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ALERT: They're loading your fresh, 'all-natural' chicken with SALT
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RuleOfLaw - 06 Oct 2007 18:57 GMT In the past year or so I've noticed a new, disturbing trend regarding fresh chicken being sold at major supermarkets and supercenters (eg. Super Wal-Mart, Super Target) in California: fresh chicken -- often labelled "all-natural" -- which is in fact loaded with salt.
Typically, the conumser has to look long and hard on the packaging to find any reference to this fact.
This sneaky loading of fresh poultry with sodium is very unethical for a couple of reasons.
In the first instance, the added salt makes the flesh retain water, which adds to its weight, which results in consumers actually paying over $3.00/pound, in some cases (such as in the case of boneless chicken breasts) for the added SALTWATER, not CHICKEN as they naievely think they're paying for.
The added salt may also lengthen the shelf life of the "fresh" chicken.
But the unethicalness -- even immorality -- of this scam can also have deadly consequences: For example, if someone who suffers from very high blood pressure buys and consumes such adulterated chicken, unaware that it's been pre-loaded with salt, it's very conceivable that they may suffer a stroke, heart attack or other critical, if not deadly, episode as a consequence.
As we approach Thanksgiving it looks like Americans concerned about reducing sodium intake not only have to continue their annual hunt for turkeys not pre-loaded with weight-adding "saline solutions" (does hugely processed, misnamed "Butterball" ring a bell?) but now must bring magnifying glasses -- and lots of time to waste -- to the market year-round in order to scan every square centimeter of every package of "fresh, all-natural" chicken they consider buying lest, once home, they discover it's been adulterated with God-knows-how-many ounces of unhealthy -- but very profitable -- SALTWATER.
Jerry Okamura - 06 Oct 2007 19:10 GMT I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. I would also think that salt would slow down the ability of bacteria to form on the chicken. If I am right, then what would you prefer, would be my question. Chicken that spoils before it can be sold, cannot be sold. Then the cost of chicken would rise, wouldn't it?
> In the past year or so I've noticed a new, disturbing trend > regarding fresh chicken being sold at major supermarkets and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > they discover it's been adulterated with God-knows-how-many ounces of > unhealthy -- but very profitable -- SALTWATER. toci - 06 Oct 2007 19:27 GMT > I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. I would > also think that salt would slow down the ability of bacteria to form on the [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - But, even so, don't you want to know? Toci
sordo @ privacy.org - 06 Oct 2007 19:52 GMT >> I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. I would >> also think that salt would slow down the ability of bacteria to form on the [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >But, even so, don't you want to know? Toci Check out the contents of the next ham you buy.
Don Klipstein - 07 Oct 2007 05:55 GMT <SNIP mainly stuff on added salt with more than 2 quote symbols>
>>But, even so, don't you want to know? Toci > >Check out the contents of the next ham you buy. I have read enough newspapers to know that ham generally comes from outfits that claim that salt is necessary to form ham, or at least what manages to sell as "ham".
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What else is loaded with salt:
* Most canned meat and seafood, most canned soups, most canned pasta, and most canned prepared meals. One notable exception is "low sodium" tuna where they charge a goodly 50 cents-plus a can more to not add close to 400 milligrams of sodium per 5.5 or 6 or so ounce can.
* Flavor packets in all kinds of what I think of as "boxed dinners", soup powders, most gravy, etc. I think one would do well by tossing about 60% of the "flavor packet" in the trash. If you are up to identifying any of the seasonings significantly used in the "flavor packet" and re-add them individually from scratch, you will do well.
One bit of advice: Most good healthy soup is made from scratch!
Also, the usual cheap "ramen noodles" have content that I best describe as empty calories, added partially hydrogenated fat (which is the main source of "trans fats"), and a salt-laden flavor packet. I say eat a packet or two (while throwing at least half the flavor packlet in the trash or down the drain) in addition to a "healthy diet" if you are a bicycle messenger or you run at least 25 kilometers per week. Also, probably better to substitute with "Mac-&-Cheese" with 50-70% of the flavor packet tossed. Also omit at least half the recommended butter/margarine addition, and the other at-most-half I would replace with a 50-50 mixture of "buttery spread" and olive oil, maybe 60-40 in favor of olive oil - though lean-modified "Mac-&-Cheese" leftovers tend to congeal (still edible to most bicycle messengers in my experience).
* In general, prepacked lunchmeats. Then again, salamis, bolognas and "loaf" type meats generally have more of unhealthier type fat than anything else besides water. Frankfurters and knockwurst rank likewise, with frankfurters as much as "85% fat free" still having a majority of its calories from fat of worse-than-average kind. Other sausages mostly have more fat than anything else besides water, though I can't say that all are also rich in salt.
So far, raw beef cuts (including raw steaks), raw pork cuts, and raw ground beef appear to me to generally lack added salt.
* Most breakfast cereals! The exceptions appear to me to be mainly "puffed grains" and shredded wheat, including "frosted mini wheats". Most others have added salt per ounce to an extent that appears to me to be common practice with potato chips!
* All too much bread! I have found "less offensive" to be Arnold brand "Bakery Light" series, and whenever I have calculated ratio of sodium content to weight or calories, I have generally found that product line to be not as bad as most others. Also, I advise to get "whole wheat" over anything else (whether Arnold "Bakery Light" or otherwise), for higher fiber content and lower ratio of calories to food mass along with some chance of better overall nutrient content.
* Condiments - ketchup, mustard, mayo, most salad dressings, etc! Most mayo is also so rich in fat (in my experience typically soybean oil) as to have more calories per ounce than pure sugar! Find the less-salty salad dressings and use them sparingly if they depend on high oil content. In general, be sparing with condiments! Exception - if you homebrew them to be healthier!
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I am aware that sodium intake does not rank as high for causing high blood pressure as does overweightness/obesity, lack of aerobic exercise, insufficient sleep, and use of drugs that are either stimulants (nicotine, vasoconstrictor decongestants, related weight loss aids, to lesser extent caffeine, stimulant recreational drugs) or ones that make the liver work harder (especially alcohol). However, excessive sodium intake remains a significant cause and/or significant contributing factor to high blood pressure, and is a contributing factor to kidney failure even if blood pressure remains normal.
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- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Jerry Okamura - 07 Oct 2007 00:18 GMT >> I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. I >> would [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > But, even so, don't you want to know? Toci Not really
Ron Peterson - 06 Oct 2007 19:58 GMT > I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. Much more salt would need to be added to act as a preservative.
I have noticed that pork is usually enhanced with sodium phosphate (not sodium chloride). The purpose is to make the meat juicier and more flavorful(?) to make up for the reduced fat in modern pork products.
-- Ron
Don Klipstein - 07 Oct 2007 05:57 GMT >> I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >more flavorful(?) to make up for the reduced fat in modern pork >products. Can you cite some examples of pork products getting leaner recently?
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Jerry Okamura - 07 Oct 2007 20:58 GMT >>> I would think that sellers of chicken use salt as a perservative. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Can you cite some examples of pork products getting leaner recently? I can only tell you what I believe. Since my heart operations, my wife buys basically lean meats (fat being bad for my heart, or so the medical professionals say). Now, I am a guy who use to love to have fat on my meats. I have noticed that today the meats being sold today at supermarkets have very little fat on them (having been trimmed off by the butcher I guess). So, even if I wanted more fat in your food, you cannot buy meats with more fat. As for pork, I used to love pork chops with that nice strip of fat on them....can't find them anymore....at least I haven't seen them sold in supermarkets anymore.
Ron Peterson - 07 Oct 2007 22:26 GMT > In article <1191697117.853736.62...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Ron
> Peterson wrote:
> >I have noticed that pork is usually enhanced with sodium phosphate > >(not sodium chloride). The purpose is to make the meat juicier and > >more flavorful(?) to make up for the reduced fat in modern pork > >products.
> Can you cite some examples of pork products getting leaner recently? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_chop makes the claim.
-- Ron
nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net - 06 Oct 2007 23:19 GMT > In the past year or so I've noticed a new, disturbing trend > regarding fresh chicken being sold at major supermarkets and > supercenters (eg. Super Wal-Mart, Super Target) Supermarkets and supercenters are little more than chemical wastedumps. People who shop at these places deserve to be poisoned. Natural selection hard at work.
Florida - 07 Oct 2007 02:23 GMT On Oct 6, 6:19 pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:
> > In the past year or so I've noticed a new, disturbing trend > > regarding fresh chicken being sold at major supermarkets and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wastedumps. People who shop at these places deserve to be > poisoned. Natural selection hard at work. Hard lines, especially for the little ones who eat what their parents buy for them. So much for chicken as the perfect quick-convenient-easytocook ingredient. We're going to end up eating like the people in those places where they eat a little pasta, a lot of veggies and live forever, a long long boring life.
Benj - 07 Oct 2007 08:59 GMT <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:
> Supermarkets and supercenters are little more than chemical > wastedumps. People who shop at these places deserve to be > poisoned. Natural selection hard at work. Just so. Of course the salt in the chicken helps kill all the excess salmonella growing there! Did anyone see the 60 Minutes piece of chicken processing plants back a few years ago? Let me tell you if you saw that you'd NEVER eat ANY chicken again unless you personally chased it around the yard with an axe! Automated machines for cleaning chickens that insure they get feces all over the carcass. And then being rinsed in what they termed a "fecal soup" to "clean" them off! Yuk! Like I said. One look at that mess and you'd NEVER eat a chicken from a processing plant again!
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