That really is something, but I don't know where you're from. I'm a
medical student from Romania and I can tell you that I can't even
dream about buying a PDA. The on-line books are great but if the
information cannot be viewed or used unless you pay for it it's a
major setback at least for me (and I think also for many other medical
students from Romania). I understand that those books were written
with significant effort (Both financial and intellectual) but i think
that making medical information free on the internet will be a major
step forward in the increase of medical knowledge (in quantity but
also in quality) for students, doctors and even patients.I only use
the free web resources because I cannot afford to pay for the rest.
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 30 May 2007 04:11 GMT
> That really is something, but I don't know where you're from. I'm a
> medical student from Romania and I can tell you that I can't even
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> also in quality) for students, doctors and even patients.I only use
> the free web resources because I cannot afford to pay for the rest.
Hello Mr. Laur
I am Syrian Orthopedic specialist working in Saudi Arabia ,It was
impossible for me also to buy when I was student, But now after
working it is easy .
I remember in my residency days in the orthopedic department when I
wanted to buy the textbook (Campbell's Operative Orthopedics) I rent
15000 Syrian bounds from the bank to book and I pay every month 500
Syrian bounds for 3 years ,my salary was only 4500 Syrian bounds .
At that time there was on computers around and it was default for us
to translate and to find information but now I think it is the golden
era for medical student ,medical student now is connected to internet
so he/she can get whatever he wont of information very easy. also
there is translating programs to his native language and there is
reading programs (like http://www.readplease.com/) and if he can have
a PDA so it well be great.
You can look for second hand PDA ,here (http://www.friday-ad.co.uk/
Class/1221/Web/SearchResults.asp).
Thank you very mach
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 30 May 2007 04:16 GMT
Hello Mr. Laur
I am Syrian Orthopedic specialist working in Saudi Arabia ,It was
impossible for me also to buy when I was student, But now after
working it is easy .
I remember in my residency days in the orthopedic department when I
wanted to buy the textbook (Campbell's Operative Orthopedics) I rent
15000 Syrian bounds from the bank to buy the book and I pay every
month 500 Syrian bounds for 3 years ,my salary was only 4500 Syrian
bounds .
At that time there was on computers around and it was default for us
to translate and to find information but now I think it is the golden
era for medical student ,medical student now is connected to internet
so he/she can get whatever he wont of information very easy. also
there is translating programs to his native language and there is
reading programs (like http://www.readplease.com/) and if he can have
a PDA so it well be great.
You can look for second hand PDA ,here (http://www.friday-ad.co.uk/
Class/1221/Web/SearchResults.asp).
Thank you very mach
Laur - 30 May 2007 10:19 GMT
Hi doctor,
I know you can buy books easily when you're a doctor but during the
university years it's very hard. I know that the Internet is a major
source of information and it's great just to type what you want to
know and find it. But one of my teachers (he is a cardiovascular
surgeon) told us that in a way searching information in a book was
more challenging and interesting because you couldn't find the
information as quickly as you can find it on the internet, and you had
to browse lots of books before you could find it. Doing that you came
upon other information that you didn't necessarily need at that time
but that were interesting and you would remember them for a long time.
Of course, searching information on the internet saves a lot of time
and that's great.
I was curious how much do the amounts you told me in Syrian bounds mea
translated in dollars or euro? I hope I'm not to indiscreet.
Thank you,
Laur.
Kurt Ullman - 30 May 2007 13:28 GMT
> Hi doctor,
> I know you can buy books easily when you're a doctor but during the
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> information as quickly as you can find it on the internet, and you had
> to browse lots of books before you could find it.
Apparently your instuctor has never heard of an index (g). Go to the
back of the book, look for the term you need, and go to that page. No
big deal. It seems like you are being taught how to waste your time
while your patient suffers, at least to me.
Laur - 31 May 2007 09:29 GMT
> In article <1180516752.293136.65...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Perhaps he hasn't heard about indexes. He is very old and he was
talking about the days when he was a student.
Now I am in a Orthopedics clinic in a stage and I have a 9 year old
boy with left femoral head epiphisiolysis. I was wondering if you
could tell me what is the most used procedure to correct this in Saudi
Arabia where you practice.
Thanks a lot,
Laur.
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 31 May 2007 13:20 GMT
Hi doctors
Laur And Kurt Ullman
In fact I confused ,I feel there is misunderstanding in this
discussion, anyway 50 Syrian pounds equal one American dollar and I am
45 years old and I don't think this is very old age man!
Dear Dr. Laur
The prognosis of your son problem depends on immediate treatment in
the earliest stage of the disease, if the degree of the displacement
is big immediate fixation should be done with K-wire or cumulated
screw after correction of the deformity with redaction (if
possible)or osteotomy .
In fact, I cannot give you a good consultation since my practice in my
hospital mostly in the orthopedic trauma so please keep me updated
about and Sorry for your son problem.
Beast regards
Laur - 31 May 2007 18:20 GMT
On May 31, 3:20 pm, "drhai...@gmail.com" <drhai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi doctors
> Laur And Kurt Ullman
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>
> Beast regards
Hello Dr. Hayian,
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about you when I said
"He was very old". I was talking about my teacher.
The 9 year old boy is not my son(I'm only 23 yaers old and I'm not
married). He has the condition for about a year and a half and it's a
second degree epiphisiolysis (a displacement between 30 and 60
degrees). I'm going to write to you tomorrow and tell you what kind of
procedure was chosen in this case. Thanks for the information. I was
only curious about the most used techniques you use in Saudi Arabia.
Laur - 01 Jun 2007 11:12 GMT
Hello Dr. Hayian,
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about you when I said
"He was very old". I was talking about my teacher. The 9 year old boy
is not my son(I'm only 23 years old and I'm not married). He has the
condition for about a year and a half and it's a first degree
epiphisiolysis (a displacement under 30 degrees). It was corrected
yesterday using 3 Kirschner broches Thanks for the information. I was
only curious about the most used techniques you use in Saudi Arabia.
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 02 Jun 2007 03:12 GMT
> Hello Dr. Hayian,
> I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about you when I said
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> yesterday using 3 Kirschner broches Thanks for the information. I was
> only curious about the most used techniques you use in Saudi Arabia.
Thank you
I am waiting
Laur - 02 Jun 2007 11:52 GMT
I talked to the doctor who operated the boy and she told me that in
his case best approach was correction with 3 Kirschner nails(I don't
know the exact English term for them).
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 03 Jun 2007 00:31 GMT
> I talked to the doctor who operated the boy and she told me that in
> his case best approach was correction with 3 Kirschner nails(I don't
> know the exact English term for them).
Kirschner nails=K-wire but this for fixation
Laur - 04 Jun 2007 06:37 GMT
Thanks for your answer,
Laur.
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 04 Jun 2007 17:04 GMT
> Thanks for your answer,
> Laur.
Thanks you
Laur - 12 Jun 2007 21:41 GMT
Hello, Dr. Hayian
It's me again. I was wondering if I could ask you a question You
musn't answer if you think it's too personal to tell. I appologize in
advance if I have offended you in any way or crossed any common sense
boundries by asking you this.
I was wondering how much does an orthopedist from Saudi Arabia just
like you earn in a month. Because my orthopedy teacher just bought
himself an airplane(not a large one and he didn't buy it alone with 2
other colleagues).
Thank you for your your patience and I am very sorry if I offended
you.
Laur.
drhaiyan@gmail.com - 14 Jul 2007 20:17 GMT
> Hello, Dr. Hayian
> It's me again. I was wondering if I could ask you a question You
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> you.
> Laur.
Hello Laur
In saudi arabia there are many levels for salaries:
If you are resident or specialist or consultant and if you are working
for ministry of health or the army or national grad or for privet
sponsor...
For western certificate degrees they pay more than 3000 euro per month
in MOH, and the army and national gard pay more with special and high
salaries for western persons.
Thank you