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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Lupus / November 2008Metal Sensitivity and Myalgic Encephalitis
I wonder if iron is a metal .. ? "We propose that inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " Neuroendocrinol Lett. 1999;20(5):289-298. Metal-specific lymphocytes: biomarkers of sensitivity in man. Stejskal VD, Danersund A, Lindvall A, Hudecek R, Nordman V, Yaqob A, Mayer W, Bieger W, Lindh U. Dept Clinical Chemistry, Danderyd Hospital and Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden. vera.mel...@swipnet.se Many patients attribute their health problems to amalgam and other dental metals. In genetically susceptible indviduals, mercury and gold may function as haptens and elicit allergic and autoimmune reactions. The frequency of metal-induced lymphocyte responses was examined in 3,162 patients in three European laboratories using MELISA(R), an optimized lymphocyte proliferation test. The patients suffered from local and systemic symptoms attributed to dental restorations. The effect of dental metal removal was studied in 111 patients with metal hypersensitivity and symptoms resembling Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). After consultation with a dentist the patients decided to replace their metal restorations with non-metallic materials. The changes in health and in vitro lymphocyte reactivity were studied by inquiries and follow-up MELISA(R). Lymphocyte reactivity was also analyzed in 116 healthy subjects with no complaints of metal allergy. A significant number of patients had metal-specific lymphocytes in the blood. Nickel was the most common sensitizer, followed by inorganic mercury, gold, phenylmercury, cadmium and palladium. As compared to lymphocyte responses in healthy subjects, the CFS group had significantly increased responses to several metals, especially to inorganic mercury, phenylmercury and gold. Following dental metal removal, 83 patients (76%) reported long-term health improvement. Twenty-four patients (22%) reported unchanged health and two (2%) reported worsening of symptoms. Following dental metal replacement, the lymphocyte reactivity to metals decreased as well. We propose that an inflammatory process induced by metals may modulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) and trigger multiple non-specific symptoms characterizing CFS and other chronic conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS). PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Has the door been opened yet for other metals to be considered? Such as nickel. Ear piercings can initiate the sensitivity. And nickel is readily available in chocolate. Naah, may as well leave that alone, let you stick with iron. Even though nickel is in the iron group. > Nickel was the most common sensitizer, followed by inorganic > mercury, gold, phenylmercury, cadmium and palladium. On Sep 7, 2:54 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: sni[p << Lefty .. you were told to stay off my posts .. "We propose that inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " Neuroendocrinol Lett. 1999;20(5):289-298. Metal-specific lymphocytes: biomarkers of sensitivity in man. Stejskal VD, Danersund A, Lindvall A, Hudecek R, Nordman V, Yaqob A, Mayer W, Bieger W, Lindh U. Dept Clinical Chemistry, Danderyd Hospital and Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden. vera.mel...@swipnet.se Many patients attribute their health problems to amalgam and other dental metals. In genetically susceptible indviduals, mercury and gold may function as haptens and elicit allergic and autoimmune reactions. The frequency of metal-induced lymphocyte responses was examined in 3,162 patients in three European laboratories using MELISA(R), an optimized lymphocyte proliferation test. The patients suffered from local and systemic symptoms attributed to dental restorations. The effect of dental metal removal was studied in 111 patients with metal hypersensitivity and symptoms resembling Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). After consultation with a dentist the patients decided to replace their metal restorations with non-metallic materials. The changes in health and in vitro lymphocyte reactivity were studied by inquiries and follow-up MELISA(R). Lymphocyte reactivity was also analyzed in 116 healthy subjects with no complaints of metal allergy. A significant number of patients had metal-specific lymphocytes in the blood. Nickel was the most common sensitizer, followed by inorganic mercury, gold, phenylmercury, cadmium and palladium. As compared to lymphocyte responses in healthy subjects, the CFS group had significantly increased responses to several metals, especially to inorganic mercury, phenylmercury and gold. Following dental metal removal, 83 patients (76%) reported long-term health improvement. Twenty-four patients (22%) reported unchanged health and two (2%) reported worsening of symptoms. Following dental metal replacement, the lymphocyte reactivity to metals decreased as well. We propose that an inflammatory process induced by metals may modulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) and trigger multiple non-specific symptoms characterizing CFS and other chronic conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS). PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Why, Rusty. Surely you knew I was going to be here, since you included AMF in your crosspostings. Probably just as well, because I know for fact that another person has been waiting for you to bring up the mercury issue. Certainly not the answer for all, but certainly applicable for some. Here's one telling about mercury and nickel, and two other items. Entitled "Fibromyalgia No More" http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=327516 > On Sep 7, 2:54 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: sni[p << > > Lefty .. you were told to stay off my posts .. "We propose that > inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic > encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " <SNIP> > Following dental metal replacement, the lymphocyte reactivity to > metals decreased as well. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical > sensitivity (MCS). On Sep 7, 6:44 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: snip << Lefty .. you were told to stay off my threads << "We propose that inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " Neuroendocrinol Lett. 1999;20(5):289-298. Metal-specific lymphocytes: biomarkers of sensitivity in man. Stejskal VD, Danersund A, Lindvall A, Hudecek R, Nordman V, Yaqob A, Mayer W, Bieger W, Lindh U. Dept Clinical Chemistry, Danderyd Hospital and Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden. vera.mel...@swipnet.se Many patients attribute their health problems to amalgam and other dental metals. In genetically susceptible indviduals, mercury and gold may function as haptens and elicit allergic and autoimmune reactions. The frequency of metal-induced lymphocyte responses was examined in 3,162 patients in three European laboratories using MELISA(R), an optimized lymphocyte proliferation test. The patients suffered from local and systemic symptoms attributed to dental restorations. The effect of dental metal removal was studied in 111 patients with metal hypersensitivity and symptoms resembling Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). After consultation with a dentist the patients decided to replace their metal restorations with non-metallic materials. The changes in health and in vitro lymphocyte reactivity were studied by inquiries and follow-up MELISA(R). Lymphocyte reactivity was also analyzed in 116 healthy subjects with no complaints of metal allergy. A significant number of patients had metal-specific lymphocytes in the blood. Nickel was the most common sensitizer, followed by inorganic mercury, gold, phenylmercury, cadmium and palladium. As compared to lymphocyte responses in healthy subjects, the CFS group had significantly increased responses to several metals, especially to inorganic mercury, phenylmercury and gold. Following dental metal removal, 83 patients (76%) reported long-term health improvement. Twenty-four patients (22%) reported unchanged health and two (2%) reported worsening of symptoms. Following dental metal replacement, the lymphocyte reactivity to metals decreased as well. We propose that an inflammatory process induced by metals may modulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) and trigger multiple non-specific symptoms characterizing CFS and other chronic conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS). PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Rusty, you score extremely high in the dumbshit factor quotient. On Sep 7, 9:57 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > On Sep 7, 6:44 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: snip << > > Lefty .. you were told to stay off my threads << > > "We propose that inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic > encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " On Sep 8, 7:32 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:snip << Lefty .. you were told to stay off my threads << "We propose that inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " Neuroendocrinol Lett. 1999;20(5):289-298. Metal-specific lymphocytes: biomarkers of sensitivity in man. Stejskal VD, Danersund A, Lindvall A, Hudecek R, Nordman V, Yaqob A, Mayer W, Bieger W, Lindh U. Dept Clinical Chemistry, Danderyd Hospital and Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden. vera.mel...@swipnet.se Many patients attribute their health problems to amalgam and other dental metals. In genetically susceptible indviduals, mercury and gold may function as haptens and elicit allergic and autoimmune reactions. The frequency of metal-induced lymphocyte responses was examined in 3,162 patients in three European laboratories using MELISA(R), an optimized lymphocyte proliferation test. The patients suffered from local and systemic symptoms attributed to dental restorations. The effect of dental metal removal was studied in 111 patients with metal hypersensitivity and symptoms resembling Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). After consultation with a dentist the patients decided to replace their metal restorations with non-metallic materials. The changes in health and in vitro lymphocyte reactivity were studied by inquiries and follow-up MELISA(R). Lymphocyte reactivity was also analyzed in 116 healthy subjects with no complaints of metal allergy. A significant number of patients had metal-specific lymphocytes in the blood. Nickel was the most common sensitizer, followed by inorganic mercury, gold, phenylmercury, cadmium and palladium. As compared to lymphocyte responses in healthy subjects, the CFS group had significantly increased responses to several metals, especially to inorganic mercury, phenylmercury and gold. Following dental metal removal, 83 patients (76%) reported long-term health improvement. Twenty-four patients (22%) reported unchanged health and two (2%) reported worsening of symptoms. Following dental metal replacement, the lymphocyte reactivity to metals decreased as well. We propose that an inflammatory process induced by metals may modulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) and trigger multiple non-specific symptoms characterizing CFS and other chronic conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS). PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk What's this "we" sh.t? Plagiarizer! On Sep 7, 6:44 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: snip << Lefty .. you were told to stay off my threads << "We propose that inflammatory metals may trigger CFS and myalgic encephalitis and multiple chemical sensitivity. " Neuroendocrinol Lett. 1999;20(5):289-298. Metal-specific lymphocytes: biomarkers of sensitivity in man. Stejskal VD, Danersund A, Lindvall A, Hudecek R, Nordman V, Yaqob A, Mayer W, Bieger W, Lindh U. Dept Clinical Chemistry, Danderyd Hospital and Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden. vera.mel...@swipnet.se Many patients attribute their health problems to amalgam and other dental metals. In genetically susceptible indviduals, mercury and gold may function as haptens and elicit allergic and autoimmune reactions. The frequency of metal-induced lymphocyte responses was examined in 3,162 patients in three European laboratories using MELISA(R), an optimized lymphocyte proliferation test. The patients suffered from local and systemic symptoms attributed to dental restorations. The effect of dental metal removal was studied in 111 patients with metal hypersensitivity and symptoms resembling Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). After consultation with a dentist the patients decided to replace their metal restorations with non-metallic materials. The changes in health and in vitro lymphocyte reactivity were studied by inquiries and follow-up MELISA(R). Lymphocyte reactivity was also analyzed in 116 healthy subjects with no complaints of metal allergy. A significant number of patients had metal-specific lymphocytes in the blood. Nickel was the most common sensitizer, followed by inorganic mercury, gold, phenylmercury, cadmium and palladium. As compared to lymphocyte responses in healthy subjects, the CFS group had significantly increased responses to several metals, especially to inorganic mercury, phenylmercury and gold. Following dental metal removal, 83 patients (76%) reported long-term health improvement. Twenty-four patients (22%) reported unchanged health and two (2%) reported worsening of symptoms. Following dental metal replacement, the lymphocyte reactivity to metals decreased as well. We propose that an inflammatory process induced by metals may modulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) and trigger multiple non-specific symptoms characterizing CFS and other chronic conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS). PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Hey, if he's gonna do it, isn't it good that he picked an article that indeed indicated that metals were a problem, but also noted that of the metals, iron wasn't even on the top offenders list? In the U.S., the labs are accustomed at looking for iron, so they see iron. But the dental industry's fondness for including mercury has blunted the investigators enthusiasm for noticing it. And nickel is used in a MASSIVE number of metals as a 'filler'. Unwittingly (:-}), Tom did everyone the favor of including an article that both showed how minimal iron was as a culprit, but also indicated other metallic sensitizers that should be getting more attention. I think he did well on that, even though it certainly wasn't his intent. You should be thanking his parents for contributing him to the gene pool. The village is looking for its idiot. > What's this "we" sh.t? Plagiarizer! > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > conditions like myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical > sensitivity (MCS). On Sep 10, 3:28 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: lefty<< Lefty .. you've been told to stay off my threads .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > Hey, if he's gonna do it, isn't it good that he picked an article > that indeed indicated that metals were a problem, but also [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No surprise, you are too mentally bankrupt to address the issues. Have you considered how much of a fashion trend you could start with a tracheal tourniquet? > On Sep 10, 3:28 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: lefty<< > [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - On Sep 10, 8:47 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty<< Lefty .. you've been told to stay off my threads .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Don't you have anything to offer as a poster, other than these homophobic rants? Are you annoyed at your doctor for not renewing your Viagra prescription? Is your mother threatening to stop your internet and evict you from her basement? You really need to read these articles before you post them. The most recent one kicked your iron notions in the butt. Guess you kinda like that, though, don't you? Your very existence depends on getting some kind of attention, good or bad. So you post on AMF because you know I'm there for you. Hey, I saw some dog poop today and thought of you. It was of no value to me, but it certainly got my attention. On Sep 10, 7:55 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > On Sep 10, 8:47 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty<< > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and > become .. normal. On Sep 10, 7:30 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty<< Lefty .. you've been told to stay off my threads .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Hey, Rusty, Do you happen to know anything about something called the Periodic Table? Know anything about something called the IRON GROUP? You're the one that included AMF in the crosspostings. Hey, clown, did you read that article before posting it? Biopsy showed "NO IRON LOAD DEPOSITS". It also said phlebotomy helped. Hmmm. Maybe it wasn't iron. What else could have been reduced with phlebotomy??? What metals did they look for, in their research with a single patient over 20 years ago? Hey, come to think about it, someone recently posted that it was NICKEL, and mercury, and methylmercury that were the important metal sensitins. Any idea who would have posted such an article? Maybe it was someone pretending to be you, to make you look stupid. But anyway, the phlebotomy, with absence of iron load deposits. Could it really be the nickel, like YOUR ARTICLE proposed? Could be. http://www.springerlink.com/content/2626362t57n508w4/ But, hey Rusty. Keep those articles coming in that say that iron was not the critical factor. Helps us realize why you are unemployable as a 'medical research analyst' with a high Bozo Factor. C'mon, Rusty. I've given you several openings if you're smart enough to see them. On Sep 11, 7:37 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > On Sep 10, 7:30 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty<< > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Sep 11, 6:50 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty<< You think I read your crud there .. lefty .. ? Lefty .. you've been told to stay off my threads .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk >Hey, Rusty, Do you happen to know anything about something >called the Periodic Table? Know anything about something >called the IRON GROUP? >You're the one that included AMF in the crosspostings. He also included ASL in his original off-topic crosspost. Rusty wants attention, so why not bring him to the attention of his ISP? He posts through Google, but his host is Telus.com Their abuse address is abuse@telus.com . You'll need to send them the complete text of his original post, with its complete headers, a copy of your newsgroup's charter and a complaint about his violations (cross-posting, flooding, off-topic material and abusive language). --Bill Thompson Certainly have considered that, but figure it's already happened enough to see that it's a pointless endeavor. Some of the stuff is interesting, even though it isn't the way he intends. Some of the choices make it look like he either doesn't even read them, or decides to post them regardless of them being exactly counter to his crusade. What a twit. On Sep 11, 11:23 pm, "William R. Thompson" <crea...@yadtel.net> wrote: > >Hey, Rusty, Do you happen to know anything about something > >called the Periodic Table? Know anything about something [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > --Bill Thompson (about reporting Rusty's public abuses to his ISP) >Certainly have considered that, but figure it's already happened >enough to see that it's a pointless endeavor. I think most of the abuse reporting has gone to Google, who don't seem to care. The identity of his actual server is buried in his headers. You have to find them, then locate the NNTP hosting line, and then run the numbers through an reverse lookup. I use http://www.zoneedit.com/lookup.html for that. It's not exactly an obvious procedure. I've had responses from abuse@telus.com, and I have the hope that someday it might do some good. --Bill Thompson On Sep 12, 5:11 am, "William R. Thompson" <crea...@yadtel.net> wrote:>> I told you to stay off my threads you whining excuse for a man .. YOU have been specifically .. TOLD .. pussy .. STAY OFF .. **my** ... threads .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Oh my goodness, how terribly clever. What a gift you have!! That is the most astonishingly articulate thing you have printed yet. Do you suppose I could use that? I know of a homophobic twit that such a response would be exactly appropriate for. Be sure to let me know if I can use your retort towards that person. On second thought, never mind. I just did. On Sep 12, 9:20 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > On Sep 12, 5:11 am, "William R. Thompson" <crea...@yadtel.net> > wrote:>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Sep 13, 2:53 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty << You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. lefty .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. lefty .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Sep 12, 3:17 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty<< Lefty .. you've been told to stay off my threads .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk I told you to stay off my threads you whining excuse for a man .. YOU have been specifically .. TOLD .. pussy .. STAY OFF .. **my** ... threads .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > I told you to stay off my threads you whining excuse for a man .. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom You're a fundie nutcase, aren't ya ? In Rusty's case ASL is what he ask in M4M chats Age Stats Location CB >>Hey, Rusty, Do you happen to know anything about something >>called the Periodic Table? Know anything about something [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Bill Thompson On Sep 13, 2:53 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:English nancy << The English nancy .. You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. nancy .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. nancy .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. nancy .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Don't you mean in retard or a.shole? Seems to be the only thing you can understand. Sad we have to lower ourselves so you understand our post. CB On Sep 13, 2:53 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:English nancy << The English nancy .. You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. nancy .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. nancy .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. nancy .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Sep 14, 1:42 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:English nancy << The English nancy .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk English nancy << The English nancy .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > What's this "we" sh.t? Plagiarizer! > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Rusty how many times do I have to tell you your not my type? There's 2,200 here at the convention to chose from and all are better than you. Besides the BFF and I got coverage on NBC while here, something you cant offer. CB --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sep 10, 1:53 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote: English nancy << The English nancy .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society On Sep 13, 2:57 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:English nancy << The English nancy .. You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. nancy .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. nancy .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. nancy .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Rusty you forgot to clean the toilet and do the wash. Get it done or we kick you to the curb. CB On Sep 13, 2:57 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:English nancy << The English nancy .. You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. nancy .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. nancy .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. nancy .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. His mom is threatening to stop paying for his internet connection. Something about going out and finding a job. I understand that the mail delivery people get paid pretty well. May help him pay for his own stuff, instead of depending on his mom, or his on-again-off-again boyfriends. > Rusty you forgot to clean the toilet and do the wash. Get it done or we kick > you to the curb. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and > become .. normal. On Sep 14, 7:36 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty << You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. lefty .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. lefty .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Oh, you didn't notice? It's my thread. As of September 7th. But I don't object to your being in my thread. You provide comic relief. Too bad for you about the relief you're not getting. Might want to stop having all that chocolate, it's loaded with nickel. On Sep 14, 11:14 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: > On Sep 14, 7:36 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty << > > You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. lefty .. ? > > Stay off my threads .. On Sep 14, 6:48 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:lefty << You got something wrong with your scrambled brain there .. lefty .. ? Stay off my threads .. You have a hard time understanding that .. lefty .. ? Do ya .. ? You don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Well they like him untill the meet him in RL. His mom is threatening to stop paying for his internet connection. Something about going out and finding a job. I understand that the mail delivery people get paid pretty well. May help him pay for his own stuff, instead of depending on his mom, or his on-again-off-again boyfriends. On Sep 14, 4:44 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote: > Rusty you forgot to clean the toilet and do the wash. Get it done or we > kick [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and > become .. normal. testosterone depleted retarded fatboy << The English nancy .. You've got something wrong with your scrambled brain .. nancy .. " Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > Well they like him untill the meet him in RL. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - CB or Michael, Will one of you please explain to me, what the heck Major Tom refers to: The English Nancy? Would truly appreciate it...... Take care and be well out there! Debra >> Well they like him untill the meet him in RL. >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Take care and be well out there! Debra I may be wrong, but I believe it's an insulting term used to denigrate a member of the gay persuasion. Either way, it isn't nice. > >> Well they like him untill the meet him in RL. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Rod, Thanks for your explanation....... Tis a sad day when this verbiage is used over and over again....... Especially when there are so many wonderful words in the dictionary to use, in order to get one's point of view across! Tis a sadder day when someone verbally attacks another's lifestyle....... Take care and be well out there! Debra On Oct 2, 9:43 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote: Tis a sadder day when someone verbally attacks another's lifestyle.......<< YOUR .. opinion .. would be worth .. ? You've been asked .. nicely .. to stay off MY threads .. You don't seem to 'feel' like it .. I don't .. feel .. like having people .. try .. to undermine my threads .. Lefties and loonies .. Specifically .. lefties and / or loonies .. You got a problem with the fact YOU and lefties have something in .. common .. ? Lack of self control . Why IS your brain .. inherently .. scrambled . Which one or two are ya. A lefty .. ? A loonie .. ? Both .. ? MY thread .. stay OFF .. it .. Understand .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > You've been asked .. nicely .. to stay off MY threads .. What utter nonsense! Why post to a discussion group if you don't want something discussed?  SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c As he walked around, he stumbled onto something he cannot identify in a meaningful fashion, but the thrill of discovery overwhelmed him. So he resents the prospect of anyone telling him that he has stumbled upon a dried-up elephant turd. So he flings pieces of this newly discovered item at anyone that comes along. Or displaces his own personal inadequacies and sexual ambivalence onto others that happen to come along. > > You've been asked .. nicely .. to stay off MY threads .. > > What utter nonsense! Why post to a discussion group if you don't > want something discussed? Refers to an effeminate or homosexual male. http://www.dictionarist.com/nancy > > CB or Michael, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > denigrate a member of the gay persuasion. Either way, it isn't > nice. IE: Rusty's own identity problem. ;) CB Refers to an effeminate or homosexual male. http://www.dictionarist.com/nancy On Oct 1, 12:45 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote: > > CB or Michael, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > denigrate a member of the gay persuasion. Either way, it isn't > nice. On Sep 14, 1:44 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:English nancy << The English nancy .. Sooo .. you don't want to be .. normal .. ? You **like** .. bringing up the .. rear .. eh .. lefty .. Maybe use iron reduction / depletion to raise your testosterone and become .. normal. "Phlebotomy alone for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism" Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 65, 585-587, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLES Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in hemochromatosis: recovery of reproductive function after iron depletion LJ Siemons and CH Mahler We studied the effect of iron depletion on reproductive function in a 37-yr-old man with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to idiopathic hemochromatosis. Before therapy, he was impotent and had no libido, and seminal fluid analysis revealed no spermatozoa. Testicular biopsy showed marked impairment of spermatogenesis, but no iron load deposits. Sixteen months after institution of aggressive phlebotomy therapy, serum LH, FSH, and testosterone were normal, and potency and libido had returned. Twenty months after diagnosis the patient fathered another child. Seminal fluid analysis at that time revealed an average of 65 million spermatozoa/mL. Thus, recovery of reproductive function, documented by hormone measurements, testicular biopsy, and semen analysis, was complete. We conclude that phlebotomy alone may be adequate treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with hemochromatosis. PMID: 11460087 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/634q5a Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/4rq595 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk |
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