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ironjustice - 25 Jun 2008 03:15 GMT
Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
Crowther MA, George JN
Cleve Clin J Med 2008 May; 75(5):369-75.

Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP) is a spectrum of syndromes
characterized by thrombocytopenia and microangiopathic hemolytic
anemia, manifested by an elevated blood lactate dehydrogenase (LDH)
concentration and red blood cell fragments.
It classically occurs in patients with a hereditary or acquired lack
of ADAMTS13, a metalloproteinase that cleaves large multimers of von
Willebrand factor.
Other TTP-like syndromes, including TTP associated with pregnancy,
organ transplantation, and certain medications, likely have different
underlying causes and may require different treatment.
Unless TTP is recognized promptly and treated aggressively, most
patients die of it.
Cleveland Clinic journal of medicine [Cleve Clin J Med]
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Citizen Jimserac - 25 Jun 2008 12:57 GMT
> Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
> Crowther MA, George JN
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The following case is reported in "The Patient, Not the Cure"
subtitled
"The Challenge of Homeopathy" by Dr. Margery Blackie, former physician
to Queen Elizabeth:
(page 174)
comments on a child with purpura:
"The patient had seen a specialist from one of the teaching hospitals
and
was obviously dying.  He had a poor blood condition together
with a very low platelet count and when seen he was bleeding
from everywhere - the nose, mouth, bladder, bowell and was bruised
from head to foot.  He was given Crotalus horridus (rattle
snake) and he did very well indeed.  His platelet count went
up from a very dangerous level to nearly normal within a few
days and he began to sleep well.  He was, therefore, out of
danger within a short time.  He was sent to hospital
for a blood transfusion for his consequent anaemia.  The consultant
who had seen him previously and said he was dying pointed
him out to the students as an examle of spontaneous cure which cannot
be accounted for, although he new full well he had had a
Homeopathic snake venom as a remedy."

Citizen Jimserac
ironjustice - 25 Jun 2008 16:07 GMT
On Jun 25, 4:57 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com>
wrote:Homeopathic snake venom as a remedy <<

If one knows what snake venom does .. then this gives credence to
homeopathy ..

Snake venom causes .. hemolysis ..

Purpura .. is .. hemolysis ..

Like cures .. like ..

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> > Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
> > Crowther MA, George JN
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Citizen Jimserac - 26 Jun 2008 11:58 GMT
> On Jun 25, 4:57 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com>
> wrote:Homeopathic snake venom as a remedy <<
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Indeed!

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 25 Jun 2008 17:52 GMT
"most" patients do not die of it

many spontaneous go into remission

pool water or not

>> Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
>> Crowther MA, George JN
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> Citizen Jimserac
ironjustice - 26 Jun 2008 02:03 GMT
On Jun 25, 9:52 am, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
snip <<

Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
Crowther MA, George JN
Cleve Clin J Med 2008 May; 75(5):369-75.

Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP) is a spectrum of syndromes
characterized by thrombocytopenia and microangiopathic hemolytic
anemia, manifested by an elevated blood lactate dehydrogenase (LDH)
concentration and red blood cell fragments.
It classically occurs in patients with a hereditary or acquired lack
of ADAMTS13, a metalloproteinase that cleaves large multimers of von
Willebrand factor.
Other TTP-like syndromes, including TTP associated with pregnancy,
organ transplantation, and certain medications, likely have different
underlying causes and may require different treatment.
Unless TTP is recognized promptly and treated aggressively, most
patients die of it.
Cleveland Clinic journal of medicine [Cleve Clin J Med]
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> >> Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
> >> Crowther MA, George JN
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Citizen Jimserac - 26 Jun 2008 12:04 GMT
On Jun 25, 12:52 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "most" patients do not die of it
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> > CitizenJimserac

"Spontaneous Remission" is not an explanation
it is an excuse, a rationalization,
a descent into superstition as well as
pathetic denialism.

SOMETHING enabled the child to survive.
You may disagree that it was the Homeopathic
remedy, (even though the evidence is staring
you in the face) but you MUST agree
that something was involved in the causality
of the cure.

From the symptoms described and the fact
that the standard medical doctor had given
up the child for dead, I suggest you
begin to entertain the idea that the
Homeopathic remedy, with NO atoms of
crotalus horridus in it, was the proximal
cause of the child's cure.

Citizen Jimserac
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 26 Jun 2008 17:57 GMT
> On Jun 25, 12:52 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "most" patients do not die of it
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>
> SOMETHING enabled the child to survive.

it is more likely that the child was given plasmapheresis....which gives
about a 75% chance of "spontaneous remission".....tho yes it can recur

> You may disagree that it was the Homeopathic
> remedy, (even though the evidence is staring
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> crotalus horridus in it, was the proximal
> cause of the child's cure.

snake venom will not cure ttp

> Citizen Jimserac
ironjustice - 26 Jun 2008 23:30 GMT
On Jun 26, 9:57 am, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:it is more likely
that the child was given plasmapheresis....which gives about a 75%
chance of "spontaneous remission" .. <<

One might consider this to be .. NOT .. spontaneous .

Spontaneous means remission without known **reason**.

Plasmapheresis is KNOWN to cause remission.

The chances of the person receiving plasmapheresis are very low when
one considers everyone in the **world**.

One will be better served in developed countries but in countries
where there is very little health care .. spontaneous recovery is all
but non-existent because .. ? .. no plasmapheresis ..

Sooo .. plasmapheresis is the treatment and NOT .. "spontaneous
recovery" ..

Try to get plasmapheresis when you can't even get near a hospital with
power.

IF someone from the underdeveloped countries were to be cured without
any intervention then that is .. spontaneous ..

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> > On Jun 25, 12:52 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> "most" patients do not die of it
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Citizen Jimserac - 27 Jun 2008 13:20 GMT
On Jun 26, 12:57 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> > CitizenJimserac

I can assure you, Dr. Margery Blackie,
former physician to the Queen of England,
was not lying.   The child was
given a Homepathic remedy,  crotalus horridus,
and survived because of it.

You can chose to ignore this, pretend
it did not happen, or resort to the
rationalization of spontaneous remission.

Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 27 Jun 2008 13:46 GMT
> I can assure you, Dr. Margery Blackie,
> former physician to the Queen of England,
> was not lying.   The child was
> given a Homepathic remedy,  crotalus horridus,
> and survived because of it.

Two out of three ain't bad.

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ironjustice - 26 Jun 2008 02:29 GMT
On Jun 24, 7:15 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura <<

"TTP in association with SLE appears to be underdiagnosed"

Vol. 115, No. 1-2, 2006
Original Paper

Thrombotic Thrombocytopenic Purpura Associated with Systemic Lupus
Erythematosus
Aamer Aleem, Saleh Al-Sugair

Department of Medicine, Division of
aHematology/Oncology and
bRheumatology, College of Medicine and King Khalid University
Hospital, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

Address of Corresponding Author

Acta Haematol 2006;115:68-73 (DOI: 10.1159/000089469)
Abstract

Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP) occurring in patients with
systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) is rare and can be difficult to
diagnose because of overlapping features of the two disorders.
The aim of this study is to further characterize this uncommon
association in terms of presenting features, diagnostic difficulties
and treatment outcome.
This is the largest series from a single centre with 6 patients
diagnosed over a 6-year period.
Two thirds of the patients had a simultaneous diagnosis of TTP and
SLE.
Half of the patients had a positive Coombs test along with clear
features of TTP. Five patients received plasmapheresis as initial
treatment while 1 patient received plasma infusions only.
Four out of 5 patients responded to plasmapheresis and only 1 patient
required cytotoxic therapy.
TTP in association with SLE appears to be underdiagnosed and a
positive Coombs test is not against the diagnosis of TTP in this
setting.
Most of the patients respond well to plasmapheresis.
In case of a poor response, cytotoxic drugs should be considered
early.

Copyright © 2006 S. Karger AG, Basel

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Author Contacts

Dr. A. Aleem
Department of Medicine (38), King Khalid University Hospital
PO Box 7805
Riyadh 11472 (Saudi Arabia)
Tel. +966 1 467 1771, Fax +966 1 467 9487, E-Mail
aameraleem@hotmail.com

  © 2008 S. Karger AG, Basel

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> Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
> Crowther MA, George JN
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>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ironjustice - 27 Jun 2008 03:43 GMT
plasmapheresis <<

"Plasmapheresis alternative to haemodilution"

Here they COMPARE plasmapheresis TO hemodilution.

Hemodilution is called bloodletting by some.

Minerva Anestesiol. 1995 Jul-Aug;61(7-8):293-7.Links
[Plasmapheresis and intraoperative hemodilution. Comparison of 2
methods][Article in Italian]

Sonzogni V, Bellavita P, Aceti M, Cossolini M, Lorini L.
Secondo Servizio Anestesia e Rianimazione, Ospedali Riuniti, Bergamo.

Fifty patients undergoing cardiac surgery suffering from coronary
artery disease and valvular incompetence or stenosis, were randomly
divided into two groups of 25 patients to compare the plasmapheresis
effects on bleeding, transfusion requirements, economicity and
paramedical staff compliance versus intraoperative autotransfusion.
Standardized anesthetics, perfusion, and surgical techniques were
used. We used plasmapheresis with cell saver and haemodilution with
bypass ultrafiltration. Platelet counts, haemoglobin concentration,
haematocrit, fibrinogen, bleeding times were evaluated at fixed times
for the patients on plasmapheresis and after surgical homologous
transfusion. It was that these parameters did not change significantly
in the two groups. Intraoperative plasmapheresis is more expensive and
less accepted into an operating room than autotransfusion.
Intraoperative plasmapheresis will be a good alternative to
haemodilution for selected patients.

PMID: 8948740 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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> Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura: 2008 updlate
> Crowther MA, George JN
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
 
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