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ARRGGHHH. Is "Panic disorder" the answer to everything?

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dianaiad - 14 Apr 2007 04:15 GMT
Nearly a month ago I came into the Urgent Care clinic with an asthma
attack. I was given two breathing treatments, a shot of corticosteroid
and a prescription for a short course of prednisone (or
methylprednisone) as well as a prescription for a rescue inhaler. A
week later saw a doctor because I wasn't 'bouncing back' the way I
ordinarily do, and was actually having more problems. She changed my
prednisone prescription, stopping the one I had and starting me on a
new dose pack, beginning with six pills, then five, then four, and so
on. She also changed my corticosteroid prescription. I told her  at
the time that I was having chest discomfort, and that it was not,
repeat, NOT, an anxiety or panic attack, since a: I knew what one felt
like and knew what to do about it if I did have one; this wasn't it. I
also let you know that my anxiety and depression those years ago were
the result of severe anemia; that when the anemia was resolved, so was
the depression and anxiety attacks, and b: even so, I hadn't had one
of those for four to six years.

When I saw the paperwork she sent home with me, I saw that the first
item on the diagnosis was 'Panic disorder."  I just shrugged; why
should I expect anything else? It was a case of 'same old, same old..."

Is it really a case of 'once a fruitcake, always a fruitcake?" As it
turns out, the chest discomfort became constant, and more 'pain' than
discomfort;  it would wake me up, or more accurately, wouldn't let me
sleep. However, I had been told by both the urgent care physician and
you that it was all in my head. Still, last Friday night, since I
couldn't sleep, I went back to Urgent Care; I figured that there
wouldn't be many patients at 1AM, fewer people to feel foolish in
front of, and I couldn't sleep anyway....what the heck. The ECG was
fine, of course...but the chest x-ray showed some infiltrate and the
doctor said 'pneumonia.'

Wow. It wasn't in my head. It wasn't "panic disorder." It was honest
to goodness something real. I was given a prescription for
antibiotics, a very short course, and a prescription for atavan, which
I used that night and the next in order to get some sleep. The rest I
discarded; I hate that stuff... within two days the chest pain was
pretty much gone; I was feeling much better. Yay.

Except that, now that I'm done with the antibiotics, as of yesterday,
the chest pain is back, and getting worse again. So is the tiredness,
and the shortness of breath, and the coughing. No amount of Tums will
take care of it. It is just behind my sternum, radiating to just
behind my left breast and sometimes up to my jaw.

So, we know it's not my heart-and it is nice to have that ruled out.
*I* know it's not a panic disorder. There is something else going on.
If it's just indigestion, fine-but I've never HAD indigestion before,
or heartburn.  Ever. I'm 57. The closest I have ever come is the last
time I took cough syrup with codeine, and that felt like swallowing
acid. This isn't like that, or at least, not even close to the same
level. If that was a 10 (and yeah, it was...) then what I'm dealing with
all the time now is about a 2 to 3.

I remember anxiety attacks. I remember panic attacks. They are very
different, and I'll tell you what they felt like for me; chronic
anxiety felt like a constant lump in my throat that I couldn't swallow
past, an uneven heartbeat; constantly monitoring the heart rhythm so
that I knew everytime the beat was a nanosecond early; obsessing about
every pain, worried that any second, the 'anxiety' would evolve into a
full blown panic attack. Oh, and panic attacks? I have been told, and
I believe, that the real heart attack that might carry me off one day
would probably be more pleasant. Panic attacks are well named; they
involve being in absolute terror, and pounding heart beats, and
shaking, and a feeling that I am going to go nuts any second, or that
I was dying-or wish I could. They were unmistakable, and they were
incredibly frightening, you can't really think or reason, and since
they won't kill you, nobody cares that you almost wish they could. I
actually saw one website say that they were good for you, since you
could count them as aerobic exercise! One of the major accomplishments
of my life was realizing that I could do something about them, that I
was in charge of them and could make them go away if I could have a
minute or two to concentrate.

However, I don't have those any more.  Haven't had for years.  I
stopped taking antidepressants. I've been with, among, and in charge
of groups of people for years, and have been in many stressful
situations-no anxiety attacks. None. Zip. Nada. Bupkis. I am no longer
anemic, I am not suffering from clinical depression,  I have a
problem. It's not anxiety. It's a pain in my chest.

This is something else. Probably something very minor else, but
perhaps not; the thing is, I have asthma, I get bronchitis, I
sometimes get 'walking pneumonia.'  I don't seem to be getting over
this bout, and It. Is. Not. In. My. Head. It's not an anxiety attack.
So how about it; am I going to be stuck with "panic disorder" until my
tombstone reads 'I TOLD you I was sick?"

I don't deal well with people one-on-one, especially with doctors-
unless I'm being the advocate for someone else: then I can be as
eloquent as Socrates. When it's for me, however, I wimp out, I don't
seem to be able to communicate well. Therefore, I'm writing this. What
do I do now? What do I have to do to get a doctor to cross 'panic
disorder' off the paper, and look for something else? If I go see
someone some time this week, will you forget, please, about filing me
under 'obese post menopausal nutcase who is wasting my time,' and
figure out why I am A: hurting, B; tired, C: short of breath, so that
I can finish my Masters degree, my teaching credential, get started on
the PhD program I've been accepted into, and get ON with things? Do
you think that when you have to call ME 'Doctor," I'll finally get
taken off the 'kook' list? It's not like I haunt the office; I see a
doctor maybe once a year, the annual flu shot and asthma check. Nobody
can accuse me of hypochondria.

Sorry for the vent, I'm just too tired, and too tired of this, to be
polite.
D - 15 Apr 2007 04:48 GMT
> Nearly a month ago I came into the Urgent Care clinic with an asthma
> attack. I was given two breathing treatments, a shot of corticosteroid
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
> Sorry for the vent, I'm just too tired, and too tired of this, to be
> polite

Ever look up around you.   Have you totally missed them Xing chemtrail
contrails all over the skies in every single state?  These chemtrails
do not dissipate, they have the ability to expand and bind to other
expanding chemtrails
to form their own clouds.

They are finding aluminum and barium and magneseum oxides along with a
plastic product of silica.

Go ask for your local results for the water tested around your area
for the past 7 years since 1999.
Their is elevated metallic content during specific times of the year
and also using fancy lingo a higher
incident of Specific Conductance or the water has increased magnetic
properties.

So if our drinking , clothes washing, body bathing water has more
magnetic properties then your body is
going to attract a higher amount of energy, from say EM fields that
lately are a hell of a lot closer to our
bodies then they would like us to be aware of.

Since you can't have electric without the magnetic energy, basically
electromagnetic energy is the same thing.
So if magnetic fluxes are building up around us and from our homes
appliances, then because our bodies are
a conductive surface then the increased magnetic field molecules/atoms
can transfer to our conductive tissue.

Since the voltage is so minimal, most are not even aware or feeling
the nanosized continuous itsy bitsy nanoshocks.  This continuous
nanovoltage shocks are building up in our bodies, and in certain
resonant cavities
inside our bodies.  Especially fluid fields of lungs, ears, abd, blood
flows.  Sensations are slowly numbing
in your case the chest.

Think of a thin wire being turned very slowly taking all the tension
out of the wire and becoming more taunt.
Same thing skin hair pores.  One side of your brain controls one side
of your body which creates that side of the
body to do actions clockwise.  Then the other side of the body
controlled by the other lobe instructs that side
of the body actions counterclockwise.

So this nanovoltage is manipulating a sensation of a body's hair
follicle to start an action, which produces that
area near a lungs resonant cavity for somereason to attract to the
lungs vibrational echos or maybe we are breathing in those
nanoparticle metallic chemicals which are clinging to the inside of
our lungs and piling up in certain areas
like clotting.  So we are breathing in metallic nanoparticles, they
have been using nanoparticles for about the
last 5 years or more to be a more cost effective food preservative,
its in the water, so its building up in our blood,
and dna and hair strands.

Some of us, like you are taking on or attracting more and more of the
free electrons of EM energy that is being
over produced and over loading circuits because of cheap and shoddy
components that no longer stops the
magnetic energy and instead overloads the electrical outlets all
around us.

But they allowed this to happen, because they had another use for all
this over produced EM energy swirling all around us.   It could of
never of reached this magnitude of EM energy around us without them
taking away the
precautions that prevented it before.

For every action their is a reaction.  They created the rules that
allowed thinner and cheaper materials to be used that reduced the
ability of an electrical component to control the magnetic flux
flowing thru it.
Take away its power to control the magnetic flux flowing thru each and
every device throughtout our homes
and on our electrical power transmission lines and power grids and you
got a magnitude of EM energy
leaking all around.
dianaiad - 15 Apr 2007 05:50 GMT
<snip to>

> Ever look up around you.   Have you totally missed them Xing chemtrail
> contrails all over the skies in every single state?  These chemtrails
> do not dissipate, they have the ability to expand and bind to other
> expanding chemtrails
> to form their own clouds.

Great googly moogly.
TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com - 15 Apr 2007 05:17 GMT
> Nearly a month ago I came into the Urgent Care clinic with an asthma
> attack. I was given two breathing treatments, a shot of corticosteroid
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
> Sorry for the vent, I'm just too tired, and too tired of this, to be
> polite.

You can still have problems with your heart. An ECG only tells if you
have problems with the electrical impulses of your heart. It won't
tell if you have plaque buildup in any of your arteries or if you have
damaged heart tissue.

If your doctor only gave you an ECG and your are having chest pains,
and pains that radiate up your jaw line, then you need to get your
heart checked out. Not just an ECG either, tell your doctor you want a
full work up of your ticker.

Don't take no for an answer either.
dianaiad - 15 Apr 2007 06:00 GMT
On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip to answer>

> You can still have problems with your heart. An ECG only tells if you
> have problems with the electrical impulses of your heart. It won't
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Don't take no for an answer either.

You are quite right. What I have done is to purchase some Prilosec
from Wal Mart. If three or four days of that don't fix me up, I'll go
back and yell. I figure if two or three weeks of this hasn't killed
me, a few more days won't, either.

Shoot, I'm beginning to  believe that being diagnosed with a panic
disorder is a miracle, something that everyone should hope for; it
seems to confer  upon the patient so designated both immortality and
eternal good health. After all, a panic/anxiety attack won't kill you,
and you certainly aren't going to be diagnosed with anything ELSE!!!

Thanks for the advice...and could you tell me something? Is "D"
serious?
Jason - 15 Apr 2007 19:20 GMT
> On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Thanks for the advice...and could you tell me something? Is "D"
> serious?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I agree that you should get a stress test which is the medical term for a
test of your heart and blood flow system. I also suggest that you have a
thyroid function and adrenal function blood tests. You may want to read
this book since it help you learn about all of the different adrenal
related problems:
"Adrenal Fatique" by James L. Wilson
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
dianaiad - 15 Apr 2007 20:08 GMT
> In article <1176613219.929414.285...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you, Jason. I will call and make an appointment for a full
physical in the morning. Perhaps, if I tell them WHY, they won't make
me wait three months. ;-) On the other hand, it IS Kaiser.....
David Wright - 15 Apr 2007 21:02 GMT
>> In article <1176613219.929414.285...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>physical in the morning. Perhaps, if I tell them WHY, they won't make
>me wait three months. ;-) On the other hand, it IS Kaiser.....

Diana, please note that Jason is not any sort of medical
professional.  He also has no medical experience and very little
knowledge.  But he just LOVES to give medical advice, even though it's
always uninformed and frequently wrong.  He has been slapped down for
this many times, but is constitutionally incapable of stopping, nor
does he usually remember to mention that he has no basis for giving
medical advice.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher
dianaiad - 15 Apr 2007 23:37 GMT
> In article <1176664114.021836.48...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>      These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
>      "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

Thank you, David.

You will have to excuse me, given that when I go to an actual doctor
just to get patted upon the head and told to go home and take an
antidepressant (or a tranquilizer, or just get out of their faces...)
I need to come and rant someplace.

The internet seems like a fairly good 'someplace.' Nobody can sue me,
I can't sue anybody....it's all good.

I think that a good physical is still probably a good idea--if only to
provide a baseline from which my decrepit old age can descend.
D - 15 Apr 2007 20:58 GMT
> On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Thanks for the advice...and could you tell me something? Is "D"
> serious?

All it takes is for you to look up in the sky for yourself and watch
the activity and watch
the chemical action of a chem/contrail for yourself ability to expand.

 Let your own eyes answer your question if I am serious or not.
David Wright - 15 Apr 2007 20:59 GMT
>> On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>  Let your own eyes answer your question if I am serious or not.

People who go on about "chemtrails" are deadly serious, but should not
be taken seriously.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher
D - 16 Apr 2007 12:15 GMT
> In article <1176667094.792002.201...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well I guess this David had absolutely nothing else to use against the
truth of the aluminum and barum they
are seeding the atmosphere with along with the silica and who knows
whatever chemicals using nanoparticle
technologys, so instead a stab at debunking by claiming he has
knowledge of all people who bring up a subject that has to do with
contrails that instead of dissipating now have the ability to expand
for miles by pretending to infer he has lots of contact outside of
this internet in which to base his opinion on, which since I have
referenced
100's of people in every state across the United States are
discovering the truth for themselves he could not of
possibly met them unless he goes out and sits on one of chemtrails
forums and pretends to be concerned
but probably a sleeper spy who gets paid to mislead others from a
topic and to mislead others from considering
the statement being presented.

endalphabetajptphbckpsignal one signal two signal three signal four
darkmagnetictraps
dianaiad - 16 Apr 2007 15:54 GMT
> > In article <1176667094.792002.201...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> endalphabetajptphbckpsignal one signal two signal three signal four
> darkmagnetictraps

That'll teach me.
David Wright - 21 Apr 2007 03:34 GMT
>> In article <1176667094.792002.201...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>this internet in which to base his opinion on, which since I have
>referenced

Hahahaha.  Anyone can type "chemtrails" into google and see what you
come up with.  One nutball site after another, most of them quoting
each other, none producing anything that might reasonably be called
"evidence."  Not to mention how they're generously larded with
information, if I may call it that, about how you can protect yourself
from the evil chemtrails with orgone generators.  

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher
D - 21 Apr 2007 10:33 GMT
> In article <1176722114.884095.43...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

The lard always comes from the debunkers.  Their is so much evidence
out their on the web of jets
Xing our skies and videos showing a contrail not dissipating but
instead expand until it reaches another
chemtrail that is expanding also.
David Wright - 22 Apr 2007 17:47 GMT
>> In article <1176722114.884095.43...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
>instead expand until it reaches another
>chemtrail that is expanding also.

You must live in some interesting place where they don't have clouds.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher
dianaiad - 15 Apr 2007 23:46 GMT
> > On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>   Let your own eyes answer your question if I am serious or not.

D, I live very close to Edwards Air Force Base. One of the delights of
my life is to watch the contrails, and get to see all the new secret
airplanes before all the rest of you do. Watching the stealth bomber
and the fighters shoot like shaftless arrowheads through the sky,
weaving cloud tails behind them, to watch the wind (the jetstream,
most of the time) blow them into feathered sky fantasies...

.....and be forced inside, not by the contrails, but because of the
idiot who planted pampas grass next door and makes me sneeze.

I'll tell you something. Do NOT tell me about the dangers of chemicals
and dealing with them. My husband was one of the literally hundreds of
men who contracted cancer as a result of working at the  Lockheed
Skunk Works, and one of the nine men who died because of it. If there
was anybody who could be excused for paranoia about stuff like this,
it would, you would think, be me.

However, BECAUSE of this, I have done a huge amount of research on the
matter. I am confident that contrails are not destroying the
atmosphere, the earth, or even giving anybody hayfever.

Not to mention that I have no clue whatsoever what contrails have to
do with me being diagnosed with a panic disorder because I have mild
chest pains that are probably heartburn.

But hey, that's just me.
D - 20 Apr 2007 22:51 GMT
On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Nearly a month ago I came into the Urgent Care clinic with an asthma
> > attack. I was given two breathing treatments, a shot of corticosteroid
[quoted text clipped - 116 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

They say energy flowing around you can cause your heart to have
problems.
Check out this video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYhOExQ1j9g

Please note the haze is no graphic.  The zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz of the
haze is the energy pulsating along the
object of the flag pole, or wood fence, or metal gate.  If you pause
the video anywhere you can see where
the haze is along objects but no haze in other areas of the video.
Energy creates heat waves in this manner
I am told.  Maybe geothermal energy seeping out from underground which
would be magnetically charged too
so that it held to a pathway like along the flag pole.
David Wright - 22 Apr 2007 17:46 GMT
>On Apr 14, 9:17 pm, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 122 lines]
>problems.
>Check out this video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYhOExQ1j9g

Terrible camera work.

>Please note the haze is no graphic.  The zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz of the
>haze is the energy pulsating along the
>object of the flag pole, or wood fence, or metal gate.

Total craziness.  What "haze?"  There's some optical hazing due to
limited camera resolution and lack of contrast, but nothing in the
video even makes any sense.  "Storing energy in the sewers?"  You seem
to have gotten your concepts from reading really bad fiction.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

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