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Medical Forum / General / General / May 2007CA is broke, ad nauseum
Retiree health cost disclosed -- California taxpayers must come up with $47.9 billion over the next three decades to cover medical care for thousands of current and future retired state employees, Controller John Chiang announced Monday. If the state starts setting aside $2.6 billion a year in an investment trust, however, taxpayers could cut their contribution to $31.3 billion and meet all benefit payments to retirees, Chiang said. Gilbert Chan in the Sacramento Bee -- 5/8/07 == I have a simple solution: End retiree benefits by making retirees pay the full cost for healthcare. Very few companies offer free healthcare for retirees. Why should Kaleefornyah? > Retiree health cost disclosed -- California taxpayers > must come up with $47.9 billion over the next three [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Why should Kaleefornyah? Because that is part of the compensation that public employees work for. It's part of the deal. This is about coming through with the promises made. Jeff >> Retiree health cost disclosed -- California taxpayers >> must come up with $47.9 billion over the next three [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jeff I am retired military, and we were promised "free health care for life." That quote can be found in any number of army, navy air force, etc. publications. After I retired the decision was made to end health care in military hospitals for retired (with some exceptions) and we would get CHAMPUS, then TRICARE (I spare you the details) which involved paying a "fair share" (like what part of "free" did the government not understand?) A law suit was filed by a former air force fighter pilot, holder of the Medal of Honor, and lawyer, Bud Day. The judge ruled that the government could do anything that it wanted, and even though it was plain as to what the government said, they changed their mind, and being sovereign, could do that. >>> Retiree health cost disclosed -- California taxpayers >>> must come up with $47.9 billion over the next three [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > the government said, they changed their mind, and being sovereign, could > do that. So you got screwed by the government, so everyone else should get screwed, too? How about working with your representatives and senators to get the issue resolved? Now that there are so many injured people coming back from the war, perhaps you can help make a difference. You earned your benefits and should get them. So did a lot of people who work for cities, states and even the federal governments. Jeff Two words - "socialized medicine." We should just admit that this neo-con bullshit about "privatizing" everything is an utter failure. Catfish, who has retirement benefits. >>>> Retiree health cost disclosed -- California taxpayers >>>> must come up with $47.9 billion over the next three [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Jeff Hmm. I described a situation, free from personal feelings, and you ascribed a position to me which I did not profess. I can (and have) done a lot of things. Being part of the class-action lawsuit was one. And you can do a lot of things. But in the final analysis if the state of California wants to do what the federal government did, then it can, and a judge will rule in their favor. Of course the largest employer in the state of California is the state, and what with all the public employee unions (read voters) they might get some redress. Unlike the federal government, where the military is not the biggest voting bloc, the state of California might (maybe) continue as it is doing. But demographics indicate otherwise. The short version is that are fewer people paying for, and more people getting, health care. Things will have to change. >>>>> Retiree health cost disclosed -- California taxpayers >>>>> must come up with $47.9 billion over the next three [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Hmm. I described a situation, free from personal feelings, and you > ascribed a position to me which I did not profess. Sorry to tell you this, but the government promised you something and did come through. You got screwed. > I can (and have) done a lot of things. Being part of the class-action > lawsuit was one. And you can do a lot of things. But in the final [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > are fewer people paying for, and more people getting, health care. Things > will have to change. That true for a lot of things. Another thing people can do is try to find out if their states or local governments are properly funding their pensions. In a lot of places, the pensions are not properly funded. Jeff |
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