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anaccount15@hotmail.com - 26 Aug 2007 00:22 GMT
I have OCD. I have had blurry vision for about three months. A couple
of weeks ago I also got pain in the eyes and swollen feet. I also had
some pain when I touched my feet or stretched my toes. I went to the
doctor who took some blood tests. All were ok.

Now I still have swollen feet and blurred vision. The pain in the eyes
is gone but I think I see even blurrier than before. My eyes are also
dry and itch sometimes.

But I also have some other problems. I noticed a while ago I have
kinda a problem reading. I sometimes have to read sentences several
times and I get words wrong. I have never experienced this before.
Today I also noticed I have problems drawing things. It isn't as easy
as before. What could be causing this? I'm 38 years old.

I take some medications. 45mg Remeron, 50mg Seroquel and Imovane. I
think I have been on Seroquel for about six months and a little less
on Remeron. I took 100mg Seroquel in the beginning but lowered it some
weeks ago.
Dr. Dre - 26 Aug 2007 01:12 GMT
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:

> I have OCD.

Tom Widiger, who served as head of research for the American Psychiatric
Association's DSM-IV, points out, “There are lots of studies which show
that clinicians diagnose most of their patients with one particular
disorder and really don’t systematically assess for other disorders. They
have a bias in reference to the disorder that they are especially
interested in treating and believe that most of their patients have.”

-- http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/03/050103fa_fact

> I have had blurry vision for about three months. A couple of weeks ago I
> also got pain in the eyes and swollen feet. I also had some pain when I
> touched my feet or stretched my toes. I went to the doctor who took some
> blood tests.

Which blood tests did he order?

> All were ok.

> Now I still have swollen feet and blurred vision. The pain in the eyes
> is gone but I think I see even blurrier than before. My eyes are also
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> noticed I have problems drawing things. It isn't as easy as before. What
> could be causing this?

Psychiatric meds cause every adverse effect under the sun. I'd look here
to see what effects your meds are known to cause:

http://www.rxlist.com/

> I'm 38 years old.
>
> I take some medications. 45mg Remeron, 50mg Seroquel and Imovane. I
> think I have been on Seroquel for about six months and a little less on
> Remeron. I took 100mg Seroquel in the beginning but lowered it some
> weeks ago.

Can you discontinue the meds and see if your condition improves?

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indomitable2 - 26 Aug 2007 03:12 GMT
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
>
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>
> http://www.rxlist.com/

Atypical antipsychotics like Seroquel cause diabetes...

Diabetes can impair vision/cause blindness

Just a thought

>> I'm 38 years old.
>>
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>
> Can you discontinue the meds and see if your condition improves?
anaccount15@hotmail.com - 27 Aug 2007 02:29 GMT
> Atypical antipsychotics like Seroquel cause diabetes...
>
> Diabetes can impair vision/cause blindness
>
> Just a thought

My doctor said I don't have diabetes after he checked the blood tests.
Erik the Red - 27 Aug 2007 06:24 GMT
Seroquel is also thought to cause glaucoma? or cataracts? earlier than
one might anyway.  You might want to have your eyes checked.  I was in
a study for just that reason.
Cymbal Man Freq. - 26 Aug 2007 05:06 GMT
Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally ill, then
signs the budget. Counties and cities can fund it, an aide says.
By Scott Gold, Lee Romney and Evan Halper, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
August 25, 2007

SACRAMENTO -- Making good on a promise to trim the state budget, Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger eliminated a $55-million program Friday that advocates say has
helped thousands of mentally ill homeless people break the costly cycle of
hospitalization, jails and street life.

The program was one of many high-profile initiatives left in the ashes of the
Legislature's bitter budget dispute, which stalled Sacramento for much of the
last two months.

The impasse lifted Tuesday after Senate Republicans ended their blockade. They
won few concessions, except a promise from the governor to veto $700 million
from the general fund in an effort to address the state's operating deficit.

Schwarzenegger delivered Friday, citing the state's need for a "prudent
reserve," then signing the $145.5-billion budget -- more than seven weeks past
the state's July 1 deadline.

Among the cuts: $1.3 million to track hospital efforts to eliminate infections,
which kill more than 7,000 Californians a year; $30 million for state parks; and
$6 million to compel drug manufacturers to discount medicines for lower-income
people.

Schwarzenegger ordered state health officials to find more than $6 million in
other parts of the budget to keep the drug program alive, but the cuts will
delay the website the state was going to set up to tell consumers which
discounts were available.

He also struck a $17.4-million plan to protect seniors.

The overhaul of the state's conservatorship system was approved last year after
an investigation in The Times that detailed how a system intended to protect
seniors was plagued with fraud and abuse.

At the time, top Schwarzenegger officials said the overhaul demonstrated his
determination to protect the elderly. Assemblyman Dave Jones (D-Sacramento), who
championed the reform effort, said the money was "critical to preventing
horrendous abuses of our most frail and vulnerable seniors."

None of the cuts elicited a more virulent outcry than the elimination of the
program for the homeless mentally ill.

The program had been on the chopping block all summer. Advocates, including the
architects of California's effort to overhaul its troubled mental health system,
had staged a furious lobbying effort to stave off the cut.

But in justifying it, Department of Finance spokesman H.D. Palmer said local
governments should step in instead. "We believe if these programs are a priority
to counties, they have resources available to them to provide funding," he said.

Counties across the state, however, are facing the slow erosion of their
traditional mental health budgets; state Sen. Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento),
who created the just-eliminated program in 1999, called the cut
"unconscionable."

He noted that despite the allegedly strapped conditions of the state,
legislators managed to preserve a tax break for some purchasers of yachts,
planes and recreational vehicles -- a measure that could cost the state as much
as $45 million.

"A $45-million tax break for yacht owners stays in the budget," Steinberg said.
"And a nationally recognized, incredibly effective program to end homelessness
for those living with mental illness gets thrown under the bus."

The program served as the blueprint for Proposition 63, the 1% "millionaires'
tax" established to overhaul the mental health system. It is known as Integrated
Services for Homeless Adults with Serious Mental Illness or "AB 2034," after the
bill that created it.

Built to expand services beyond traditional outpatient care, the program
incorporates job training, housing assistance, even, at times, grocery-buying
skills and dental care Schwarzenegger praised the program three years ago for
creating "significant savings at the local level."

It has served 13,000 people since November 1999. There are about 4,700 participa
nts today. Among those enrolled as of January, there were 81% fewer days of
incarceration, 65% fewer days of psychiatric hospitalization and 76% fewer days
of homelessness compared with their pre-enrollment days.

Rusty Selix, executive director of the California Council of Community Mental
Health Agencies -- like Steinberg, a Proposition 63 coauthor -- said the cost of
incarceration can be six times higher than the cost of enrolling someone in the
mental health program.

"Rehabilitation costs money. But it's worth it," said Adrienne Sheff, director
of adult services at the San Fernando Valley Community Mental Health Center in
Van Nuys. Los Angeles County receives nearly a third of the state funds through
AB 2034 and serves 1,700 people.

Clients getting jobs and housing -- I would rather see that for my tax dollar
than I would want to see them roaming the streets," she said. "Once you harness
their survivor skills, we have found that we can do wonders."

Several lawmakers at the center of the budget dispute did not return phone calls
or could not be reached. They included Senate Republican Leader Dick Ackerman of
Irvine -- a yacht owner who pushed to ease the tax burden on owners of yachts,
planes and RVs.

An Ackerman spokesman said the senator was unavailable. In a statement, Ackerman
said California was still facing a large budget deficit next year. The state, he
said, must "start addressing next year's problem today."

Advocates have pledged to sue the state over the cut to the mental health
program.

The voter-approved Proposition 63 forbade the state from dropping below its 2004
funding commitments to mental health. That provision was intended to prevent the
state from cutting with one hand while funding with the other -- a pattern that
would neutralize an effort that advocates hope will mark a landmark turn in
mental health.

A lawsuit probably would say the state violated that measure by slashing the
program.

Proposition 63 also bars counties from using the new money to backfill old
programs, meaning they can't respond to the cut by using Proposition 63 money
instead. Yet in pushing for the cut, the administration has suggested that
Proposition 63 -- which is generating hundreds of millions of dollars -- could
cushion the blow. Palmer, the Department of Finance spokesman, said Friday that
counties could use many funding sources, including Proposition 63, to provide
similar services.

County mental health directors have contended that such a move would place them
in violation of the ballot measure.

Department of Finance Director Mike Genest denied that the administration was
trying to use Proposition 63 to fund existing programs. "The primary reason for
doing this is to save money," he said.

If the cut lands the state in court, the battle could take years. Across the
state, those who used to be homeless are already feeling the pinch.

Paul Culp, 46, a college graduate overwhelmed by untreated bipolar disorder, was
living under a Tehama County bridge when he was enrolled in the homeless
mentally ill program. Two years later, he has been reunited with his children
and is supporting himself.

"This program saved me from dying," he said. "I had that to fall back on and now
I don't. Things seem to be going well, but it just takes one crisis to change
that."
Dr. Dre - 26 Aug 2007 05:26 GMT
> Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally ill, then
> signs the budget. Counties and cities can fund it, an aide says.
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> Among the cuts: $1.3 million to track hospital efforts to eliminate infections,
> which kill more than 7,000 Californians a year;

Let Consumer Reports do it; know need for government here.

> $30 million for state
> parks; and $6 million to compel drug manufacturers to discount medicines
> for lower-income people.

That leaves citizens with more money for donating to charities, to help
poor people, if they choose. When the government gets involved with
helping poor people, it tends to act irrationally, and tries to make
everyone live forever, which only causes overpopulation, which only causes
increased human illness and suffering, oil-depletion, and pollution.

Nice idea, trying to use government to make everyone live forever, but
ultimately self-defeating.

> Schwarzenegger ordered state health officials to find more than $6
> million in other parts of the budget to keep the drug program alive, but
> the cuts will delay the website the state was going to set up to tell
> consumers which discounts were available.
>
> He also struck a $17.4-million plan to protect seniors.

Well it's not very nice to use up all the oil and create pollution just to
keep seniors alive today, when that leaves a grim future for younger
generations, is it? Why should seniors be allowed to steal life from
future generations? It's really very despicable.

> The overhaul of the state's conservatorship system was approved last
> year after an investigation in The Times that detailed how a system
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> and now I don't. Things seem to be going well, but it just takes one
> crisis to change that."

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David Wright - 27 Aug 2007 03:26 GMT
>> Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally
>ill, then
>> signs the budget. Counties and cities can fund it, an aide says.
>> By Scott Gold, Lee Romney and Evan Halper, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
>> August 25, 2007

>> Among the cuts: $1.3 million to track hospital efforts to eliminate
>> infections,
>> which kill more than 7,000 Californians a year;
>
>Let Consumer Reports do it; know need for government here.

Oh, yeah -- Consumer Reports has millions of dollars lying around to
do jobs like that, and the power to compel hospitals to cough up the
data whether they want to or not.  Hahahahaha.

Dre, you are such an idiot.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
     Barbra Streisand."               -- Bill Maher
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 03:40 GMT
>>> Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally
>>ill, then
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> Oh, yeah -- Consumer Reports has millions of dollars lying around to do
> jobs like that,

You missed the part about the $1.3 million dollar tax cut? Which
leaves taxpayers an extra $1.3 million to pay Consumer Reports.. duh....

> and the power to compel hospitals to cough up the data whether they want
> to or not.  Hahahahaha.

What kind of idiot would go to a hospital that declines to disclose this
info to Consumer Reports? Just your kind, apparently; so it would be a
system that works for the better.

> Dre, you are such an idiot.

Why are you always so emotional about me?

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David Wright - 27 Aug 2007 03:44 GMT
>>>> Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally
>>>ill, then
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>You missed the part about the $1.3 million dollar tax cut? Which
>leaves taxpayers an extra $1.3 million to pay Consumer Reports.. duh....

Oh, you're going to compel the taxpayers to give money to Consumer
Reports?  I thought you were opposed to that kind of thing.

>> and the power to compel hospitals to cough up the data whether they want
>> to or not.  Hahahahaha.
>
>What kind of idiot would go to a hospital that declines to disclose this
>info to Consumer Reports? Just your kind, apparently; so it would be a
>system that works for the better.

Many people wind up at hospitals in emergency situations because they
are the closest.  We're not talking about shopping for a new car here.

>> Dre, you are such an idiot.
>
>Why are you always so emotional about me?

What's emotional about saying that you are an idiot?  It's a simple
statement of fact, like saying that ice is cold.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
     Barbra Streisand."               -- Bill Maher
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 04:04 GMT
>>>>> Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally
>>>>ill, then
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> Oh, you're going to compel the taxpayers to give money to Consumer
> Reports?  I thought you were opposed to that kind of thing.

Oh you're suggesting that $1.3 million is more than people really want to spend on this?

>>> and the power to compel hospitals to cough up the data whether they want
>>> to or not.  Hahahahaha.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>      "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
>       Barbra Streisand."               -- Bill Maher

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Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 04:17 GMT
>>>>> Schwarzenegger kills a $55-million initiative that helps the mentally
>>>>ill, then
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> Many people wind up at hospitals in emergency situations because they
> are the closest.  We're not talking about shopping for a new car here.

Hospitals that divulge data end up where there's consumer-demand for them. Idiot.

>>> Dre, you are such an idiot.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>      "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
>       Barbra Streisand."               -- Bill Maher

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anaccount15@hotmail.com - 27 Aug 2007 02:28 GMT
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
> > I have OCD.

> Which blood tests did he order?

Most of them. All were ok.
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 02:34 GMT
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:28:37 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:

>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
>> > I have OCD.
>
>> Which blood tests did he order?
>
> Most of them. All were ok.

There are hundreds if not thousands of possible blood tests; to order most
of them would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars or more. So I doubt
that, with all due respect.

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marcia - 27 Aug 2007 14:06 GMT
On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
> > > I have OCD.
> > Which blood tests did he order?
>
> Most of them. All were ok.

Don't bother taking advice from "Dr. Dre." He's literally an
adolescent punk on medicaid with an axe to grind against doctors. He
has no medical knowledge, a single-digit IQ, and his logic is
convoluted, as you might expect from a mental midget.
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 14:15 GMT
> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
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> knowledge, a single-digit IQ, and his logic is convoluted, as you might
> expect from a mental midget.

^ She's a retarded stalker, I bet because her daughter is an ugly whore
who works for cheap in old-age homes.

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Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 14:16 GMT
>> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
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> ^ She's a retarded stalker, I bet because her daughter is an ugly whore
> who works for cheap in old-age homes.

which is why her post is pure ad-hominem, evading the actual issue of your
health and blood-results, which she doesn't care about. Selfish bitch
deserves to die, after watching her family raped and tortured.

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marcia - 27 Aug 2007 14:30 GMT
> >> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
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>
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The speaker's credibility is relevant when evaluating how much weight
to give his rantings... er, writings. Unlike Dre, I can't pretend to
know what your problem is, or how to resolve it. I can, however, warn
you whose advice is likely to cause trouble.

You should know "Dr. Dre" aka "Ron" aka "Patty" has stated his hero is
Timothy McVeigh, pretends to be a porn star, has made laughable claims
of attending Harvard and MIT, and was recently reported to the FBI for
threatening to "mass-kill" people. As you can see from his response to
my post, he is a raging lunatic and someone to be avoided.
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 14:37 GMT
>> >> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
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> threatening to "mass-kill" people. As you can see from his response to
> my post, he is a raging lunatic and someone to be avoided.

She's lying, I've threatened nothing, and her accusations are actionable
defamation. She "gets off" on reading about her daughter thrown down on
concrete so hard her head cracks, blood spills out into a puddle, then
finally a shotgun blast to her ugly face; and so she trails after me from
thread to thread.

And why is she afraid of the original-poster divulging which blood-tests
he's been ordered?

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marcia - 27 Aug 2007 14:44 GMT
> >> >> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
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All anyone has to do is check the archives for sci.med to find
evidence of his threat to "mass-kill" people. So much for my lying.

Additionally, there is no point providing information about what blood
tests were ordered in this forum unless Jeff, Robert or Howard
McCollister join the conversation (the only known experts posting here
recently). Dre has no medical knowledge to share, and will only
entreat you to stop trusting physicians, a poor choice.

If your doctor can't determine what's wrong with you, ask for a second
opinion. Human beings are complex organisms; medical issues can
sometimes be difficult and time-consuming to track down. Don't give up.
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 15:00 GMT
>> >> >> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
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> All anyone has to do is check the archives for sci.med to find evidence
> of his threat

She's lying, and her accusations are actionable defamation. She probably
should seek counsel from an attorney.

> to "mass-kill" people. So much for my lying.
>
> Additionally, there is no point providing information about what blood
> tests were ordered in this forum unless Jeff, Robert or Howard
> McCollister join the conversation (the only known experts posting here
> recently).

She's a whore for M.D.'s.

> Dre has no medical knowledge to share,

Agreed, but I really wasn't claiming to have any, except in Marcia's
twisted, obsessive mind.

> and will only
> entreat you to stop trusting physicians, a poor choice.

She's a whore for M.D.'s.

> If your doctor can't determine what's wrong with you, ask for a second
> opinion.

She's trying to send you on a wild-goosechase of finding a competent M.D.,
her only goal being the transfer of money to their bank accounts.

> Human beings are complex organisms;

wtf is she on about now? Jesus Christ.

> medical issues can
> sometimes be difficult and time-consuming to track down. Don't give up.

Jesus f.cking Christ. Of all the insipid prattle I've ever suffered.

Anyway, why is prattling, insipid stalker Marcia afraid of the
original-poster divulging which blood-tests he's been ordered?

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marcia - 27 Aug 2007 15:04 GMT
> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
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Res ipsa loquitur... and I rest my case. :)
Dr. Dre - 27 Aug 2007 15:21 GMT
>> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 9:28 pm, anaccoun...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
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>
> Res ipsa loquitur... and I rest my case. :)

To the original poster: Which blood tests, in specific, did your doctor
order? It matters.

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Dr. Dre - 28 Aug 2007 16:35 GMT
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:28:37 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:

>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
>> > I have OCD.
>
>> Which blood tests did he order?
>
> Most of them.

You're only fooling yourself.

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agung.sawadi - 28 Aug 2007 16:41 GMT
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:28:37 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
> >> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:
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Quiet Neighbor - 26 Aug 2007 03:47 GMT
As one ages one may develop the need for glasses.  An optician should check
your eyes.  Don't tell him that you are a psychiatric patient.

I have no clue what your foot problem is about.

>I have OCD. I have had blurry vision for about three months. A couple
> of weeks ago I also got pain in the eyes and swollen feet. I also had
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> on Remeron. I took 100mg Seroquel in the beginning but lowered it some
> weeks ago.
Cymbal Man Freq. - 26 Aug 2007 05:38 GMT
Cogentin and a few other meds have blurry/double vision as side effects that are
supposed to go away after a few weeks of starting them. However, side effects
don't always go away. Some side effects take awhile to show up.

I'd suggest finding out which of those meds causes vision problems as a known
side-effect and consider discontinuing it with advice from your doctor. Some
meds turn people into zombies and they can't function, much less comprehend a
written paragraph a day. Why do you think they call these doctors shrinks? They
lop off your ability to ....the list is freakin' endless what shrinks do to
people.

Also, at age 38, you may be in need of a $10 pair of reading glasses anyway, but
your condition is deteriorating way too quickly for this not to be meds related
somehow. Fix the meds, get your vision back, and hopefully your ability to read.

Next you won't be able to write because of grapho-motor skills deficiencies
caused by meds.
Cymbal Man Freq. - 26 Aug 2007 06:55 GMT
Is Imovane like Navane? If it is...I'd follow up on discontinuing that drug
first.
Dr. Dre - 26 Aug 2007 06:21 GMT
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:22:01 -0700, anaccount15 wrote:

> I have OCD. I have had blurry vision for about three months. A couple of
> weeks ago I also got pain in the eyes and swollen feet. I also had some
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Remeron. I took 100mg Seroquel in the beginning but lowered it some
> weeks ago.

Infections are often misdiagnosed as mental disorders, Lyme disease being
one example, but not the only one. More info here:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james16.htm

As you're having physical symptoms, I'd consider that possibility. If
that's your situation, however, it will be no simple task to get correctly
diagnosed by American/British doctors.

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Dr. Wayne Simon - 31 Aug 2007 04:28 GMT
If you are unhappy with your firsts physicians opinion or diagnosis, and you
still feel there are other problems which need to be addressed, you can go
back to the same physician or get a second opinion.  Getting opinions from
folks on the newsgroup, other than advice to see a competent professional,
is probably not worth the words that post.
Dr. Dre - 31 Aug 2007 05:38 GMT
> If you are unhappy with your firsts physicians opinion or diagnosis, and you
> still feel there are other problems which need to be addressed, you can go
> back to the same physician or get a second opinion.  Getting opinions from
> folks on the newsgroup, other than advice to see a competent professional,
> is probably not worth the words that post.

Dr. Wayne Simon is there any evidence that M.D.'s are more competent
than the average bum living in an alley? Or are you just admitting you're
part of a collusive circle-jerk?

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Dr. Dre - 31 Aug 2007 05:46 GMT
>> If you are unhappy with your firsts physicians opinion or diagnosis,
>> and you still feel there are other problems which need to be addressed,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> than the average bum living in an alley? Or are you just admitting
> you're part of a collusive circle-jerk?

Dr. Wayne Simon would have patients see the psychotically incompetent
Stephen Kurtz, M.D., who mixes up symptoms in his official medical records
(as caught on tape), or the psychotically incompetent Ellen Eichler, M.D.,
who mixes up drug-names in her official medical records (doctors should be
shot for that, imho) and withholds test results from patients for 3 months
after billing insurance (doctors should be shot for that too...), or any
other hazardous, incompetent psychotic, so long as the incompetent
psychotic has purchased an M.D. certificate.

What an arrogant clown.

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John H. - 31 Aug 2007 05:55 GMT
I am not a medico so don't accuse me of that conspiracy nonsense. The doc
gave you good advice. Doctors make mistakes too, get used to it. Your
problem is you, not your doctors. If you don't think they can help don't
ask.

BTW, you're perservating.

> > If you are unhappy with your firsts physicians opinion or diagnosis, and you
> > still feel there are other problems which need to be addressed, you can go
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Dr. Dre - 31 Aug 2007 06:04 GMT
> I am not a medico so don't accuse me of that conspiracy nonsense.

You're ignorant. They practice collusion in broad daylight, so spare us
your paranoid nonsense to the contrary.

> The doc
> gave you good advice. Doctors make mistakes too, get used to it.

Docs make more mistakes, commit more fraud, and abuse more people than the
average bum in an alley.

> Your
> problem is you, not your doctors.

You don't know what you're jabbering about.

> If you don't think they can help don't
> ask.

But we're all taxed to fund doctors, so you're oversimplifying.

> BTW, you're perservating.

I can't find 'perservating' in http://www.m-w.com/ and I don't know what
you mean.

>> > If you are unhappy with your firsts physicians opinion or diagnosis, and
> you
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Dr. Dre - 31 Aug 2007 06:05 GMT
>> I am not a medico so don't accuse me of that conspiracy nonsense.
>
> You're ignorant. They practice collusion in broad daylight,

e.g.,
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/browse_thread/thread/8d43caf323c39a51

> so spare us
> your paranoid nonsense to the contrary.
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