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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Lupus / September 2008Inderal and SLE?
Hi all. Long time no do nothin', I know. :P Been just beastly distracted. I still haven't restored my copy of the ASL FAQ to a website (sorry, Andy. I know I've been bad.) I start my first Grad class on Monday. I started having pretty severe anxiety attacks (for lack of any other explanation for racing pulse and palpitations) a little over a month ago and they have slowly increased in frequency. Multiple episodes in the past 4 days of heart rates in the 110 to 120 range. Saw the doc today and her choice was low dose Inderal. I've also had an increase in headaches in the past couple of months. I admit that since I received the syllabus on Monday I have thought of nothing but this class. If I'm not distracted with t.v. or the dog or something, I'm reading the material or just thinking about it. I'm excited and happy but also nervous and unsure. Now, I'd completely forgotten about the association between beta blockers and SLE. Presumably, so has she. It is a very low dose. 20 mgs. 40 mgs if I feel I need more. Anyone here take Inderal or a similar drug? I will do my research but thought I'd ask y'all about your experiences with beta blockers first. Thanks in advance. p.s. - have people left ASL in droves because of the excessive posting from IJ? I do believe most have left ASL because the idiots out there messed with us big time. I block them so they don't bother me. tis sad too cause not many around, they read but do not respond. I think afraid the old man iron will rust em LOL me again In message <cc12eaf7-c7bc-4e4c-ad13-f3f2bb10139c@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com>, KCat <kcattx@gmail.com> wrote >p.s. - have people left ASL in droves because of the excessive posting >from IJ? Looks like it. I'm not sure if its cross-posting or cross posting, but I wish he'd spare us his wisdom. Heck, if he told me the time I'd seek an independent opinion.  SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> Hey you are right LONG time no see. Good to see you again. Now the beta blockers. I was on inderal for headaches and believe me it works. I got terrible migraines and was on big doses like 80mg and some long acting. Plus irregular pulse for years. They say that beta blockers like inderal and atenolol, or tenormin they call it, make raynaud's worse. YOu know what Ray is right. Well the blockers dialate blood vessels and sometimes with Ray around the hand and feet and legs get worse with those drugs. I am on atenolol now for irregular pulse and was on big doses of it. I had it cut down 2 weeks ago because I was cold all the time and feet felt like ice as well as turned blue. Heart doc mentioned the beta blockers saying it made it worse so he cut one dose down and it made a world of difference. Now the low dose you are talking about should not be a problem. Do you have Ray going on with Lupus? I know my livedo, which is a form of Ray also went wild and I looked like a spider web on my legs LOL but that is pretty well staying that way now all the time so my take? I say try it, if you show a big amount of cold extremeties and bluish hands and feet and coldness, call the doc and get it cut down more. If not then go for it. Like I said it dialates blood vessels and for headaches usually constricted blood vessels is what causes them. Migraines especially are caused by vaso constriction. Or even a form of vasculitis. Good luck with that and if you want more info I think I can dig a little more up. I am on 25mg in am and 25 mg pm of atenolol. OH and keep tabs on your pulse and see if that inderal drops it. It should. welcome LOL janers > YOu know what Ray is right. Well the blockers dialate blood vessels and sometimes with Ray around > the hand and feet and legs get worse with those drugs. I am on atenolol now for irregular pulse and > was on big doses of it. I had it cut down 2 weeks ago because I was cold all the time and feet felt > like ice as well as turned blue. Hubby commented that my feet were very cold last night. Then they were very warm. :P Yes, I have mild Raynaud's - have had minimal problems with it in the past two years but it still shows up now and then. > Do you have Ray going on with Lupus? I know my livedo, which is a form of Ray also went wild and I > looked like a spider web on my legs LOL but that is pretty well staying that way now all the time Good. So far my reaction to this low dose is just to feel relaxed. Not groggy or anything. Hubby said I sounded a little loopy, like I'd had some Bailey's. :) I didn't *feel* that way, but it's possible I was talking slower and drawling more. > Like I said it dialates blood vessels and for headaches usually constricted blood vessels is what > causes them. Migraines especially are caused by vaso constriction. Or even a form of vasculitis. I hope this small dose helps the headaches though the literature says that larger doses are given for them. Still, even if it just helps reduce them, that would be great. But the main thing right now is my pulse is about 65, not 115! > I am on 25mg in am and 25 mg pm of atenolol. OH and keep tabs on your pulse and see if that inderal > drops it. It should. Yup. :) Thanks, hon. KCat > Hi all. > Long time no do nothin', I know. :P > Been just beastly distracted. I still haven't restored my copy of the > ASL FAQ to a website (sorry, Andy. I know I've been bad.) (snip) All this reminds me--is there a list of drugs you shouldn't take with lupus? I've had a lot of adverse reactions to medications; maybe such a list would help me get some kind of diagnosis. A few weeks ago I had to go to the emergency room because of a kidney stone. I'm sure there are more painful conditions, but this was painful enough for me. The first painkiller they gave me did nothing. The second one worked, but it also stopped my breathing. They tell me I turned blue before they could resuscitate me. I spent the night plugged into a monitor and defibrillator, and otherwise having an unpleasant time. And I was too buzzed on the painkiller to remember to ask what they'd given me. (It wasn't all bad. I'd had a lot of sunlight that morning so I was messed up before the kidney stone. One nurse took my temperature and thought her thermometer was broken; I was down to 95.4. Another nurse tried to draw blood from the vein on the back of my hand. My hands were going numb at that point and no blood came out. So at least now I have some medical professionals who can tell a doctor they saw something odd.) --Bill Thompson On Aug 22, 4:01 am, "wrtho...@ix.netcom.com" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all. > > Long time no do nothin', I know. :P [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with lupus? I've had a lot of adverse reactions to medications; > maybe such a list would help me get some kind of diagnosis. There is a list of drugs that can cause Drug-Induced Lupus. As to whether these drugs can trigger flares, I couldn't find much info. Best thing I know to do is check with the LFA website or whichever organization applies to your area. anti-TNF alpha drugs seem to be a no-no for SLE patients though initially they had hopes of using them to treat the disease. Apparently kidney disease is the big risk here. That's the only one I know of in recent times but I haven't kept up with the research. > A few weeks ago I had to go to the emergency room because > of a kidney stone. I'm sure there are more painful conditions, > but this was painful enough for me. oh. I don't know. Hubby has had two and he is a man of steel but those stones wiped him out. > (It wasn't all bad. I'd had a lot of sunlight that morning so I > was messed up before the kidney stone. bad! bad! bad! I know how hard it is to stay away from the sun that our body craves but that can be so harmful. Still, bad, bad, bad! > One nurse took my > temperature and thought her thermometer was broken; I was > down to 95.4. A lot of us run low normally though that's extremely low. My "healthy" temp is about 97.5. Hit 98 and I start feeling like crud. >Another nurse tried to draw blood from the > vein on the back of my hand. My hands were going numb at > that point and no blood came out. So at least now I have > some medical professionals who can tell a doctor they saw > something odd.) Sounds like the vessels had spasmed shut. Raynaud's or vasculitis perhaps. And of course, the pain killers reduce blood flow and other nervous system activity. it is a mixed blessing when you are struggling to figure out what is wrong and having to rely on chance symptoms showing up at the "right time". Basically it took a number of scary blood tests and the visible change in my health after starting plaquenil before my docs treated me as anything but a whining, stressed, hausfrau. :P Now I stay away from the except for the semi-annual visits and yesterday's "I just can't take this anymore" visit to the GP. "Fortunately" my pulse as 115 while in her office so there was no "maybe you're overstating it" issues with them. Feeling so much better today. But I must log off and get back to my studying. I have set a goal to get notes completed for weeks one and two before Monday. Yes, I'm mildly AR. (no comments from the peanut gallery - ANDY!) best all, KCat p.s. - I have to thank Andy here for providing major support in my efforts to go back to school. He is a great example of the fine people in the SLE community. Check out my Lupus Invisible in Plain Sight @ http://members.shaw.ca/tiderington click on: drug induced (the links on the left frame are alphabetical) and you will find all that I could find on the meds involved and which ones they are to date. If anyone knows anything more on the meds that can induce lupus, I am open to critiquing and changes to my page... TIA and also KC, good luck with 'everything'; just FYI, Propanolol worked for a good friend of mine, who doesn't have lupus, in very low dosage daily.... a beta block and took care of anxiety and headaches and dropped the pulse rate straight off! worked wonders really! hugs, Shelagh On Aug 22, 4:01 am, "wrtho...@ix.netcom.com" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > KCat wrote: > > Hi all. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > with lupus? I've had a lot of adverse reactions to medications; > maybe such a list would help me get some kind of diagnosis. There is a list of drugs that can cause Drug-Induced Lupus. As to whether these drugs can trigger flares, I couldn't find much info. Best thing I know to do is check with the LFA website or whichever organization applies to your area. anti-TNF alpha drugs seem to be a no-no for SLE patients though initially they had hopes of using them to treat the disease. Apparently kidney disease is the big risk here. That's the only one I know of in recent times but I haven't kept up with the research. > A few weeks ago I had to go to the emergency room because > of a kidney stone. I'm sure there are more painful conditions, > but this was painful enough for me. oh. I don't know. Hubby has had two and he is a man of steel but those stones wiped him out. > (It wasn't all bad. I'd had a lot of sunlight that morning so I > was messed up before the kidney stone. bad! bad! bad! I know how hard it is to stay away from the sun that our body craves but that can be so harmful. Still, bad, bad, bad! > One nurse took my > temperature and thought her thermometer was broken; I was > down to 95.4. A lot of us run low normally though that's extremely low. My "healthy" temp is about 97.5. Hit 98 and I start feeling like crud. >Another nurse tried to draw blood from the > vein on the back of my hand. My hands were going numb at > that point and no blood came out. So at least now I have > some medical professionals who can tell a doctor they saw > something odd.) Sounds like the vessels had spasmed shut. Raynaud's or vasculitis perhaps. And of course, the pain killers reduce blood flow and other nervous system activity. it is a mixed blessing when you are struggling to figure out what is wrong and having to rely on chance symptoms showing up at the "right time". Basically it took a number of scary blood tests and the visible change in my health after starting plaquenil before my docs treated me as anything but a whining, stressed, hausfrau. :P Now I stay away from the except for the semi-annual visits and yesterday's "I just can't take this anymore" visit to the GP. "Fortunately" my pulse as 115 while in her office so there was no "maybe you're overstating it" issues with them. Feeling so much better today. But I must log off and get back to my studying. I have set a goal to get notes completed for weeks one and two before Monday. Yes, I'm mildly AR. (no comments from the peanut gallery - ANDY!) best all, KCat p.s. - I have to thank Andy here for providing major support in my efforts to go back to school. He is a great example of the fine people in the SLE community. > Check out my Lupus Invisible in Plain Sight @http://members.shaw.ca/tiderington > click on: drug induced (the links on the left frame are alphabetical) > and you will find all that I could find on the meds involved and which ones > they are to date. Thank you! I thought I had that link in my favorites list, but it must have got lost when I switched to a new ISP. (I'm now creamer at yadtel-dot-net, not wrthomps@ix.netcom.com. I don't think Google Mail believes that yet.) I can't blame medications for my problems, since I normally only take something after I get sick. After that visit to the hospital I'd like to know if there's any way to tell what I should avoid. --Bill Thompson > <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > Long time no do nothin', I know. :P > > > Been just beastly distracted. I still haven't restored my copy of the > > > ASL FAQ to a website (sorry, Andy. I know I've been bad.) > > All this reminds me--is there a list of drugs you shouldn't take > > with lupus? I've had a lot of adverse reactions to medications; > > maybe such a list would help me get some kind of diagnosis. > There is a list of drugs that can cause Drug-Induced Lupus. As to > whether these drugs can trigger flares, I couldn't find much info. > Best thing I know to do is check with the LFA website or whichever > organization applies to your area. I looked at Shelagh's site. Lots of information, but it couldn't help much here. I react to a lot of things not on that list, including alcohol and large doses of vitamins. > > A few weeks ago I had to go to the emergency room because > > of a kidney stone. I'm sure there are more painful conditions, > > but this was painful enough for me. > oh. I don't know. Hubby has had two and he is a man of steel but > those stones wiped him out. This was my first real stone, although in hindsight I can see that I've passed a lot of tiny ones over the decades. Those caused aches and occasional stings. This felt like someone was hammering a red-hot spike into my back. > > (It wasn't all bad. I'd had a lot of sunlight that morning so I > > was messed up before the kidney stone. > bad! bad! bad! I know how hard it is to stay away from the sun that > our body craves but that can be so harmful. Still, bad, bad, bad! I'm very naughty sometimes. My excuse is that I had to get a new driver's license (I just moved to North Carolina) and the office is only open during the day. Most people get obsessive-compulsive when it comes to working by day and sleeping by night. I just can't win with the light situation. A few weeks ago I had to make a trip to the grocery store. It was eleven at night and I thought, fine, they won't be busy, I'll dash in, get what I want and dash out, and spend as little time as possible under their fluorescent lights. Guess what? I ran into the only lost German tourist in all of North Carolina. Have you ever tried to convince a lost German that you're new in the area, too, and you couldn't give her directions even if you could figure out the name of the town she's trying to pronounce? Especially when all you want to do is get away from those quartz-halogen lights in the parking lot? > >Another nurse tried to draw blood from the > > vein on the back of my hand. My hands were going numb at > > that point and no blood came out. So at least now I have > > some medical professionals who can tell a doctor they saw > > something odd.) > Sounds like the vessels had spasmed shut. Raynaud's or vasculitis > perhaps. And of course, the pain killers reduce blood flow and other > nervous system activity. One doctor said something about the painkiller interfering with the vagus nerve, maybe. I remember looking at the monitor after they hooked me up and seeing that my pulse was 34. I usually score higher than that, like 68 or 72. > p.s. - I have to thank Andy here for providing major support in my > efforts to go back to school. He is a great example of the fine > people in the SLE community. Andy's great to have around. What subjects are you studying? --Bill Thompson On Aug 23, 2:26 am, "wrtho...@ix.netcom.com" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > I looked at Shelagh's site. Lots of information, but it couldn't > help much here. I react to a lot of things not on that list, > including alcohol and large doses of vitamins. Well, alcohol opens up your blood vessels and for lupies it can be rather dramatic. I never had any trouble with it until other symptoms started to kick in. Now, two fingers of Bailey's (YYYUUUMMM) and my nose and cheeks are bright red and I feel like I'm having a hot flash. I'm too young for hot flashes. :P > This was my first real stone, although in hindsight I can see that > I've passed a lot of tiny ones over the decades. Those caused aches > and occasional stings. This felt like someone was hammering a > red-hot spike into my back. I can only imagine. And that's all I want to do and I don't really want to do that! Bleah. > you're new in the area, too, and you couldn't give her directions > even if you could figure out the name of the town she's trying to > pronounce? Especially when all you want to do is get away > from those quartz-halogen lights in the parking lot? I've tried to convince some of my German-Texan relatives that I really can't stand outside all day and chat. But no lost Germans in parking lots yet. I do have nightmares about sunlight. I can tolerate it slightly better these days for whatever reason but I literally dream that I am outside and trying to get in and people are stopping me every few paces wanting to talk at length with me. And those lights in the stores - miserable. face gets red, cold sweats, and b.p. drops. > > Sounds like the vessels had spasmed shut. Raynaud's or vasculitis > > perhaps. And of course, the pain killers reduce blood flow and other > > nervous system activity. > > One doctor said something about the painkiller interfering with > the vagus nerve, maybe. Could be. They do mess with stuff like that. > Andy's great to have around. What subjects are you studying? I'm going for my Master of Fine Arts in Writing. Today was the strangest mix of excitement, terror, and joy. Talking with other writers again. Having a plan and a purpose and getting to use my pens for something other than doodling or long boring letters to my snail friends. Yup, I definitely am happier when I have a life. :P K On Aug 23, 2:26 am, "wrtho...@ix.netcom.com" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > KCat wrote: I'm going for my Master of Fine Arts in Writing. Today was the strangest mix of excitement, terror, and joy. Talking with other writers again. Having a plan and a purpose and getting to use my pens for something other than doodling or long boring letters to my snail friends. Yup, I definitely am happier when I have a life. :P K Good for you Kat! You go girl!!!! How is your daughter doing? Is she still in school? Hugs, Sherry > "wrtho...@ix.netcom.com" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I looked at Shelagh's site. Lots of information, but it couldn't > > help much here. I react to a lot of things not on that list, > > including alcohol and large doses of vitamins. > Well, alcohol opens up your blood vessels and for lupies it can be > rather dramatic. I never had any trouble with it until other symptoms > started to kick in. Now, two fingers of Bailey's (YYYUUUMMM) and my > nose and cheeks are bright red and I feel like I'm having a hot flash. > I'm too young for hot flashes. :P Opens up the blood vessels . . . that would explain the nosebleed I had, the last time I had a drink. > > you're new in the area, too, and you couldn't give her directions > > even if you could figure out the name of the town she's trying to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can't stand outside all day and chat. But no lost Germans in parking > lots yet. I've tried to convince some of my relatives that I can't spend much time under fluorescent lights. They don't argue, and I don't think they listening, either. They just act like I'm trying to annoy them. > I do have nightmares about sunlight. I can tolerate it slightly > better these days for whatever reason but I literally dream that I am > outside and trying to get in and people are stopping me every few > paces wanting to talk at length with me. And those lights in the > stores - miserable. face gets red, cold sweats, and b.p. drops. The only sun I can tolerate is the picture on my dartboard. My nightmares usually have the coverings fall off a window. > > Andy's great to have around. What subjects are you studying? > I'm going for my Master of Fine Arts in Writing. Do you plan to write in any specific genre? --Bill Thompson In message <b406e488-35aa-4017-84e9-ca25be8b3894@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, >KCat wrote: [ >> I'm going for my Master of Fine Arts in Writing. > >Do you plan to write in any specific genre? Texan. SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> > In message > <b406e488-35aa-4017-84e9-ca25be8b3...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. > <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> (grin) Andy's right in a way. I tend to write "regional" stuff. Crummy as this place can be (hello hurricanes!), I love it and like the varied settings across the state. On Aug 27, 10:15 am, "crea...@yadtel.net" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > Opens up the blood vessels . . . that would explain the nosebleed > I had, the last time I had a drink. That might do it. The vessels may be delicate from immune activity, then dilating them with alcohol could cause a problem. I don't drink often but when I do I get that lovely red nose and butterfly. The nose thing always makes me worry I'll end up looking like WC Fields even though I have a drink about once a month. :P > I've tried to convince some of my relatives that I can't spend much > time under fluorescent lights. They don't argue, and I don't think > they listening, either. They just act like I'm trying to annoy them. I didn't even understand what was happening for a long time. We would go to the grocery store and after about 20 mins I was unable to focus mentally. I'd find myself in an aisle, completely unsure of where I was going and what I was looking for. Hubby took over grocery shopping after a few of these events. It was frightening for him because the change was so quick and so inexplicable. When it started happening on outings to the mall, the bookstore, anywhere the lighting was unprotected (and in time, even covered fluorescent lighting can cause problems if there's enough leakage) then we realized what was making me so spacey. > The only sun I can tolerate is the picture on my dartboard. My > nightmares usually have the coverings fall off a window. I giggled. Is that okay? I can just imagine a dart board with the sun on it. I do wish I could get out in it. I can handle more now than I could when I first got sick and a 20 min. walk with dog in winter is okay as long as I have my hat/drape/overshirt/sunblock. :P > > > Andy's great to have around. What subjects are you studying? > > I'm going for my Master of Fine Arts in Writing. > > Do you plan to write in any specific genre? I write literary fiction - mostly short stories though there are novels in my plans. But I'm not going to limit myself to other possibilities. I'll be taking the screenwriting and/or playwriting class at some point. I'm also interested in creative non-fiction - an area that has some controversy to it. But all of it appeals to me. I've written 4 novels - all SF which I no longer have a lot of interest in. All woefully immature but in my defense, I was much younger at the time. :) k In message <248ffd2d-bb66-43f1-93e3-f9d9003ed0af@25g2000prz.googlegroups.com>, KCat <kcattx@gmail.com> wrote >On Aug 27, 10:15 am, "crea...@yadtel.net" <wrthomp...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >nose thing always makes me worry I'll end up looking like WC Fields >even though I have a drink about once a month. :P Be more like Gracie... [] >All woefully immature but in my defense, I was much >younger at the time. :) We all were :) SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> "crea...@yadtel.net" wrote: >>> The only sun I can tolerate is the picture on my dartboard. My > nightmares usually have the coverings fall off a window. >I giggled. Is that okay? I can just imagine a dart board with the sun >on it. Go ahead and giggle! It means you get it (the joke, not the darts). --Bill Thompson In message <b4efd106-0cb2-4b13-b2cd-0d591b795a7b@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, KCat <kcattx@gmail.com> wrote [ >I'm too young for hot flashes. :P Read your extended symptoms list :( SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> > In message > <b4efd106-0cb2-4b13-b2cd-0d591b795...@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, KCat > <kca...@gmail.com> wrote > [>I'm too young for hot flashes. :P > > Read your extended symptoms list :( (groan) How soon we forget, eh? well, I'd just as soon get it over with at this point anyway. OTOH, my former neighbour has been in that mode for several years now. Docs took her off HRT with the assurance that "it's probably over by now" and she was banging on their door not too many weeks later demanding her ****ing hormones. In message <4eb1401b-cf3e-41e7-9963-8012b04a2ab9@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, "wrthomps@ix.netcom.com" <wrthomps06@gmail.com> wrote [] >Guess what? I ran into the only lost German tourist in all of >North Carolina. Have you ever tried to convince a lost German that >you're new in the area, too, and you couldn't give her directions >even if you could figure out the name of the town she's trying to >pronounce? Odd, that. For some reason, when I'm in Austria I'm often asked for directions - and, worryingly, I usually know the answers and can tell them. In German. As KCat will confirm, I don't exactly *look* Austrian. Someone once had the theory that the reason visitors are asked by other visitors is that the natives know where they're going so walk too quickly to be asked. Or, the other idiot with the map has to be a visitor too... SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> > <wrthomps06@gmail.com> wrote: >>Guess what? I ran into the only lost German tourist in all of >>North Carolina. Have you ever tried to convince a lost German that >>you're new in the area, too, and you couldn't give her directions >>even if you could figure out the name of the town she's trying to >>pronounce? > Odd, that. For some reason, when I'm in Austria I'm often asked for > directions - and, worryingly, I usually know the answers and can tell > them. In German. As KCat will confirm, I don't exactly *look* Austrian. > Someone once had the theory that the reason visitors are asked by other > visitors is that the natives know where they're going so walk too quickly > to be asked. Or, the other idiot with the map has to be a visitor too... My theory is that this incident was provoked by the model I'm building. Usually when I build a model it's a spacecraft or satellite, but for some reason I decided to build an FT-17 (a small French tank from the Great War). I'd just started working on the tank kit that evening . . . and the next thing I know, I'm accosted by someone who looks and sounds like Helga from "'Allo! 'Allo!" Since I don't look like Rene Artois, I put the blame on my little tank. (I realize this won't make sense to anyone who hasn't watched "'Allo! 'Allo!" but then again the whole encounter didn't make much sense, either.) --Bill Thompson > (I realize this won't make sense to anyone who hasn't watched > "'Allo! 'Allo!" but then again the whole encounter didn't make > much sense, either.) > > --Bill Thompson it's been years but I remember it fondly. > Odd, that. For some reason, when I'm in Austria I'm often asked for > directions - and, worryingly, I usually know the answers and can tell > them. In German. As KCat will confirm, I don't exactly *look* Austrian. LOL! This is true. Maybe you just brim with self-confidence and authority and that's why you are asked. > Someone once had the theory that the reason visitors are asked by other > visitors is that the natives know where they're going so walk too > quickly to be asked. Or, the other idiot with the map has to be a > visitor too... But, why is it the woman that has to ask? I even had to insist on buying the new map for NM last time. The one we had was a good 8 or 9 years old. The area has changed a lot. BTB, Andy, we now have a piece of I-45 split off and dedicated to the JSC area. The "NASA bypass" - which I don't quite understand because it doesn't bypass NASA, it takes you directly to NASA. And if you call it the NASA-1 bypass, (which may be the official name) that doesn't make sense either because it is actually "the bypass that is now called NASA 1" and what used to be NASA-1 is NASA Parkway. It's very glitzy though. Webster wanted to get all the traffic out of their precious little town. Hubby is a creature of habit, he'll continue to take the back roads through League City. :) > -- > Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. > <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> In message <2789c1b9-5df9-4504-a3f6-77e24402a5d5@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, KCat <kcattx@gmail.com> wrote [ > I even had to insist on >buying the new map for NM last time. The one we had was a good 8 or 9 >years old. My wife suggested I get a satellite-navigation gizmo to mark our anniversary. I did a quick cost-benefit analysis and replied that a course for her in practical map holding would be better value. I'm happy to rely on my teenage training, eg "in this country" - and in yours - "the sun rises in the east, moves to your right as you face it, and sets in the west; shadows do the reverse". This isn't always sufficient: at one of our major intersections here, the slip road is signposted "To the North / To the South" but heads off west. You have to have faith that, given that other cars are heading down it and there isn't a solid jam, it has to go somewhere as opposed to nowhere... SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> > In message > <2789c1b9-5df9-4504-a3f6-77e24402a...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > anniversary. I did a quick cost-benefit analysis and replied that a > course for her in practical map holding would be better value. That works for some of us. My daughter has no directional sense. She drives like butterflies fly (yet they're better at getting where they need to go.) So she does have a GPS system and it has been a good thing for the most part. When she was a teen we tried very hard to teach her to a) read maps and b) come up with a route before taking a trip. She just couldn't do it. Perhaps the mild dyslexia. The second time they came to visit in the new house she convinced her hubby that we were "that way" when in fact we were "the other way" on 518. Get a phone call from Son-IL. "Uh, Mom? We're at... Where should we be?" They did not have the GPS or a map. He was depending on *her* to find the house. Lesson learned for him, eh? If it didn't freak her out and make her so nervous, it would be funny. Sometimes she's talking to me (yes, while driving) and I hear "Uh, I have to let you go, I'm lost again." That's *with* the GPS. She has gotten lost in her own neighbourhood. Bless her heart. In message <5665aba0-f6aa-42f6-9c5a-241f08b9e8b8@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, KCat <kcattx@gmail.com> wrote [] >p.s. - I have to thank Andy {deep blush} SignatureAndy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]. <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk> BTB, I'm doing fine right now. Still the occasional little pittapat that surprises me. Don't take the med every day (which may explain the previous comment) but not having any of those 1-2 hour episodes. School is, thus far (been all of a week), going well. |
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