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Medical Forum / General / General / June 2007ABSTINENCE -- Bush's Prescription To Fight AIDS!
"President Bush will call on Congress today to provide $30 billion toward battling the global AIDS crisis over the first five years after he leaves office, according to senior administration officials, a doubling of the current U.S. commitment .... Many advocacy groups, while praising his ambitious reach, have criticized the program for its congressionally imposed emphasis on abstinence education." -- The Washington Post May 30, 2007, Page A1 http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ -------------------------- Bush's "programs" always seem to have some ultra-conservative, religious-based CATCH to them, don't they? In this case, much of your tax-supported dollars will be wasted in the President's Emergency Program for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) effort. PEPFAR targets 12 African countries plus Guyana, Haiti and Vietnam. The program's original 5-year mandate, resourced at $15 billion, expires in September 2008. AIDS -- especially in poor African nations, where multi-partner heterosexual copulation is a national passtime -- will NOT be conquered by asking people to refrain from promiscuous sex. Forty- million AIDS cases worldwide, the majority in Africa, reflect this absurdity. Rather than funding abstinence "education," a proven failure even among supposedly religious U.S. teens and pre-adolescents, your tax money could be more effectively spent on distribution of condoms and "AIDS consequence education." But your White House war criminal, who's come up extremely short in the "success" business, wants to perpetuate PEPFAR beyond his failed administration's termination in January 2009. Abstinence! That's probably what he's going through as, we read, his wife has written off their marriage and is merely waiting to divorce Chimpy when they depart the White House. > "President Bush will call on Congress today to provide $30 billion > toward battling the global AIDS crisis over the first five years after [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > written off their marriage and is merely waiting to divorce Chimpy > when they depart the White House. Don't be so quick to criticize abstinence. If Papa and Barbara had abstained (or aborted), we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. >"President Bush will call on Congress today to provide $30 billion >toward battling the global AIDS crisis over the first five years after [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >million AIDS cases worldwide, the majority in Africa, reflect this >absurdity. Y'know, a couple of centuries ago women were dying from childbed fever. Nobody could figure out why simply washing one's hands between deliveries would stop that; it was silly. It was impossible. But it was true...and it remained true no matter what cultural biases had to be smashed in order to accept it. The problem is, the only certain prevention of AIDS (and that's not CERTAIN, but it comes fairly close) is abstinence. The MEDICAL FACT is, (not a MORAL teaching, a medical FACT) that if every human being on the planet only had sex with one partner, and stayed monogamous, that AIDS would pretty much go away. So would most of the other STD'S that make our lives miserable. One generation of doing that would do the job. It has nothing at all to do with morals, except for this: is it MORAL to think that your right to have sex with all and sundry trumps the right of the children you choose to bring into the world to live? >Rather than funding abstinence "education," a proven failure even >among supposedly religious U.S. teens and pre-adolescents, your tax >money could be more effectively spent on distribution of condoms and >"AIDS consequence education." "AIDS" consequence education....absolutely. Condoms...sure. But the fact is, you are advocating that we NOT teach the one measure that will eliminate AIDS from the earth, for all intents and purposes. How responsible is that? >But your White House war criminal, who's come up extremely short in >the "success" business, wants to perpetuate PEPFAR beyond his failed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >written off their marriage and is merely waiting to divorce Chimpy >when they depart the White House. Ah. I should have known. You get your news from the tabloids. >> "President Bush will call on Congress today to provide $30 billion >> toward battling the global AIDS crisis over the first five years after [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > will eliminate AIDS from the earth, for all intents and purposes. How > responsible is that? But do we HAVE to teach that endless blessings and rewards will ALWAYS come from that? Paul >>> "President Bush will call on Congress today to provide $30 billion >>> toward battling the global AIDS crisis over the first five years after [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > But do we HAVE to teach that endless blessings and rewards will >ALWAYS come from that? What, like being free from sexual diseases? Like being free from being pregnant when you don't want to be? Like being fairly certain that your scumbag spouse won't give you something you don't want for Christmas? THOSE endless blessings and rewards? > Y'know, a couple of centuries ago women were dying from childbed > fever. Nobody could figure out why simply washing one's hands between > deliveries would stop that; it was silly. It was impossible. Big difference between changing the attitudes towards sanitation in doctors' procdures (based on germ theory in science) and changing the sexual mores of a whole society. > But it was true...and it remained true no matter what cultural biases > had to be smashed in order to accept it. No "cultural biases" had to be smashed to get doctors to wash their hands; it was just a matter of educating the already educated. The practice of open marriages in Africa will be difficult if not impossible to change. Abstinence until marriage and monogamy after is a hard sell in the United States, even among religious people. Teaching people to use condoms is a much better idea. > The problem is, the only certain prevention of AIDS (and that's not > CERTAIN, but it comes fairly close) is abstinence. The MEDICAL FACT [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that make our lives miserable. One generation of doing that would do > the job. And I think you'll see cows fly first. Besides, what caused the intoduction of STDs in the first place? One theory is zoophilia (sex with animals.) Such a practice is forbidden in every society everywhere, yet it did not prevent it from occurring. So there goes your perfect world, Even if STDs are wiped out in one generation, the chance that they will arise again is always there. > "AIDS" consequence education....absolutely. Condoms...sure. But the > fact is, you are advocating that we NOT teach the one measure that > will eliminate AIDS from the earth, for all intents and purposes. How > responsible is that? More responsible than trying to totally overcome human nature. Brindal >> Y'know, a couple of centuries ago women were dying from childbed >> fever. Nobody could figure out why simply washing one's hands between [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >doctors' procdures (based on germ theory in science) and changing the >sexual mores of a whole society. Really? At the time, those WERE the cultural more's of an entire society. Such major changes have been made frequently. However, I will admit that it would be difficult. Does that mean we shouldn't TRY? The thing is, it IS the best way, and it's something that works for every individual that does it. It's not something we have to change the entire society for in order to affect the few that do listen. >> But it was true...and it remained true no matter what cultural biases >> had to be smashed in order to accept it. > >No "cultural biases" had to be smashed to get doctors to wash their >hands; it was just a matter of educating the already educated. Oh no? According to all the history I have ever read, it took close to fifty years to get the job done, even among the 'already educated.' >The practice of open marriages in Africa will be difficult if not >impossible to change. Well, we could just let the entire culture die out and try to help the survivors. How's that for a plan? Yes. It's hard. But this cultural practice is KILLING AN ENTIRE PEOPLE. >Abstinence until marriage and monogamy after is a hard sell in the >United States, even among religious people. Teaching people to use >condoms is a much better idea. I didn't say that we should teach abstinence INSTEAD. I believe we shoudl teach it FIRST, and DURING, and ALWAYS...and emphasize it. Condoms should also be taught, but the facts should be presented; not as a moral imperative, but as the medical fact that it is. The best way is abstinence. Anything else is second best; riskier. We should let people know that. For crying out loud, get the preachiness out of it. >> The problem is, the only certain prevention of AIDS (and that's not >> CERTAIN, but it comes fairly close) is abstinence. The MEDICAL FACT [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >And I think you'll see cows fly first. Y'know, I'd buy that if I didn't know that many people live it quite happily. Long, happy, healthy lives free of STD's and full of sexual fulfillment, joy and contentment. (shrug) However, you are probably right. STill, if even a few try it out, THOSE few will survive and be free of STD's. That's a victory. >Besides, what caused the intoduction of STDs in the first place? One >theory is zoophilia (sex with animals.) One theory, yes. Another is through bites. > Such a practice is forbidden >in every society everywhere, yet it did not prevent it from >occurring. So there goes your perfect world, Even if STDs are wiped >out in one generation, the chance that they will arise again is always >there. Indeed, but if everybody ELSE is chaste, then it won't go anywhere, will it? >> "AIDS" consequence education....absolutely. Condoms...sure. But the >> fact is, you are advocating that we NOT teach the one measure that >> will eliminate AIDS from the earth, for all intents and purposes. How >> responsible is that? > >More responsible than trying to totally overcome human nature. More responsible than NOT teaching the one certain method of prevention, TOO? >Bush's "programs" always seem to have some ultra-conservative, >religious-based CATCH to them, don't they? Yes, it looks like the catch in this program is, if you abstain from sex, you will not get AIDS through sex. It is very difficult to get any sexual transmitted bug if you don't have sex. Nothing conservative or religious about that. >Rather than funding abstinence "education," a proven failure even >among supposedly religious U.S. teens and pre-adolescents, your tax >money could be more effectively spent on distribution of condoms and >"AIDS consequence education." Teach both. The figures make it clear that even marriage is a failure among Baptists and conservative Christians. Who can expect people with the highest divorce rate in the USA to practice abstinence? >That's probably what he's going through as, we read, his wife has >written off their marriage and is merely waiting to divorce Chimpy >when they depart the White House. Where did you read that? Got any support for that irrelevant statement? JR > >Rather than funding abstinence "education," a proven failure even > >among supposedly religious U.S. teens and pre-adolescents, your tax [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > among Baptists and conservative Christians. Who can expect people > with the highest divorce rate in the USA to practice abstinence? Aye, there's the rub. Celibacy. Even priests and nuns have a hard time maintaining that one, it appears. Once we had a sect of people in the US who believed in celibacy, the Shakers. They have almost all died out. They could not convert enough believers to sustain their religion. Most people want to have a piece every now and then. Strange, isn't it?  SignatureFACT: Manufacturers can make 40-mpg cars-- Europe is full of them. If the mileage of US cars was equal to the mileage of European cars, the US could stop importing oil. Let's stop the importation of oil, So that we can stop supporting terrorism. >>Bush's "programs" always seem to have some ultra-conservative, >>religious-based CATCH to them, don't they? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >among Baptists and conservative Christians. Who can expect people >with the highest divorce rate in the USA to practice abstinence? Well....there is this: studies have shown that the reason they have the highest divorce rate is because they are the ones who bother to get married first. Everybody else just plays musical beds. >>That's probably what he's going through as, we read, his wife has >>written off their marriage and is merely waiting to divorce Chimpy >>when they depart the White House. > >Where did you read that? Got any support for that irrelevant >statement? I'm certain that he can cite any number of supermarket tabloids. |
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