measure the VAT - the accurate CT/MRI method or the less accurate method using body measurements of the patient. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Dr. Chung >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published > and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum. Why are you publishing a case study about a single person who has followed your approach for 2 years, when more than 625,550 people have followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this group? Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the results of the study with 625,550 participants? > You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing > physician and review it. So it's not public. How can that count as publishing? Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this > group? This particular case is directly under my care as a cardiologist and has features that are more interesting that just curing obesity. > Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the > results of the study with 625,550 participants? The results of the more that 625,550 folks who have used the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 5 years are already as previously described in the public domain. All have achieved sustained weight loss: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease > > You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing > > physician and review it. > > So it's not public. How can that count as publishing? Think of it as an intranet publication. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Are you referring to your mentioning the results at the "Lifestyles for Today's Woman Conference"? This is not really my idea of a scientific publication. >>>You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing >>>physician and review it. >> >>So it's not public. How can that count as publishing? > > Think of it as an intranet publication. The new gold-standard in scientific publishing? Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Are you referring to your mentioning the results at the "Lifestyles for > Today's Woman Conference"? No. Simply referring to the results being publicized everywhere in the public domain as evidenced by the press releases and the Google archives... http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aef63cf3c360b94b? ... and the unprecedented million-dollar guarantee: http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: > This is not really my idea of a scientific publication. There will be more good arising from this information residing in the public domain than in any peer-reviewed medical and/or scientific publicaltion: http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess > >>>You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing > >>>physician and review it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The new gold-standard in scientific publishing? The guidance of the Holy Spirit... ... remains my choice to just do it :-) GOD's will be done and not my will: http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aef63cf3c360b94b? Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Nov 13, 2:15 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Yup, ECHO is the right name Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aef63cf3c360b94b? Ah, ok, so you insist on counting a piece of 2,500 year old fiction as evidence for your approach. Surely you are aware that Exodus is totally irrelevant in a discussion of weight loss regimens in a modern setting, because the people in this story didn't have any choice about what and how much to eat. And this choice is the crucial point in any weight loss approach. Yes, if people are forced to stay on a low calorie diet, because they are in prison or their country is at war and food is scarce, they will lose weight, and yes, the weight will stay off as long as they don't have enough to eat. This has been proven over and over again. But the situation of all those overweight or obese people in affluent countries in totally different. They have nearly unlimited access to food and it is up to themselves to inforce any weight loss regimen. Many diets (or approaches) would work for them, if the stayed on them, but the trouble is that people find it rather hard to follow weight loss diets (or approaches). So in order to prove that your approach is the magic (or divine) solution for all weight problems, you would have to show that people find it easier to follow your approach than other approaches (or diets) if they have to control themselves how much they eat and don't have there food restricted by divine intervention. So far, I see no evidence that this is the case. Quite the contrary. Your approach is btw. not as original as you may think. In Germany, there has been a somewhat similar approach that was quite popular for some time. It's colloquially called "FdH" (Friß' die Hälfte) which roughly translates to "Eat only half as much". If you google for it you find more than 40,000 references to it. It follows the same general idea as your approach that people should just eat less. Of course, it is a bit more flexible, because it is only a rule of thumb and of course does not ask people to cut down their food intake if they are not overweight to begin with. Today this approach is no longer in favor with physicians or other people responsible for public health, because it just does not work (people don't stay on this approach) and because it does not encourage healthy eating patterns. > ... and the unprecedented million-dollar guarantee: > > http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee Which is worthless, because even without knowing the details of the guarantee (who do you think is prepared to pay money for the details?) it is clear that you are only paying it to people who stay on the diet and yet fail to lose weight, because otherwise someone would have collected the money by now, just by claiming that they did try the diet but had to discontinue it. And as explained above, you don't need a study or a guarantee to show that people on a low calorie diet will lose weight, if they stay on it. The trouble is that people don't usually stay on weight loss diets (or approaches). And your guarantee surely does not cover this crucial point. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Ah, ok, so you insist on counting a piece of 2,500 year old fiction as > evidence for your approach. The cited sci.med.cardiology post is neither fiction nor 2500 years old. Bottom line: You are untruthful. This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Nov 13, 7:29 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > The cited sci.med.cardiology post is neither fiction nor 2500 years > old. Its source is, and like a 2500 year old carton of cottage cheese, it should be disposed of posthaste and ere the morrow. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > The cited sci.med.cardiology post is neither fiction nor 2500 years > old. Your post is not, but the story of Exodus to which your post refers certainly is. In the very sentence following the one you quoted I specifically refer to Exodus, so you can hardly pretend that it wasn't clear to you what I meant. But then again, intellectual honesty has never been your strong point, so I cannot say that I am surprised. > Bottom line: > > You are untruthful. If that were true, we would have something in common, but I'm afraid that isn't the case. > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict > you: > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts Already running short of arguments? Preferring to play the "convicts" card instead of actually adressing any of my arguments? Are you so easily defeated? Come on, surely you can do better than that! > May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your > mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay May you wisely choose to discontinue your "approach". It's obvious that it is not doing you any good. Thorsten >Already running short of arguments? Preferring to play the "convicts" >card instead of actually adressing any of my arguments? Are you so >easily defeated? Come on, surely you can do better than that! No, actually, Jesus the Chung probably can't do any better than that. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Your post is not, but the story of Exodus to which your post refers > certainly is. Actually, someone else posted the reference to the story of Exodus thereby unwittingly providing an opportunity to publicize the sustained weight-loss success of the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 625,550 people worldwide. It remains amazing to me how GOD compelled someone to add up the Biblical census numbers to arrive at 625,550 people (men). GOD is amazing :-) Bottom line: The universal (more than 625,550 people) sustained (more than 5 years) weight-loss results for the 2PD-OMER Approach has been published in the public domain for some time now. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. In the very sentence following the one you quoted I > specifically refer to Exodus, so you can hardly pretend that it wasn't > clear to you what I meant. But then again, intellectual honesty has [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Thorsten > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > It remains amazing to me how GOD compelled someone to add up the > Biblical census numbers to arrive at 625,550 people (men). And we may read of this remarkable calculation where, exactly? -- cary > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > And we may read of this remarkable calculation where, exactly? The link above. Will continue to pray for you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > 1@news.t-online.com> <1194906038.782245.65750@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <fhanqq$tm7$01$1@news.t-online.com> <1194941727.494657.88900@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <fhd6e1$os1$01$1@news.t-online.com> <1195000194.300452.190600@o80g2000hse.googleg > roups.com> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > clear to you what I meant. But then again, intellectual honesty has > never been your strong point, so I cannot say that I am surprised. What? You think, for some bizarre reason, that medicine advances by detailed and exhaustive reporting of the details of a study, including protocols, assumptions, and raw data, in a peer-reviewed journal? Silly boy. We all know that all major medical advances are demonstrated and verified by way of press releases. And if the actual press ignores these press releases, why, so much the better. -- cary On Nov 12, 3:16 pm, Thorsten Schier <use...@naturfoto-hamburg.de> wrote: > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Thorsten Perhaps he is lying otherwise or perhaps he knows no peer reviewed responsible journal would accept it According to recent news stories about Sermo, it is a doctor discussion forum and there is no peer review panel that reviews what is said - it is described like a conversation of doctors sitting and talking. I would be very worried about doctors who advocate treatments for which have no scientific backing - they are called quacks. Will see if Dr Chung will prove me wrong by getting his data published by a regular peer reviewed journal, if not then need to wonder if he is a quack and a liar. If past performance is any indication, he will not respond or will just repeat what he always says like an ECHO. >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >group? Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the >results of the study with 625,550 participants? those 625,550 people are the number of Hebrews in the story of exodus that chung falsely believes followed his quackery. >> You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing >> physician and review it. > >So it's not public. How can that count as publishing? > >Thorsten fakeAtlantaCardiologitis@trollandliar.org schrieb: >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > those 625,550 people are the number of Hebrews in the story of exodus > that chung falsely believes followed his quackery. But this cannot really be the case, because the people on this exodus-diet clearly soon displayed all kinds of mental problems (like hearing voices, losing all sense of direction and finally even killing each other because of some golden calf), so noone in their right mind would advocate following a diet with such severe side effects, would they? Thorsten Doctors use peer reviewed medical journals and not google groups, web pages and small self-published books for medical information. I guess ECHO does not have enough confidence in his own work to present for review by fellow doctors. If he really has data on that many patients then how could some like ECHO not get it published in medical journals where doctors in the US and the world will have access to it. Maybe because he knows in his brain, it would never be accepted. When you are sick you want a doctor to use established medical treatment based on a way it has been done for years and years. >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >those 625,550 people are the number of Hebrews in the story of exodus >that chung falsely believes followed his quackery. <http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thre ad/748f6fde898147e9/ff81c582d24dd91f?lnk=gst&q=%22you+promise%22&rnum=3& hl=en> >>> You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing >>> physician and review it. >> >>So it's not public. How can that count as publishing? >> >>Thorsten  SignatureSupreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion", as designated by Brad Guth COOSN-266-06-39716 "Art Deco" <erfc@caballista.org> wrote in message <http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiol ogy/browse_thread/thre ad/748f6fde898147e9/ff81c582d24dd91f?lnk=gst&q=%22 you+promise%22&rnum=3& Shows Deco sucking dick. HJ http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thread/748f6f de898147e9/ff81c582d24dd91f?lnk=gst&q=%22you+promise%22&rnum=3& friend John C wrote: > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > HJ Sockpuppets of satan are best ignored. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD entered into testimony: > Sockpuppets of satan are best ignored. Then you should break all of your mirrors. > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed: Be silent, you k0oK. SignatureUsenet's most helpful netizen Registered owner of alt.culture.alaska chadwickstone at gmail dot com >On Nov 11, 5:58 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >What you need to do is to send them copies of your published studies >that show the effectiveness of your diet and by showing them how it >improves health and reduces the need for medication all of which will >lower costs. Could not hurt to send them to the NIH. I am sure you >still have contacts at Emory - can they help. Emory has disassociated itself with chung and chung is now trying to sell a domain name with their name for upwards of 50K.
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