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Erina - 16 Jan 2004 11:42 GMT
I have had very severe vasculitis in my hands and feet during the 1980 so it
involved swelling and pain in my toes and fingers. on the whole it resolved
when my lupus was treated at that time prednisolone was the treatment used
.It consisted of red painful lumps, which leads to numbness in the feet and
hands eventually.
It is not pleasant ,but can lead to cerebral involvement  which can lead to
strokes which did happen in my case , so it should not be taken lightly .
Warmest wishes
Erina
AntonsonDJ@comcast.net - 17 Jan 2004 02:53 GMT
Erina,

I'm sorry to hear that you have vasculitis.  Did I read correctly that you
did have a stroke?  I feel for you as strokes have run in my father's family
as well as My wife's family.

My wife, Kelley (43), has been battling both SLE and DLE throughout her
system since Apr01.  It has now turned on to her kidneys, heart and caused
vasculitis in her brain among a host of symptoms.  Both we and her doctors
at Walter Reed are very concerned.  We don't know what her longterm
prognosis will be (hopeful, but realistic too), but Kelley gave me a bad
scare over the holidays as her kidneys and bowels shut down for several days
as a result of severe dehydration due to catching the flu.  Unfortunately, I
was the culprit that brought it home to her.  10 days at Walter Reed got her
up and going again thank God.  Neither of us is ready for my to be a single
parent of our 3-year old daughter, Kelsey (who is currently staying with my
sister for the next 2 months while Kelley recuperates).

Kelley finds herself being forced to face this head on now as she was in
denial for a long time.  It is hard for me as her caregiver as I feel that
I'm standing on the sidelines only offering comfort, but it is the best that
I can offer.

regards,
Daniel

> I have had very severe vasculitis in my hands and feet during the 1980 so it
> involved swelling and pain in my toes and fingers. on the whole it resolved
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> Warmest wishes
> Erina
Shelagh - 17 Jan 2004 03:36 GMT
<AntonsonDJ@comcast.net> wrote in message
: Erina,
: I'm sorry to hear that you have vasculitis.  Did I read correctly that you
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: regards,
: Daniel

Oh Daniel that is just wonderful !
.... I mean the fact that you can and are offering her comfort
and support!
That is so much more than alot of the members here have in their
court and it says alot about your character as well as the
obvious fact that you love her!
I wish you both tremendous good luck and an excellent prognosis
which finds you both doting on each other in your 'old age'! <g>
Hugs from Shelagh
Erina - 17 Jan 2004 10:24 GMT
Daniel I have survived 22 year since my stroke but I am considerably dis
disabled now.      I have had to fight my Drs all along the way.
Offering comfort is very valuable to the patient. It is the small  things
that are often appreciated most in life because they show you care and love
them,
Warmest wishes
Erina
> <AntonsonDJ@comcast.net> wrote in message
> : Erina,
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> which finds you both doting on each other in your 'old age'! <g>
> Hugs from Shelagh
BJ - 17 Jan 2004 14:59 GMT
Hi Daniel,
I was glad to see you back here again. I am so sorry to hear that Kelley has
had such a bad time. It sounds best that Kelsey be with her auntie for a
while. There is no way either of you could handle looking after her right
now. The focus has to be on Kelley's recovery. I don't know what to say,
really. Things can turn around suddenly and Kelley could find herself doing
much better. Even so, she will have an uphill climb. I know how long it can
take to come back from a lengthy flare. I am glad that she has you for
support. I hope you have someone with whom you can share your emotions. All
this is hard on the caregiver too. We are here, whenever you need to talk. I
wish you and your family all the best. I will keep you in my thoughts.
BJ-Sk. Canada
> Erina,
>
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> > Warmest wishes
> > Erina
herbwormwood - 19 Jan 2004 14:29 GMT
Hi,
I have had lupus for all my adult life and a few years ago I was diagnosed
with Antiphospholipid Syndrome too. I have been treated with warfarin,
aspirin,cyclophosphamide, imuran and prednisolone for it as it has caused
CNS symptoms and the docs think I get cerebral vasculits ( tho they have
never looked inside my brain so I dont see how they can say for sure).
A couple of years ago I had some numbness in my face and the dr put me on
a short booster course of prednisolone straight away as he thought the
cerebral vasculitis might be coming back. It soon cleared up and I was
able to go back to my "normal" meds. My point is that vasculitis, tho
scary, usually responds to treatment once properly diagnosed.

Lynne

> I have had very severe vasculitis in my hands and feet during the 1980 so it
> involved swelling and pain in my toes and fingers. on the whole it resolved
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> Warmest wishes
> Erina

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blader - 19 Jan 2004 16:21 GMT
While vasculitis secondary to some primary autoimmune disease such as
lupus may respond to prednisolone alone, primary autoimmune vasculitides
do not all go into remission on a corticosteroid alone.  A number of the
primary autoimmune vasculitides require more aggressive treatment.

Bruce
doe - 26 Jan 2004 16:22 GMT
>Subject: Vasculitis

Int Immunol. 2002 Mar; 14(3): 267-73.  Related Articles, Links  

 
Antioxidants inhibit mercuric chloride-induced early vasculitis.

Wu Z, Turner DR, Oliveira DB.

Division of Renal Medicine, St George's Hospital Medical School, Cranmer
Terrace, London SW17 0RE, UK. z.wu@sghms.ac.uk

In the Brown Norway (BN) rat, mercuric chloride (HgCl(2)) induces a
T(h)2-dominated autoimmune syndrome which includes an early phase of mast
cell-dependent vasculitis. We have shown in vitro that oxidative stress
up-regulates IL-4 in mast cells and predisposes to degranulation. The aim of
this study was to determine whether administration of antioxidants inhibits
HgCl(2)-induced early vasculitis in vivo, and, if so, to examine whether
modulation of the oxidative/antioxidative balance influences IgE and IL-4
expression by mast cells in situ. Groups of rats were given HgCl(2) + saline,
HgCl(2) + N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC), saline + saline or saline + NAC
respectively and blood was taken and animals killed 48 h later. NAC
significantly reduced both HgCl2-induced early vasculitis and HgCl(2)-enhanced
IgE expression on mast cells with a trend to a decrease in HgCl(2)-enhanced
IL-4 expression in these cells. In addition, there was an increased rat mast
cell protease (RMCP) II concentration in the serum after HgCl(2) injection and
the elevated levels of RMCP II stimulated by HgCl(2) were totally abolished by
the administration NAC in the HgCl(2) + NAC group. However, there was no
significant change in serum total IgE concentrations between the HgCl(2) +
saline group and the HgCl(2) + NAC group. The non-sulphydryl-containing
antioxidants desferrioxamine and pyruvate demonstrated a similar effect in
inhibiting HgCl(2)-induced early vasculitis. Our data show that administration
of an antioxidant to BN rats reduces HgCl(2)-induced early vasculitis,
suggesting that oxidative stress plays a role in the pathogenesis of
HgCl(2)-induced early vasculitis. This finding may have implications for the
understanding of the initiation in this experimental model of T(h)2 cell-driven
autoimmunity and possibly of analogous human diseases.

PMID: 11867563 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Erina - 27 Jan 2004 10:21 GMT
Doe, I am treated at St. Georges hospital now but by Dr. Axford , the
rheumatologist and immunologist. I also trained there years ago
Warm wishes
Erina

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doe - 27 Jan 2004 17:08 GMT
>Subject: Re: Vasculitis
>From: "Erina" erina@btinternet.com
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>Warm wishes
>Erina

Seems to me the name Oliveira DB rings a bell ..?

Is she the same person who 'rang the alarm' as to the persecution she
encountered when she 'stepped up' and attempted to 'discuss' the problems she
found with the trials of the iron binder / chelator desferrioxamine .. ?

She is heavily into the iron studies and she might not be adverse to attempting
to understand the implications of too much iron in the body .. which leads to a
depletion of 'anti'oxidants.

Vasculitis has been recently SHOWN to be implicated in the SAME syndrome ..
iron overload.

**For the first time, we present one patient with vasculitis of the central
nervous system associated with systemic hemochromatosis in superficial
siderosis. Therapeutic approach included immunosuppressive therapy and
venupunctures in the patient with vasculitis and hemochromatosis, and
symptomatic treatment with chelating agents and antioxidants. The patient
remained clinically stable for the follow-up period of up to 2 years.

CONCLUSIONS:
Our case underlines the pathogenetic heterogeneity of superficial siderosis and
favors the early diagnosis for prompt initiation of therapy. Besides treatment
of the underlying condition, antioxidants and radical scavengers may be
effective in halting the progression of the disease**

Acta Neurol Scand. 2003 Jan;107(1):54-61. Related Articles, Links

Superficial siderosis of the central nervous system: pathogenetic heterogeneity
and therapeutic approaches.

Leussink VI, Flachenecker P, Brechtelsbauer D, Bendszus M, Sliwka U, Gold R,
Becker G.

Department of Neurology, University of Wurzburg, Germany.
verena.leussink@mail.uni-weurzburg.de

OBJECTIVE: Superficial siderosis of the central nervous system (CNS) is a rare
chronic progressive disorder caused by chronic subarachnoid hemorrhage. We
present four patients with superficial siderosis of the CNS to describe the
characteristic symptoms, and to discuss the pathogenetic heterogeneity and
possible new therapeutic approaches. RESULTS: The causes of chronic
subarachnoid bleeding in superficial siderosis were different. In two patients
surgical treatment of ependymoma or cerebral cavernomas were the underlying
diseases. No cause was detected in one patient. For the first time, we present
one patient with vasculitis of the central nervous system associated with
systemic hemochromatosis in superficial siderosis. Therapeutic approaches
included exstirpation of cavernomas as the source of chronic bleeding in one
patient, immunosuppressive therapy and venupunctures in the patient with
vasculitis and hemochromatosis, and symptomatic treatment with chelating agents
and antioxidants. The patients remained clinically stable for the follow-up
period of up to 2 years. CONCLUSIONS: Our cases underline the pathogenetic
heterogeneity of superficial siderosis and favor the early diagnosis for prompt
initiation of therapy. Besides treatment of the underlying condition,
antioxidants and radical scavengers may be effective in halting the progression
of the disease.

PMID: 12542514 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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>> >Subject: Vasculitis
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>> Division of Renal Medicine, St George's Hospital Medical School, Cranmer
>> Terrace, London SW17 0RE, UK. z.wu@sghms.ac.uk

>> PMID: 11867563 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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