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Medical Forum / General / General / August 2007Mimicing Heart Problems?
Hello, Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person? I thing gas and heart-burn are relevant to this aspect. Best wishes. >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person? For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart problems. Port On Aug 24, 1:46 pm, P...@nospam.invalid wrote: > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Port How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the hunger). One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females). It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 24, 2:55 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis? Not in the manner mimicking heart problems. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 24, 4:11 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems. What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem? > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) > than ever: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem? For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate reason for most if not all other medical problems. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 24, 6:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate > reason for most if not all other medical problems. In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart beats and blood flow changes? > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) > than ever: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart > beats and blood flow changes? Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL, low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks, strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 25, 1:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks, > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT. Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and exposure resuting pain? > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) > than ever: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and > exposure resuting pain? Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid generation. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Hi Andrew, you are fond of using some email-address on the general format of heartdocXX@emorycardiology.com, and for some reason also of using multiple identities via a variation of the numericals XX, it may be because you seem to have an issue with spam filters or it may be to make it look more like the real thing, ie. a real affiliation to Emory University. You do seem to intentionally convey the impreesion that you are employed by Emory's Department of Medicine and speaking on their behalf. Interestingly they also use the addressformat nameXX.domainname.root. I don't know whether they want to be associated with your tribal medicine man approach to reality. See also http://medicine.emory.edu/cardio/admin_staff.cfm, easy to find via a web search for Emory Cardiology .... Kind regards Peter Larsen > Hi Andrew, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Peter Larsen There sure are a lot of adjunct faculty. Considering that Chung did a lot of work there, including his PhD and his fellowship, you would think that they would want him to be a adjunct faculty and have medical students rotate through his busy practice as they do their cardiology and medicine rotations. It's a sad statement that they don't. Well, at least Chung can make one more service to Emory ... If he checks off the "anatomic" donation on his license application. Jeff On Aug 25, 9:53 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid > generation. How? > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) > than ever: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science. Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation is central to normal cell function, say the scientists. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php" If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition? PKG (protein kinase G) plays a crucial part in regulating our blood pressure > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > How? Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings. > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition? No. Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological. Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 26, 1:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings. Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it? Pressure, heat and acidic conditions can be sensation to nerves? > > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator > > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it? It is not. > Pressure, heat and acidic > conditions can be sensation to nerves? Inflammation. > > > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator > > > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 26, 5:00 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Inflammation. Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli. Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation? > > > > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator > > > > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Inflammation. > Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli. > Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation? All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage occurring at the cellular level. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 26, 10:02 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I've read through a few of your responses to diet in general, if you are a doctor, then you know that VAT is at least a little important as it provides protection not only from temperature extremes, but also the age old famine. Is it not also the dramatice loss of VAT which leads a doctor to decifer potentially life threatening metabolic disorders. It seems to me that you should be a little concerned that your message of healthy as being hungry and hungrier as being blessed, is bordering on "Long Live Ed" and "Ed is my friend"...in other words I hope, for the sake of your medical lisence (if you really have one)that you are not condoning behavoirs and a mind set which bring people closer to Anorexia--because if you are then you are also encouraging people into another extreme of body weight which also negatvely affects the heart. On Aug 26, 9:02 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage > occurring at the cellular level. " Summary of Major Biochemical Causes of Pain: 1. Lactic Acid-increases Bradykinin, the most potent chemical mediator of inflammation.. A Diet-Induced Pro-InflammatoryState (Excessive amounts of meat, sugar and refined carbohydrate intake along with deficient quantities of cold water fish, vegetables and fruits): 1. Increased tissue acidity- activates bradykinin a potent nociceptor (pain) irritant 2. Inadequate potassium intake- causes alkalosis, ischemia and hypoxia (reduced blood and oxygen supply) 3. Inadequate magnesium intake- causes increased lactic acid, platelet aggregation and free radicals http://www.eimed.com/nutrition.htm " I think above is a good article on pain and inflammation. Lactic acid is involved as per this article. > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > I think above is a good article on pain and inflammation. Lactic acid > is involved as per this article. In reality, lactic acid is not involved in the pain and tenderness arising from inflammation. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 27, 2:03 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > In reality, lactic acid is not involved in the pain and tenderness > arising from inflammation. Can't it do that by decreasing pH? Whether O2 defficiencies occur due to inflammatory responses? > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Whether O2 defficiencies occur due to inflammatory responses? Destruction/damage occurs from inflammation. VAT is bad. Hunger is wonderful. Truly, it is only when we are hungry that our bodies get rid of the VAT. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 27, 4:25 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Truly, it is only when we are hungry that our bodies get rid of the > VAT. Ok thanks. > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Ok thanks. You are welcome, Kumar :-) Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that much more blessed (hungrier :-). Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? I'm not sure exactly what the docs were thinking. Maybe previously broken bones acting up. Maybe a pulled muscle that wouldn't heal. I was a jogger at the time with a tendancy to trip/fall now and then. I just accepted their diagnosis for awhile and was relieved it wasn't heart related. I don't recommend that anyone to do that now though. Port friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote: > >How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Port Sad to read about your being misdiagnosed in the past. Hopefully your WHR is on its way down to below 0.85 as you lose all your VAT so that you will not have progression of your heart disease. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 24, 8:04 pm, P...@nospam.invalid wrote: > >How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Port Anyway, it is good that you don't have heart problem. >> >How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? Port wrote: >> was a jogger at the time with a tendancy to trip/fall now and then. I >> just accepted their diagnosis for awhile and was relieved it wasn't >> heart related. >Anyway, it is good that you don't have heart problem. Sorry, I was unclear. I accepted their diagnosis of "chest pain due to muscular or skeletal problems" for three years, but they were wrong. I had Coronary Artery Disease all along. So in my case, the heart disease was mimicking "muscular or skeletal problems". Port On Aug 25, 8:45 am, P...@nospam.invalid wrote: > >> >How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain? > Port wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Port Sorry to learn that. Can anyone tell about this condition? Port wrote: > in my case, the heart disease was mimicking >> "muscular or skeletal problems". >Sorry to learn that. Can anyone tell about this condition? Not me. At least no more than what I've already stated. Another possibility, I'm not sure my doc believed what I was telling him when I was describing the pain. Since I had no risk factors and a negative stress test (did the full 15 minutes on the treadmill, no prob), and had never experienced heart problems, he may have thought I just didn't know how to describe muscle pain or skeletal pain. I really don't know for sure. But he knows for sure that I know heart pain when I describe it now. Port On Aug 25, 11:41 am, P...@nospam.invalid wrote: > Port wrote: > > in my case, the heart disease was mimicking [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Port Ok thanks. |
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