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OT: Jim Left! Venting! Spilling My Guts!!

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Dee - 28 Jul 2003 14:36 GMT
I'm just gonna vent and spill out my feelings for a bit .. hope you don't
mind ...

I sit here feeling terrible ... as expected I'm sure.  I know it seems that
when a bad thing stops, it's suppose to be good ... but not so ... at least
not right away.  How could I make him leave his home?  The only place he
knew?  His office sits there with his computer, his papers ... books ..
software .. he SO wanted to learn Dreamweaver ... I sit here crying as I
type ... cause I'm not so sure I wasn't the one who made this go bad.

I know .. you will say I'm blaming myself ... and letting him get to me ...
but no .. not really .. I guess I'm really trying to be  honest with myself.
I wasn't the perfect wife by no means ... I mean... I know the REASON I
yelled at him ... and bitched ... was because he hurt me .. and wasn't there
for me.. but he wasn't there for me the way "I" wanted him to be ... the way
I needed.   Was that HIS fault?  Or was it just that he wasn't the man I
needed .. and never could be ... and all my yellling and bitching ... and
calling him names .. and yes I admit .. I did call him so pretty bad
things... did any of that help?  No!  All it did was push him further from
me ... and hurt him inside.  I guess I wish he were feeling these things too
... it would make it easier on me .. that he's hurting too .. that he's
sorry HE hurt ME too ...

He did so many things for me ... while married ... and before he left .. he
set me up with my own business in the beginning .. not pushing me to work
... and just work on my business ... I did that for many years .. and did
bring in some income .. but I would quit one idea and go to the next .. so
my business never really took off good ... nor did I ever make allot of
money from it.  He worked hard .. all the time ... and he never gave me a
problem about working.  ok .. a few times he would say maybe I should go to
work ... and to tell the truth, back before I got sick ... I just hated
working!  I would find excuses ... and he would accept them.

Now .. I truly am sick ... and it's hard to imagine myself working full time
... I'm almost positive I can't.  I'm not sure about part time ... I do know
that I'm painting ... and selling the paintings a little on ebay.  I just
made a few cloth dolls and sold a them on ebay also.  I have an idea I'm
working on with a few other women ... with dolls .. and it might go over
well and bring in some income ... and I've thought of having home shows with
dolls that other folks make ... and I resell .. but I'm not sure I have the
energy for that either.  I'd really love to work on my paintings ... and
sell them more often.

I may HAVE to go to work part time.... but it scares me so!

He did so many things he didn't have to do .. before he left .... he gave me
his BIG monitor .. his new mouse, and ALL his memory ... so I could have a
nice computer system to work with.  He also gave me the printer.  He took
out the mattress he had been sleeping on this morning before going to work
... and he put his clothes in a plastic garbage bag.    :-(

It hurt me so much to see him have to give up everything!  I had a short
talk with him before he left ... and told him that I've tried to do this as
nice as I can ... and that he knew we had to separate, that he wanted it too
... and there was no easy way of doing it.  I told him I was so sorry that
he had no money or place to stay ... but I was scared for myself too ...
what I'm going to do ... where I'm getting the money to live. He acted upset
.. and hurt ... more upset .. annoyed .. angry .. and that made me feel
worse.

I just don't know ... I'm so confused!  I'm SO scared that he'll be in
another woman's arms soon ... he's in the pitcrew for his newphews racing
team ... and at the track there are so many opportunities.  I still do love
him .. and yet I know he hurt me ... and I know he wasn't good for me in
many ways ... yet I hurt him too, and I wasn't good for him.
  I hate this!!  I know .. time .. time .. time .. but what if I made a
mistake? ??????

I'm done now .... anybody?
Dee
Dee - 28 Jul 2003 16:03 GMT
I just felt I needed to tell what he did to hurt me in our marriage... cause
as I re-read my first post, I see me blaming myself for everything ... well
.. for allot.

I think the things that hurt the most were:  him being immature and not
standing up for me with his family, not taking MY side .. but theirs.  Not
making his children respect me when they first met me.  His brother can do
NO wrong ... and he's hurt me terribly standing up for his brother over me
and my feelings.  When his nephews would talk vulgar and degrading about
women (which is MOST of the time), and I told him it bothered me to be
around them ... he got mad at ME ... telling me that's how they are ... and
either I don't go to the house ... or I accept it... instead of him saying
something .. standing up for me.

He had a past with very young girls .. as you recall .... and I always felt
(all though he never said this) that I was in competition with them ... and
with the last live-in 16 year old he was with.  She of course, was 16 .. and
healthy ... lively .. and loved the races!  Her father and brother raced too
... so she was raised in it, and knew all about it .. which I never did.  I
enjoyed going with him on occasion, but when I did ... it would be the
family that talks vulgar ... and they pretty much ignored me most of the
night ... but Jim would get upset at me for not being more friendly ... but
I was .. it's just that they're so cold ... and I feel very uncomfortable
around them.  But he always wanted to go anyway ... without me ... and he
did several times ... and I sat home sad and lonely.

He was very unaffectionate ... and hardly ever hugged me, or kissed me on
his own.  We could go for days without touching ... if I didn't approach
him.  It was very hard on me.. as I'm a very lovable person.  Even when I
DID approach him, many times he got annoyed ... or would 'grab' me ... and
want sex.  Now mind you .. I love sex ... probably more than he does ... so
that wasn't a problem him wanting sex .. but it WAS a problem that sex was
always 'FU----G' if you can read between the letters.  And it was always
quick and dirty .. him using very vulgar words and expressions.  I didn't
mind that once in a while ... but not all the time!  When I would ask him to
make love to me ... he would get annoyed and not know what to do!

And when I tried talking to him about these things .. he would get mad or
annoyed and say that if I didn't find fault (that's his way of saying that I
want to talk about things that were bothering me) ... then he could be the
husband I needed.  I doubt it .. cause when we were in marriage counseling
... I followed the counselor and went 2 straight weeks without asking him
for anything ... or picking on him ... or finding any fault .. or asking him
to talk .. nothing.  I was as sweet and loving and helpful to him as I could
be.  What happened?  He got me flowers once .. and that's it!  He dropped
the bomb on me ... and never did much of anything else .. that the counselor
told him to work on.  The counselor told me that he just didn't want to work
on his life .. or our marriage.  'sigh'

His whole family is cold ... and hard to get close to ... and critical .. so
I guess he's part of the family!

I really didn't mean to just come in here and bash him ... I guess I'm sort
of journaling publicly .. to see how he's hurt me ... to remember ... but ..
'sigh' ... when I feel sad about things .. it still doesn't help.    :-(

Hold my hand guys ... and lend a shoulder ... this is the hard time's a
comin!

Hugs,
Dee
J Rogow - 28 Jul 2003 16:07 GMT
He's trying to send you on a major guilt-trip.

Don't go!

> I'm just gonna vent and spill out my feelings for a bit .. hope you
> don't mind ...
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> I'm done now .... anybody?
> Dee
Dee - 28 Jul 2003 16:52 GMT
Hi J,

I know ... it seems that way .. but for today ... and for a bit .. it will
be hard for me to believe that.    :-(

I do truly believe he wanted me to have nice things ... all though I AM the
one who asked for his monitor, he didn't vollunteer it .. but he DID put in
all his memory for me ...

Sorry ... I'm starting to cry again ... got to go ... bad day .. first day
... you know.

Thanks so much for being here ...
Hugs,
Dee

> He's trying to send you on a major guilt-trip.
>
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> > I'm done now .... anybody?
> > Dee
Mair - 28 Jul 2003 19:47 GMT
Dee,

I have been sitting in your position in the past.  Please trust us on the NG
here, that you made the right decision...it is hard because you are afraid.
I have at least 5 major health disorders and I have emotional disorders as
well.  In the past the completely bizarre feeling that if my husband leaves
I will literally *disappear*--some strange feeling of getting "lost" and
never getting found again.  These feeling have a completely logical basis
for little children, but sometimes as adults we don't realize that we have
not outgrown all of them.

You do need to think about supporting yourself, and not overdoing yourself.
the best thing he can give you, rather than "the large monitor and the
mouse" is temporary support.  Depending on the state you live in the court
can order it.  Get as much as you can for as long as you can, and you should
know that amount right up front.  that will bring your anxiety level down
several notches.

Take things in little steps.  I have so much more I could tell you, but this
is so much right here.  I didn't have time to read all of your posts... but
I will go back.

When the feelings get really bad, just find something to do.  And we are
here for you.

It's gonna be okay.
But more imortantly,
it *is* okay, right now.
I'ts okay.  It IS okay.

You're not bleeding.
Take a deep breath.
the house is not on fire.
Take a deep breath.

Your heart hurts badly
Cry and feel the hurt

Its okay to be hurting
Its not fun, but its okay
Take a deep breath.

Mair

> I'm just gonna vent and spill out my feelings for a bit .. hope you don't
> mind ...
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> I'm done now .... anybody?
> Dee
 
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