--- quoting from http://www.slate.com/id/2116402/
detaching muscles from bones and bones from one another. (Tendons
connect muscles to bones;
ligaments connect bones to each other.....
Glenn Fleisig, a biomechanical engineer who studies pitching at the
American Sports Medicine
Institute in Birmingham, Ala., has calculated that about 80 Newton-
meters of torque act on an
elite pitcher's elbow when he throws a fastball
--- end quoting in parts from http://www.slate.com/id/2116402/
I quoted the above because there is an upper limit to the stresses
that the elbow endures in
Overarm snapping elbow throw. Apparently that limit is about 80 Newton-
meters.
Again that emphasizes that the major seat of evolution between the
human species and all other primates is
that the elbow is the focal point of Throwing which caused neocortex
brain expansion and throwing caused to create
bipedalism. The elbow is the weakest point of throwing, yet it is the
elbow of human species that is far
superior in throwing compared to any ape. So here we have a number for
that strength and weakness of the
human elbow.
--- quoting in part http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/physics.htm
Distance thrown, d=Vcos(n)t'; substitute:
d=Vcos(n)(Vsin(n)+sqrt[(Vsin(n))^2 + 19.6h])/9.8.
So this is the relationship of distance thrown (d), angle of release
(n), height of release (h),
and release velocity (V).
--- end quoting in part http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/physics.htm
It is neat to be able to say that the species human-kind compared to
say the chimpanzee species
or bonobo species can be given by a mathematics formula as well as a
DNA genome mapping.
Now I am not saying that the above math formula distinguishes homo-
sapiens from chimp species
but I am saying that a formula does exist that distinguishes Homo-
sapiens from any ape species
and that formula is a formula involving the ability of the body to
throw rocks and stones.
But science has not fully listed and given measure to the various
types of throwing. There are at least
three types of throwing and very many more. I list the three main
ones:
(a) Underarm pendulum sling throw: this is done by women in softball.
It keeps the elbow somewhat
stiff. And the throw pivots through a 180 degree angle. This is the
throw that chimpanzees display
when they throw feces in zoos
(b) Overarm pendulum sling throw: also called windmill throw, this is
done by cricket-sport throwers
where the elbow is kept
rather stiff and where the elbow is not injured but that the should in
Rotator Cuff is given a work out.
In the overarm sling throw the arm pivots through a 360 degree angle.
(c) Overarm snapping elbow thrust throw: this is done most often by
baseball pitchers who want to
achieve the "fastball". This is the throw that our ancestors would
have used as their best throw to
kill another animal or scare off. It is the throw that achieves the
maximum distance, and maximum
force. It uses several torques. It uses 180 degree pivot of arms. It
uses a 90 degree pivot of shoulder
and backbone. Plus it uses anywhere from 180 to 360 degree pivot in
legs and feet. So the reason
the fastball occurs in the snapping elbow overarm is that so many
torques are involved that are not
involved in (b) or (a).
In the above math formula of throwing it is the Overarm snapping elbow
that is wanted to be described
but is not fully filled in with all the torques involved in Overarm
elbow snapping compared to Overarm
windmill.
There is alot of physics going on in (c) and apparently no-one has
fully described the physics in a website
to the Internet. There may have been someone who wrote a book on a
more full description with math
formulas, and if so, I am not aware of it.
I am content in saying that Overarm Elbow Snapping is the maximum
efficient Throwing since it involves the
upper arm and lower arm with elbow at midpoint to deliver maximum
thrust. It is the geometry that the elbow
is the midpoint of the arm that proves humanity was a Throwing primate
whereas the other primates were not
(c) type throwers.
That if someone has written out a complete formula for (c) type
throwing that includes all the torques. That the
formula would assume that the Elbow joint is the midpoint of the arm.
That if a chimp were to throw overarm
snapping elbow, and because the chimp elbow is not at the midpoint,
that the chimp is either unable to throw
(c) at all, or if able would be a poor and tiny result.
In the physics of throwing it is known as a geometrical principle that
the greatest distance achieved in
a throw is when the initial trajectory is 45 degree angle and it lands
at a 45 degree angle. In other words
equilateral triangle for initiation and landing. Similarly, to achieve
maximum thrust in an animal that throws
rocks and stones, the elbow has to be at the midpoint of the arm. So
our earliest ancestors probably had
arms much like what chimps have today where their lower arm is longer
than upper arm.
So, even though I do not have the full formula, today, to write out
all the torques and thrust of throwing
overarm snapping elbow (c) style throwing. I do have the key principle
in that throwing style that maximizes
Throwing. The key principle is that the elbow is at the midpoint of
the arm. So when the full formula is given,
that the maximum in throwing exists when the elbow is the midpoint and
thus the upper arm and lower arm
form an equilateral triangle.
I suspect someone in the last century fully wrote out a formula to
describe (c) with all of its torques and thrust.
And there is a minor experiment that I can perform that proves the
equilateral triangle maximum. We get
steel rods with holes spaced variously and we assemble these rods with
a pivot joint. Picture a switch blade
knife where the blade is equal to the handle in distance. And other
knives where the blade is shorter or longer
than the handle. And we measure the thrust and torque. The knife that
has maximum thrust is where
the blade length equals the handle length.
Archimedes Plutonium
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nickname - 11 Mar 2007 22:57 GMT
> --- quoting fromhttp://www.slate.com/id/2116402/
> detaching muscles from bones and bones from one another. (Tendons
[quoted text clipped - 140 lines]
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/behavior/darwin_primate_tool_use_2007.html
a_plutonium - 12 Mar 2007 09:07 GMT
someone wrote:
>/reviews/behavior/darwin_primate_tool_
Above is a description of what some people observed baboons on a high
wall or cliff and dropped
things below.
So why bother with irrelevancies. One reason most people cannot do
science is because
they cannot distinguish between what is relevant and what is
irrelevant. What follows, and what
is non sequitur.
It is irrelevant. So what if a baboon or ape is on a rock escarpment
or a cliff above you
or a wall above you and all of a sudden you see something fall nearby.
Is dropping a
branch or dropping a stone or dropping a feces, is dropping all of a
sudden now called
throwing.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
rmacfarl - 12 Mar 2007 23:20 GMT
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a_plutonium - 12 Mar 2007 09:21 GMT
> --- quoting in part http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/physics.htm
> Distance thrown, d=Vcos(n)t'; substitute:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and release velocity (V).
> --- end quoting in part http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/physics.htm
Okay, if I am correct that Stonethrowing created bipedalism and
running, then the biophysics
of throwing is related to running. In other words, running is the way
the legs throw the rest of the body
forward. But running involves two appendages throwing whereas throwing
by the arm involves only
one appendage.
Now if the formula for throwing is d=Vcos(n)(Vsin(n)+sqrt[(Vsin(n))^2
+ 19.6h])/9.8.
And that formula involves just one arm. Well, would the formula for
Running be d=2 ( Vcos(n)(Vsin(n)+sqrt[(Vsin(n))^2 + 19.6h])/9.8)
Simply just a doubling of the throwing formula?
I doubt it.
And I realize that the formula for throwing overarm snapping of the
elbow is a more complex
formula than the above given one.
And we shall have to give three formulas for each one of these forms
of throwing that I described
a few days ago:
(a) Underarm pendulum sling throw: this is done by women in softball.
It keeps the elbow somewhat
stiff. And the throw pivots through a 180 degree angle. This is the
throw that chimpanzees display
when they throw feces in zoos
(b) Overarm pendulum sling throw: also called windmill throw, this is
done by cricket-sport throwers
where the elbow is kept
rather stiff and where the elbow is not injured but that the should in
Rotator Cuff is given a work out.
In the overarm sling throw the arm pivots through a 360 degree angle.
(c) Overarm snapping elbow thrust throw: this is done most often by
baseball pitchers who want to
achieve the "fastball". This is the throw that our ancestors would
have used as their best throw to
kill another animal or scare off. It is the throw that achieves the
maximum distance, and maximum
force. It uses several torques. It uses 180 degree pivot of arms. It
uses a 90 degree pivot of shoulder
and backbone. Plus it uses anywhere from 180 to 360 degree pivot in
legs and feet. So the reason
the fastball occurs in the snapping elbow overarm is that so many
torques are involved that are not
involved in (b) or (a).
This is not easy math and not easy physics.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
a_plutonium - 13 Mar 2007 07:40 GMT
> > --- quoting in part http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/physics.htm
> > Distance thrown, d=Vcos(n)t'; substitute:
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>
> This is not easy math and not easy physics.
No, I suspect it is not that easy of just a doubling of the throwing
formula to equal the running
formula. The torques in overarm snapping elbow are far different from
running which is more like
the overarm stiff elbow windmill style or even the underarm stiff
elbow style. The knee acts more
like the rotator cuff in throwing than the elbow joint.
I do not have a better formula at this time. What I do have is the
first scientific probe into the idea
that the formula for Throwing is equal by a factor of the formula for
Running. I am the first scientist
to realize that Running is simply compound-throwing and that the legs
throw the rest of the body
forward. And this is important evolution-wise because it shows us that
one came first and created
the other, and obviously running did not come first.
I do not have the mathematical formula for Running and for Throwing
where the two are related
and equal by a factor. But I will keep trying to work up a model that
will reveal the formula.
But what I do have for certain is the fact that equilateral triangles
are formed in the act of throwing
and running because the joints of knee and elbow are midpoints and
give maximum thrust to
throwing and running.
I am going to conclude this book for now and pick up some time in the
future when I have the above
formula clear.
Also, I want to remark about the fossil record between that of Orrorin
to Homo-sapiens. There are alot
of fossils found between Orrorin and Homo-sapiens but no
anthropologist has cataloged all those
findings with the premiss that Stonethrowing is the main mechanism of
evolving ape-like creature some
10-12 million years ago to Homo-sapiens. To place in some lineage all
the fossils found to date based
on Stonethrowing with the elbow at midpoint and all of the arm bones
compared.
So I propose a convention of all the anthropologists who have bones of
our early ancestors, to hold
this convention and to make comparative analysis of all the evidence
based on Throwing. Sort of reminds
me of the subject of Geology before Continental Drift came along and
once Continental Drift was seen as the
mainspring of geology then geology could make sense of their subject.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
a_plutonium - 20 Mar 2007 03:57 GMT
I posted all of this to Wikipedia in thier entry of Bipedalism. I was
the author of the Biophysics of
Bipedalism, but since a few Wikipedia editors are playing some sort of
game and not serious about
anything, they cut most of this except for a portion of the
biophysics.
--- quoting what AP originally wrote into Wikipedia entry on
bipedalism ---
- '''Stonethrowing theory''' - - This theory was
presented by Archimedes Plutonium in
a 2002 "Internet book" posted to newsgroups of anthropology. It says
that humanity evolved
mostly under one single mechanism - the throwing of rocks and stones.
The ability to throw
rocks and stones started sometime about 12 to 10 million years ago
with Oreopithecus and
evolved and carried on into Orrorin and finally humanity. The theory
says that some apelike
creature some 10-12 million years ago started throwing rocks and
stones at first in the
underarm-sling style and later evolving into overarm stiff elbow
pendulum-sling style and later
evolving into overarm snapping thrust at the elbow. This throwing gave
this creature so much
more advantages in warding off rivals for mating, in catching food, in
warding off predators, in
living in the open, etc etc. About 7 million years ago the
evolutionary changes of stonethrowing
created bipedalism because bipedalism further advanced the proficiency
and enhancement of
stonethrowing. So without stonethrowing there would not be a biped
primate today.
- * [[Archimedes Plutonium|Plutonium, Archimedes]], "STONETHROWING
THEORY IS
THE DOMINANT THEORY OF ANTHROPOLOGY", 2002 "Internet book".
Biophysics of bipedalism
According to the stonethrowing theory as given by Archimedes
Plutonium, walking and
running is related to throwing. Physics-wise, running is the same as
throwing. And because
throwing created bipedalism (running) they are one and the same
physics configuration.
The knee joint is at the midpoint of the lower leg to foot and upper
leg to pelvis. The same
is true for throwing in that the elbow is at a midpoint between the
lower arm to knuckle and
upper arm to shoulder. Throwing is running in reverse and the joint
through evolutionary
migration ends up as the midpoint for maximum proficiency. The
midpoint as the joint
delivers maximum thrust. Chimpanzees do not throw overarm and are not
bipeds and this
is obvious because their joints of knee and elbow are not at the
midpoint. - Physics
proves this in the idea that midpoint joint forms an equilateral
triangle which gives
maximum thrust to throwing and maximum thrust to running.
Notice in this picture frame above "A Man Running - Edward Muybridge"
that there are two
frames in which one leg is fully extended to a 180 degree position of
upper leg and lower
leg, simultaneous with the other leg almost contiguous of the upper
leg with lower leg.
This is the same physics features in overarm throwing snapping of the
elbow (not
overarm stiff elbow sling style) where the upper arm is virtually
contiguous to the lower
arm just before the thrust forward and snapping of the elbow joint. So
just as in running,
throwing achieves maximum thrust forward when the knee and elbow are
midpoints in
the configuration. Running is what physics would call the throwing of
the body forward
by two legs.
--- end quoting what Archimedes Plutonium, in toto, wrote for that
bipedalism entry of
Wikipedia ---
Since a few Wiki rogue editors cut nearly everything I wrote except
for the Biophysics and
biophysics paragraph, I feel Wiki is not entitled to have that
portion. I consider it a form of
plagarism or theft of an author. These rogue editors of Wikipedia say
that my entry is
"new theory" which is really silly because this entry has a list of 7
to 12 models which
are all "new theory". I listed Stonethrowing theory which is the best
model for how humanity
became bipedal. But because of these rogue Wiki editors, the minute
they see the name
Archimedes Plutonium, they have to dream up an excuse to get rid of
the entry.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies