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Another way to prevent niacin flushing thru the use of betaine.

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betaine_hcl@yahoo.com - 27 Jun 2007 08:15 GMT
I've found that taking 30 grains of betaine HCl or betaine base
(trimethylglycine) with TR niacin prevents flushing and
the skipped heart beats that I get when taking high dose
niacin without the betaine. I have in my mind that
high doses of niacin depletes methyl groups levels
and betaine is an excellent source of methyl groups.
I take 30 grains of betaine  and 400 mg of TR niacin with each meal.

Does anyone have a comment on this?
Prior my posting has anyone heard of this?

Would taking niacin and betaine prevent niacin
from altering the blood lipids? I suspect that
taking the extra betaine likely relieves the
"stress" the niacin puts on the liver.
betaine_hcl@yahoo.com - 28 Jun 2007 00:24 GMT
My experience is one of the practical application of the following
idea.
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: Med Hypotheses. 2000 Sep;55(3):189-94.

Co-administration of equimolar doses of betaine may alleviate the
hepatotoxic
risk associated with niacin therapy.

McCarty MF.

Pantox Laboratories, San Diego, California 92109, USA.

High-dose niacin has versatile and substantial efficacy for the
treatment of
hyperlipidemias, but its utility is compromised by various side
effects, the most
serious of which is liver damage. It is proposed that this
hepatotoxicity
reflects the high demand for methyl groups imposed by niacin
catabolism, leading
to a reduction in hepatic levels of S-adenosylmethionine (SAM).
Depletion of the
hepatic SAM pool has likewise been shown to mediate, at least in part,
the
hepatotoxic effects of ethanol, methotrexate, and niacinamide. If
niacin does
indeed decrease SAM, a likely consequence would be a counterproductive
elevation
of plasma homocysteine. Conceivably, methyl group deficiency, by
altering
membrane properties of skeletal muscle, also contributes to niacin-
induced
insulin resistance. Concurrent betaine supplementation - preferably
administered
as a complex with equimolar amounts of niacin - may represent the most
cost-effective way to prevent niacin-mediated depletion of SAM and
thus avoid
hepatotoxicity (and possibly other adverse effects) while controlling
homocysteine. Betaine also merits evaluation as an adjuvant to
methotrexate and
niacinamide therapies.

PMID: 10985907 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
David - 28 Jun 2007 02:59 GMT
On Jun 27, 7:24 pm, betaine_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> My experience is one of the practical application of the following
> idea.
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> PMID: 10985907 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Thanks for this.........I'd never heard of the possible niacin-TMG
connection, but I'll definitely give it a try and see if it prevents
the flushing!  I'll report back on the results (should be next week
when I receive the TMG).
-David
betaine_hcl@yahoo.com - 28 Jun 2007 06:48 GMT
I should add. I also take some sizable dose of the B vitamins
and similar things. Not much as perhaps as Micheal Price, but still
quite a few.
So your mileage may differ from mine.

A google search of this group sci.life-extension with the words
Nelson,
betaine, and niacin will reveal other discussion on this topic.

> On Jun 27, 7:24 pm, betaine_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> when I receive the TMG).
> -David

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