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The Autism Explosion - Another Govt Conspiracy???

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 01 Oct 2007 05:38 GMT
Autistic people are trusting types who do not understand lies and
deception and accept whatever they are told.  And yet many of them, like
those with Asperger's syndrome, are intelligent and highly skilled. They
are best exemplified by the millions of americans who still accept
Bush's preposterous arab conspiracy theory for 9-11.  They are the
perfect worker drones for the New World Order gang .
David Johnston - 01 Oct 2007 06:42 GMT
>Autistic people are trusting types who do not understand lies and
>deception and accept whatever they are told.  And yet many of them, like
>those with Asperger's syndrome, are intelligent and highly skilled. They
>are best exemplified by the millions of americans who still accept
>Bush's preposterous arab conspiracy theory for 9-11.  

You're claiming that there are hundreds of millions of autistic people
in the United States?
B1ackwater - 04 Oct 2007 21:58 GMT
>>Autistic people are trusting types who do not understand lies and
>>deception and accept whatever they are told.  And yet many of them, like
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>You're claiming that there are hundreds of millions of autistic people
>in the United States?  

  The 'liberal elite' view EVERYONE as stupid little "children" -
  and plan to treat them accordingly.

  As for autistics ... no, they're NOT automatically trusting.
  Aspergers, you and I may *be* one of them, they're 98% like
  "normal" (whatever "normal" is) and they're certainly not
  prone to foolishly trusting anyone.
David Johnston - 05 Oct 2007 05:42 GMT
>>>Autistic people are trusting types who do not understand lies and
>>>deception and accept whatever they are told.  And yet many of them, like
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>   The 'liberal elite' view EVERYONE as stupid little "children" -
>   and plan to treat them accordingly.

That person is not a liberal.  Wanting all Mexicans killed on sight is
not a liberal position.
David Wright - 05 Oct 2007 04:48 GMT
>Autistic people are trusting types who do not understand lies and
>deception and accept whatever they are told.

Oh, not always.  I remember reading about a group of autistic adults
who were watching Nixon talk (during Watergate) and were laughing
their heads off because they could see his body language was
completely at variance with what he was saying.  Autistic people do
perceive things differently from the rest of us. For example, they're
never fooled by those "optical illusion" puzzles where you have two
lines that are the same length but look different.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
     Barbra Streisand."               -- Bill Maher
PhilO - 05 Oct 2007 13:00 GMT
told.

> completely at variance with what he was saying.  Autistic people do
> perceive things differently from the rest of us. For example, they're
> never fooled by those "optical illusion" puzzles where you have two
> lines that are the same length but look different.

I was dating a mother of an autistic 14 year old , we took him too a hands
on science museum . There was a print of a Paris street  underneath was
printed  " I love Paris in the the Spring "   his mom and I read it over and
over , he walked up and read both of the  ' the's  ' that me and his mom
both missed even after several attempts .
B1ackwater - 06 Oct 2007 21:22 GMT
>told.
>
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>over , he walked up and read both of the  ' the's  ' that me and his mom
>both missed even after several attempts .

  I came across mention of that kind of thing in some science mags
  awhile back. Autistics can't "go with the flow" quite so well,
  don't see the 'gestalt',  and instead take things apart. They
  typical trick of inserting an extra 'a' or 'the' in a sentence,
  generally on a seperate line, doesn't fool them. WE see the
  sentence as a complete idea, almost as if it was one word, but
  the autistic sees it as distinct individual words - which he
  may have considerable difficulty assembling into a single idea.

  There was a related story of an autistic who went to see a
  psych prof at a universtity once a week. Sometimes he would
  navigate to the correct room perfectly, other times he would
  get hopelessly lost. The question was why.

  It was eventually solved. If he arrived at the same time of
  day as when he was first brought there then he'd navigate
  properly, but if he was delivered at an earlier or later hour
  the shadows would be different and the scene would be totally
  unfamiliar, as if it were a different campus entirely. He could
  not "abstract" the scene and filter out irrelevant nuances.
  EVERYTHING was "relevant" so far as he was concerned. One
  thing out of place and he couldn't cope.

  He  was following a precise 'map' in his head, a landmark map,
  but the details had to line-up perfectly or he could not identify
  the landmarks. It's as if you asked directions and were told to
  go down two blocks and turn left at the blue Wachovia bank
  building ... but the bank had been re-painted yellow last
  week or the speaker was mistaken and it was really a  Bank
  of America. You'd be looking and looking ... but it would
  take quite awhile to suspect the truth and compensate. The
  mental image, 'map', the direction-giver put in your head
  would not be easily altered.
B1ackwater - 06 Oct 2007 21:02 GMT
>>Autistic people are trusting types who do not understand lies and
>>deception and accept whatever they are told.
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>never fooled by those "optical illusion" puzzles where you have two
>lines that are the same length but look different.

  Both autistic and aspergers people have severe problems
  reading 'body language'. However, that deficit is most
  pronounced when dealing with people one-on-one. If they
  watch people on TV, safely distant and abstracted, many
  are quite good at picking up the usual nuances. I suspect
  that dealing with a live human somehow 'overloads' their
  imperfectly-developed systems ... rather like the fact
  that most stutterers don't stutter if they're talking
  to themselves or a pet when nobody else is around.

  "W" shows signs of this 'overload syndrome' when facing
  crowds or TV cameras. Those who know him say he's quite
  different in a smaller, more private, setting - not a
  fumblemouth at all.
 
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