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Truly high doses (up to 40 000 IU per day) of vitamin D for MS victims

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com - 01 Oct 2007 16:35 GMT
Am J Clin Nutr. 2007 Sep;86(3):645-51.

Safety of vitamin D3 in adults with multiple sclerosis.

Kimball SM, Ursell MR, O'connor P, Vieth R.

Department of Nutritional Sciences,
University of Toronto,
Toronto, Canada.

BACKGROUND:
Vitamin D(3) may have therapeutic potential in several
diseases, including multiple sclerosis. High doses of
vitamin D(3) may be required for therapeutic efficacy,
and yet tolerability-in the present context, defined
as the serum concentration of 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D]
that does not cause hypercalcemia-remains poorly
characterized.

OBJECTIVE:
The objective of the study was to characterize the
calcemic response to specific serum 25(OH)D
concentrations. DESIGN: In a 28-wk protocol,
12 patients in an active phase of multiple sclerosis
were given 1200 mg elemental Ca/d along with progressively
increasing doses of vitamin D(3): from 700 to 7000 mug/wk
(from 28 000 to 280 000 IU/wk).

RESULTS:
Mean (+/- SD) serum concentrations of 25(OH)D
initially were 78 +/- 35 nmol/L and rose to
386 +/- 157 nmol/L (P < 0.001). Serum calcium
concentrations and the urinary ratio of calcium
to creatinine neither increased in mean values
nor exceeded reference values for any participant
(2.1-2.6 mmol/L and <1.0, respectively).
Liver enzymes, serum creatinine, electrolytes,
serum protein, and parathyroid hormone did not
change according to Bonferroni repeated-measures
statistics, although parathyroid hormone did decline
significantly according to the paired t test.
Disease progression and activity were not affected,
but the number of gadolinium-enhancing lesions per
patient (assessed with a nuclear magnetic brain scan)
decreased from the initial mean of 1.75 to the
end-of-study mean of 0.83 (P = 0.03).

CONCLUSIONS:
Patients' serum 25(OH)D concentrations reached
twice the top of the physiologic range without
eliciting hypercalcemia or hypercalciuria.
The data support the feasibility of pharmacologic
doses of vitamin D(3) for clinical research, and
they provide objective evidence that vitamin D
intake beyond the current upper limit is safe
by a large margin.

PMID: 17823429
ironjustice@aol.com - 01 Oct 2007 17:46 GMT
>>On Oct 1, 8:35 am, trigonometry1...@gmail.com wrote:The data support the feasibility of pharmacologic
doses of vitamin D(3) for clinical research <<

I wonder what the dose / absorption rate would be if the D3 was
administered with lecithin .. since lecithin enhances most things by a
large margin .. ?

AND most especially .. why .. D3 works.

I wonder at what point can D3 be actually **seen** to BE an effective
iron .. chelator .. since iron depletes D3 and iron depletion raises
D3 ..
What significance is the fact in those with iron overload  vitamin D
is decreased .. in those with
supplemental iron induced iron overload .. vitamin D is decreased.

Bleeding / venesection / bloodletting / phlebotomy .. RESTORES ..
vitamin D3 .

<<snip>>
The results reveal that the low serum 25-OHD concentration in
patients
with hemochromatosis is directly related to the extent of iron
loading
and it is improved by venesection therapy.
<<snip>>

Iron induced decreased vitamin D.

<<snip>>
when transferrin is saturated with iron, may impair bone formation
and
aggravate osteomalacia.
<<snip>>

Saccharated ferric oxide (SFO)-induced osteomalacia: in vitro
inhibition by SFO of bone formation and 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D
production in renal tubules.
Sato K, Nohtomi K, Demura H, Takeuchi A, Kobayashi T, Kazama J, Ozawa
H
Bone. 1997 Jul ; 21(1): 57-64

A 60-year-old man with portal hypertensive gastropathy due to type C
liver cirrhosis developed severe bone pains, marked hypophosphatemia
with inappropriately increased urinary excretion of phosphate (%TRP;
9.6%), and hyperalkaline phosphatasia, after intravenous
administration
of saccharated ferric oxide (SFO) at a dose of 80-240 mg/week over a
period of more than 5 years. The total iron infused was estimated to
be
more than 25 g. On a diagnosis of SFO-induced osteomalacia, the
infusion of iron was immediately discontinued, and phosphate and
vitamin D2 (1000 IU/day) were administered. Serum levels of 25-OHD2
increased after 1 week, whereas levels of 1,25-(OH)2D2 did not
increase
until 3 months later, accompanied by improvement of renal tubular
reabsorption of phosphate and gradual improvement of the bone pains.
The patient has been doing well for the last 2 years, with normal
serum
levels of phosphate, calcium, and alkaline phosphatase, without any
supplementation of phosphate, vitamin D, or iron-containing agents.
In
primary culture of neonatal mouse renal tubules, in which 1,25-
(OH)2D3
was produced from 25-OHD3 in response to PTH, SFO significantly
inhibited PTH-induced production of 1,25-(OH)2D3 at 30 mumol/L, which
is attainable in the urine of patients receiving a therapeutic
intravenous dose of SFO. Furthermore, SFO decreased the calcium
content
and inhibited 45Ca incorporation in cultured fetal mouse parietal
bones
at 3 mumol/L. Such SFO concentration may be transiently observed in
the
plasma of patients receiving excessive intravenous doses of SFO for a
prolonged period. These in vitro findings together with the clinical
observations suggest that SFO, after filtration through the
glomerulus
and reabsorption in the proximal renal tubules, impaired proximal
renal
tubular function, such as tubular reabsorption of phosphate and 1
alpha-hydroxylase activity, leading to hypophosphatemic osteomalacia.
Furthermore, it is highly likely that SFO in the peripheral blood,
when
transferrin is saturated with iron, may impair bone formation and
aggravate osteomalacia. Although SFO-induced osteomalacia is
reversible
simply by discontinuation of the agent, excessive and prolonged
administration of SFO should be avoided.

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1: Gastroenterology. 1985 Apr;88(4):865-9. Related Articles, Links

Low serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D in hereditary hemochromatosis: relation
to iron status.

Chow LH, Frei JV, Hodsman AB, Valberg LS.

Under normal conditions, vitamin D absorbed from the diet or
synthesized in the skin is transported to the liver where it
undergoes
hydroxylation. The purpose of this study was to determine whether
excess hepatic iron affects this process and the subsequent
production
of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (1,25-[OH]2D) in the kidney. Mean serum
25-hydroxyvitamin D (25-OHD) concentrations in untreated hereditary
hemochromatosis were 13 +/- 6 (SD) in 9 patients with cirrhosis, 13
+/-
6 in 5 patients with hepatic fibrosis, and 22 +/- 6 in 10 patients
with
normal hepatic architecture aside from siderosis and were
significantly
lower than the levels found in 24 controls matched for age, sex, and
season, p less than 0.05. The mean serum 25-OHD levels in the two
groups with hemochromatosis and hepatic damage were significantly
lower
than the value in the group with normal hepatic architecture, p less
than 0.05. Serum 25-OHD levels in individual patients were inversely
related to the size of body iron stores as measured by exchangeable
body iron, r = -0.64, or serum ferritin, r = -0.47, p less than 0.05.
In 15 patients removal of excess body iron by venesection therapy
produced a significant increase in the mean serum 25-OHD from 20 ng/
ml
to 30 ng/ml, p less than 0.05. In contrast, mean serum 1,25-[OH]2D
levels were similar in iron-loaded and control subjects, indicating
that the regulation of this metabolite was intact in patients with
hemochromatosis. The results reveal that the low serum 25-OHD
concentration in patients with hemochromatosis is directly related to
the extent of iron loading and it is improved by venesection therapy.

PMID: 3838288 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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http://health.enotes.com/genetic-disorders-encyclopedia/major-histoco...

Major histocompatibility complex

HLA disease associations
Disease  MHC allele  Approximate relative risk

Ankylosing spondylitis  B27  77?90
Patients with ankylosing spondylitis may have extremely low levels of
25(OH)D.
http://tinyurl.com/8tonv
Celiac disease  DR3 + DR7  5?10
A low 25-(OH)D vitamin concentration was a typical biochemical
abnormality in our patients (64% of men and 71% of women).
http://tinyurl.com/b7b9d
Diabetes, Type 1  DR3  5
decreased zinc and 25OHD serum levels in poorly controlled
insulin-dependent (Type I) diabetic patients
http://tinyurl.com/73fsu
Diabetes, Type 1  DR4  5?7
Diabetes, Type 1  DR3 + DR4  20?40
Graves disease  DR3  5
[High prevalence of secondary hyperparathyroidism due to vitamin D
insufficiency in Graves' disease]
http://www.hubmed.org/search.cgi?q=25-hydroxyvitamin+D+and+graves
Hemochromatosis  A3  6?20
Lupus  DR3  1?3
There was a high prevalence of hypovitaminosis D (65.2%),
http://tinyurl.com/8wfws
Multiple sclerosis  DR2  2?4
Vitamin D Defends Against MS
http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/516850.html
Myasthenia gravis  B8  2.5?4
Psoriasis vulgaris  Cw6  8
These data suggest that exogenous active forms of vitamin D3 are
effective for treatment of psoriasis and that the endogenous
1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D level also may be involved in the development
of this skin disease.
http://tinyurl.com/9c88e
Rheumatoid arthritis  DR4  3?6
We suggest that there is a disturbance in vitamin D metabolism in RA.
http://tinyurl.com/df6zv
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Prabhala, A., R. Garg, and P. Dandona,
Severe myopathy associated with vitamin D deficiency in western New
York.
Arch Intern Med, 2000. 160(8): p. 1199-203.
Five cases of severe myopathy associated with vitamin D deficiency
are
described. Each patient was confined to a wheelchair because of
weakness and immobility. Two were elderly, 1 was a 37-year-old
African
American with type 1 diabetes mellitus, 1 was being treated for
carcinoid syndrome, and 1 was severely malnourished due to poor oral
intake. In each, weakness had previously been attributed to other
causes, including old age, concomitant diabetic neuropathy, or
general
debility. Correct diagnosis was made initially by a high index of
suspicion, following the demonstration of clinical proximal myopathy;
confirmation was made by the demonstration of low 25-hydroxyvitamin D
and elevated parathyroid hormone concentrations. Treatment with
vitamin
D caused a resolution of body aches and pains and a restoration of
normal muscle strength in 4 to 6 weeks. Four patients became fully
mobile and had normal 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and the
fifth
also became mobile. In the 4 fully recovered cases, parathyroid
hormone
levels on follow-up were lower but still elevated. This finding
suggests a degree of autonomy of parathyroid secretion known to occur
in cases of long-standing vitamin D deficiency. Myopathy, due to
chronic vitamin D deficiency, probably contributes to immobility and
ill health in a significant number of patients in the northern United
States. An awareness of this condition may significantly improve
mobility and quality of life in patient populations vulnerable to
vitamin D deficiency.

Who loves ya.
Tom

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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> Am J Clin Nutr. 2007 Sep;86(3):645-51.
>
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>
> PMID: 17823429
trigonometry1972@gmail.com - 02 Oct 2007 02:53 GMT
Nope, that is not how it works. You are reaching.

I suppose lecithin would be of benefit For SOME people
in absorbing fat soluble vitamins. However, you have
to take vitamin D3 supplement in the first place.

Follow your own advice and bleed yourself and then
tell us how light headed you feel.

Not everthing is iron.

<snip>

> I wonder at what point can D3 be actually **seen** to BE an effective
> iron .. chelator .. since iron depletes D3 and iron depletion raises

<snip>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
ironjustice@aol.com - 02 Oct 2007 18:13 GMT
>> On Oct 1, 6:53 pm, trigonometry1...@gmail.com wrote:
Nope, that is not how it works. You are reaching. <<

You are saying vitamin D3 given in high doses does NOT decrease NTBI /
nontransferrin bound iron .. ?

Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 993:313-324 (2003)
? 2003 New York Academy of Sciences

Systemic Vitamin D3 Attenuated Oxidative Injuries in the Locus
Coeruleus of Rat Brain

KUEN-BOR CHENa, ANYA MAAN-YUH LINb AND TSAI-HSIEN CHIUa

aDepartment of Physiology, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei,
Taiwan
bDepartment of Medical Research and Education, Veterans General
Hospital-Taipei, Taipei, Taiwan

Address for correspondence: Anya M.-Y. Lin or Tsai-Hsien Chiu,
Department of Medical Research and Education, Veterans General
Hospital-Taipei, Taipei, Taiwan. Voice: 886-2-28712121x2688; fax:
886-2-28751562.
myalin@vghtpe.gov.tw
Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 993: 313-324 (2003).

Iron-induced oxidative injuries in locus coeruleus (LC), a major
source of noradrenergic projections in the central nervous system
(CNS), were investigated in chloral-hydrate anesthetized rats. Local
infusion of iron dose-dependently elevated lipid peroxidation of iron-
infused LC seven days after infusion. At the same time, norepinephrine
content in the hippocampus ipsilateral to the iron-infused LC was
decreased in a concentration-dependent manner. Our immunostaining
study demonstrated reduced tyrosine hydroxylase-positive neurons in
the iron-infused LC, indicating a reduction of neuron number by iron
infusion. The involvement of apoptosis in iron-induced oxidative
injuries was studied. An abrupt increase in cytosolic cytochrome c
content was demonstrated in the infused LC 48 hours after iron
infusion. TUNEL-positive cells, an indication of apoptosis, were
detected in the iron-infused LC. In an attempt to prevent iron-induced
neurotoxicity, vitamin D3, an active metabolite of vitamin D, was
systemically administered. Iron-induced increases in cytosolic
cytochrome c and TUNEL-positive cells were reduced by this treatment.
Furthermore, systemic administration of vitamin D3 attenuated iron-
induced oxidative injuries in the infused LC. Our data suggest that
local infusion of iron in LC induced oxidative stress and resulted in
programmed cell death in the LC-hippocampal noradrenergic system.
Furthermore, vitamin D3 may be neuroprotective and therapeutic in
attenuating iron-induced neurotoxicity in CNS.

Key Words: iron ? oxidative injuries ? locus coeruleus ? hippocampus ?
apoptosis ? neuroprotection ? vitamin D3

>> On Oct 1, 6:53 pm, trigonometry1...@gmail.com wrote:
Not everthing is iron. <<

Ah .. I see ..

There is more to you than meets the .. eye ..

It seems you have .. **specifically** come to some type of conclusion
about .. **iron** .. have ya ..

Based on .. study and intelligence ..

And you don't know what HFE .. means .. ?

You don't know what HFE .. means ..

Heh .. heh ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
california_chief - 03 Oct 2007 06:01 GMT
pussy tommy wrote:

> Systemic Vitamin D3 Attenuated Oxidative Injuries in the Locus Coeruleus
of Rat Brain

pussy tommy's brain was rejected.  It was too corrupted.

... Don't tell pussy tommy's mother he's keyboarding on the usenet.
... She still thinks he's the piano player in a whorehouse.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com - 04 Oct 2007 11:23 GMT
Ironinjustice, you did not read the abstract did you?

The additional vitamin D  reduced the damage from the
infused free iron. It wasn't the iron reducing the vitamin D at least
not in this instance. Nor is this evidence that normal level
of iron lower vitamin D.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com - 04 Oct 2007 11:29 GMT
Not everyone is prone to iron overload. It is true, people
should be concerned about the topic given its frequency.
Just as people should be concerned about celiac disease
given its frequency. But not everything is solved by looking
at iron.
california_chief - 03 Oct 2007 05:57 GMT
pussy tommy wrote:

> Bleeding / venesection / bloodletting / phlebotomy .. RESTORES ..vitamin
D3 .

When are you going to slit your throat?

... pussy tommy reminds me of London -- always in a fog.
 
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