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ironjustice - 18 Jun 2008 07:00 GMT "Porphyria cutanea tarda should be considered for scleroderma"
Nippon Rinsho. 1995 Jun;53(6):1463-7.Links [Scleroderma and porphyria cutanea tarda][Article in Japanese]
Tsukazaki N, Okada S, Yoshida H. Department of Dermatology, Nagasaki University School of Medicine.
Examination was made of sclerodermoid changes in porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT) and PCT in association with true scleroderma. Although sclerodermoid change in PCT is rare in Japan, it is important in the diagnosis of PCT when there are few other clinical signs characteristic of PCT. In the present case, slight improvement in cutaneous sclerosis was noted following treatment for PCT, but pulmonary changes somewhat intensified. The reason for the association of PCT with progressive systemic sclerosis (PSS) remains obscure. Elevated uroporphyrin due to PCT may possibly increase cutaneous sclerosis in PSS. A diagnosis of PCT should be considered for patients presenting scleroderma, since it is difficult to distinguish sclerodermoid changes from true scleroderma.
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ironjustice@aol.com - 20 Jun 2008 04:48 GMT On Jun 17, 11:00 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:Porphyria cutanea tarda <<
Just in case anyone is unaware .. porphyria cutanea tarda is iron overload.
Elevated uroporphyrin due to PCT <<
We also just learned throught the mistaken feeding of fish to mice that meat causes elevated uroporphyrin. We also just learned that when the iron is too high the vitamin C in the body cannot stop the body from having elevated uroporphyrin.
Sooo .. is it the iron overload / porphyria cutanea tarda which is causing the increased scleroderma in lupus .. ?
Does porphyria cutanea tarda .. share .. many .. ? ..common symptoms .. ?
We know there is a VERY high rate of anemia .. in lupus.
Which we pretty much have established seems to be kinda .. strange .. due to the fact .. EVERYONE with 'similar' diseases are in FACT .. all .. iron OVERLOADED.
Sooo ..if one were to disregard this hyperferritinemia in lupus AS.. not to be recognized .. but just the OPPOSITE and USE this iron overload marker AS an iron overload marker .. and what are you left with .. ?
EVERY marker now points to iron overload as a LARGE problem in lupus as opposed to .. "they are all iron deficient" ..
Just the OPPOSITE of what .. 'they'.. TELL you ..
Scary .. but seems to be true .. by using .. logic.
Hyperferritinemia used as a marker shows iron overload in almost all SLE patients.
The rest .. ?
Seeing the marker they DO use for hyperferritinemia is SOOOOOO .. high .. then we can pretty much be sure all the rest are over the low marker ..
Logical .. ?
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> "Porphyria cutanea tarda should be considered for scleroderma" > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk ironjustice - 21 Jun 2008 06:16 GMT On Jun 19, 8:48 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: The reason for the association of PCT with progressive systemic sclerosis (PSS) remains obscure. <<
Hmmmm .. another case of iron overload and systemic sclerosis .. This time with siderosis / another iron overload the deafening disease.
Systemic sclerosis and superficial siderosis of the central nervous system: casuality or causality? Rheumatol Int. 2008 Jun;28(8):815-8. Epub 2008 Jan 12 Simeoni S, Puccetti A, Tinazzi E, Tomelleri G, Corrocher R, Lunardi C. Department of Clinical and Experimental Medicine, Section of Internal Medicine, University of Verona, Policlinico GB Rossi, Piazzale LA Scuro, 37134, Verona, Italy.
We describe the case of a 59 year old man with systemic sclerosis and superficial siderosis of the central nervous system characterized by progressive worsening of walking with signs of pyramidal liberation associated with cerebellar ataxia and bilateral hypoacusia. Ferritin and oligoclonal bands were found on lumbar puncture and Magnetic Resonance Imaging of the brain and spinal cord revealed a rim of hypointensity in T2-weighted images enveloping the surface of brain and spinal cord, typical of hemosiderosis. Neurological complications, both central and peripheral, are thought to be rare and coincidental in systemic sclerosis; however over the past decade, some authors have reported a high incidence (up to 40%) of neurological involvement in the disease. In this report we consider the hypothesis that superficial siderosis may be a direct complication of systemic sclerosis. To our knowledge, this case represents the first description of superficial siderosis in a patient with systemic sclerosis.
PMID: 18193230 [PubMed - in process]
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> On Jun 17, 11:00 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > wrote:Porphyria cutanea tarda << [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 27 Jun 2008 03:20 GMT On Jun 19, 8:48 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:Does porphyria cutanea tarda .. share .. many .. ? ..common symptoms .. ? <<
"One may conceal the presence of the other"
"ASSOCIATION OF LUPUS ERYTHEMATOSUS AND PORPHYRIA"
http://tinyurl.com/4kqpxh British Journal of Dermatology Volume 82 Issue 2 Page 118-124, February 1970
To cite this article: G. W. HETHERINGTON, R. L. JETTON, JOH. M KNOX (1970) THE ASSOCIATION OF LUPUS ERYTHEMATOSUS AND PORPHYRIA British Journal of Dermatology 82 (2) , 118–124 doi:10.1111/j. 1365-2133.1970.tb15001.x Abstract THE ASSOCIATION OF LUPUS ERYTHEMATOSUS AND PORPHYRIA G. W. HETHERINGTON11Department of Dermatology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, U.S.A., R. L. JETTON11Department of Dermatology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, U.S.A. and JOH. M KNOX11Department of Dermatology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, U.S.A.1Department of Dermatology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, U.S.A. Abstract SUMMARY.—Two cases of chronic discoid lupus erythematosus associated with porphyria cutanea tarda are described and the literature on this association is reviewed.
The coexistence of these 2 conditions may be fortuitous or may be determined by some unknown mechanism. Since both conditions may present clinically as photosensitivity, one may conceal the presence of the other if their possible association is not considered.
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> On Jun 17, 11:00 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > wrote:Porphyria cutanea tarda << [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice@aol.com - 05 Jul 2008 14:01 GMT Porphyria <<
http://www.mcsrr.org/resources/articles/S5.html
Porphyria, Porphyrinuria and Porphyrinopathy Chemical Injury and Disorders of Porphyrin Metabolism
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> On Jun 19, 8:48 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> > wrote:Does porphyria cutanea tarda .. share .. many .. ? ..common [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice@aol.com - 05 Jul 2008 14:18 GMT On Jul 5, 6:01 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: porphyria <<
This would be my free bisphosphonate again. http://tinyurl.com/54syvt
"Avoid fasting, dieting, and a low carbohydrate intake which can aggravate symptoms. Symptoms may be reduced by eating a regular diet of adequate carbohydrates. Complex carbohydrates are best, such as potatoes and grains (bread, pasta, cereal, etc. made from wheat, corn, oats, rye, and other grains).
Avoid iron supplements and vitamins containing iron. Also avoid cookware made with uncoated iron or aluminum, since these metals can contaminate your food.
Consider having your serum iron tested if you frequently have diarrhea or loose stools. Low normal is considered better for people with porphyrin disorders. Another way to reduce iron levels in the body (if near or above average) is to slowly cut your meat intake."
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> Porphyria << > [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 08 Jul 2008 05:57 GMT On Jul 5, 6:18 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: porphyria <<
Porphyria manifests hemolysis and a marker for this is d-dimer. ANOTHER marker in lupus which they .. disregard .. thereby effectively eliminating a diagnosis OF .. hemolysis.
"D-dimer"
Arthritis Rheum. 2005 Jun 15;53(3):452-9. Links Thrombosis in systemic lupus erythematosus: congenital and acquired risk factors. Afeltra A, Vadacca M, Conti L, Galluzzo S, Mitterhofer AP, Ferri GM, Del Porto F, Caccavo D, Gandolfo GM, Amoroso A. University Campus Bio-Medico, Rome, Italy. a.afeltra@unicampus.it
OBJECTIVE: To investigate the thrombotic tendency in patients with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) by evaluating congenital or acquired abnormalities associated with an increased risk of venous and/or arterial thrombosis. METHODS: A total of 57 patients with SLE were included in the study. Twenty-one patients (37%) had a history of arterial and/or venous thrombosis and 36 patients (63%) did not have such a history. Sera from 50 healthy controls were examined. Protein C, protein S, antithrombin, D-dimer, fibrinogen, homocysteine, anticardiolipin antibodies (aCL), lupus anticoagulant (LAC), prothrombin G20210A, and methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) C677T gene mutation were evaluated. RESULTS: Protein C, antithrombin, fibrinogen, D-dimer, and homocysteine levels were significantly higher in patients with SLE than in controls. A prothrombin mutation was observed in 2 (4%) of 50 controls and in 6 (11%) of 57 patients. A significantly higher prevalence (P = 0.036) of MTHFR homozygous mutation was observed in patients with SLE (14 [25%] of 57) in comparison with controls (4 [8%] of 50). IgG-aCL and IgM-aCL levels were significantly higher in patients with SLE than in controls (P < 0.0001). The presence of medium-high (> or = 20 IgG phospholipid units/ml) IgG- aCL antibody titers was significantly higher (P = 0.005) in patients with thrombosis (11 [52%] of 21) than in patients without (5 [14%] of 36) thrombosis. LAC was present in 22 (38.5%) of 57 patients and in none of 50 controls. CONCLUSION: In this study, we confirm the association between thrombosis and IgG- aCL at medium-high titers and suggest that the coexistence of other risk factors can affect the expression of thrombosis in patients with SLE.
PMID: 15934123 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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J Transl Med. 2004 11 9;2 (1):38 15535889 (P,S,E,B) Cited:1 The role of d-dimer as first marker of thrombophilia in women affected by sterility: implications in pathophysiology and diagnosis of thrombophilia induced sterility.
[My paper] Di Micco, D'Uva, Strina, Mollo, Amato, Niglio, De Placido IV Divisione di Medicina Interna e Patologie Epato-Bilio-Metaboliche, Seconda Università di Napoli, Naples, Italy. pdimicco@libero.it. BACKGROUND: D-dimer is considered a marker of hypercoagulable state and of endogenous fibrinolysis, so increased d-dimer is detectable in patients affected by thrombosis. Yet, several studies showed that also infertility, in particular secondary infertility due to recurrent fetal losses, has been often related to thrombotic events, in particular in women carrying thrombotic risk factors such as inherited thrombophilia (MTHFRC677T, PTHRA20210G, Factor V Leiden polimorphisms and/or inhAfter this screening we selected 39erited protein C, protein S, AT III deficiency) or acquired thrombophilia (primary antiphospholipid syndrome, acquired protein C, protein S, AT III deficiency, drugs induced thrombophilia). However, because its high predictive negative value in case of suspected thrombosis, increased d-dimer has been often associated to subclinical thrombophilia. The aim of this study is to investigate the role of d-dimer as first marker of thrombophilia in women affected by unexplained infertility and subsequently to search the cause of increased d-dimer, such as inherited and/or acquired thrombophilia. PATIENTS AND METHODS: We selected 79 patients with unexplained primary or secondary infertility. We excluded 40 patients affected by hydrosalpinx, uterine fibroids, uterine malformations, endocrinological and immunological diseases, luteal insufficiency, cytogenetical alterations. All remaining 39 patients were tested for d-dimer and divided in two groups: the patients of group A (25 patients) showed increased plasma d-dimer, in group B were included 14 patients with normal plasma level of d-dimer. After this step all 39 patients were screened for MTHFRC677T, PTHRA20210G, Factor V Leiden polimorphisms, protein C, protein S, AT III, anticardiolipin IgM and IgG, lupus anticoagulant. In the control group were included 15 age matched women without sterility problems referred to our outpatient's section of vascular medicine for suspected deep venous thrombosis. Statistical analysis was based on chi2 test, differences were considered to be significant if p < 0.05. RESULTS: D-dimer was increased in 25/39 and 20/25 showed inherited/acquired thrombophilia while patients with normal d-dimer showed inherited/ acquired thrombophilia in 7/14 (p: < 0.05, s). DISCUSSION: D-dimer is a well known marker of hypercoagulable state, in particular its high predictive negative value in case of suspected thrombosis has been recognised by several reports. Yet, increased d-dimer has been identified also for subclinical thrombophilia besides for vascular thrombosis. Our data, in fact, for the first time suggest an interesting role of d- dimer to identify women affected by unexplained primary or secondary infertility and thrombophilia. So, probably there is a role for d- dimer in these subjects for its predictive positive value. Of course, further data on large based population are needed to confirm our results, because these findings may speed up a diagnostic screening in these patients also for a good cost/effectiveness of this test.
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> On Jul 5, 6:01 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:porphyria<< > [quoted text clipped - 180 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 25 Jun 2008 03:43 GMT On Jun 19, 8:48 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:porphyria cutanea tarda <<
I suppose it is mere coincidence the drug used to treat porphyria cutanea tarda is very useful in lupus? No iron overload in lupus like in porphyria cutanea tarda?
"Cutaneous symptoms disappeared"
Arch Dermatol. 1980 Oct;116(10):1147-50.Links Hydroxychloroquine treatment of porphyria cutanea tarda. Malkinson FD, Levitt L. Six patients with skin changes and urinary porphyrin excretion patterns characteristic for porphyria cutanea tarda were treated with hydroxychloroquine sulfate therapy. During treatment periods ranging from five to 13 months, cutaneous symptoms disappeared and urinary porphyrin excretion abnormalities were completely or almost completely reversed. In three subjects, hydroxychloroquine therapy was accompanied by changes in the urinary excretion of iron. The first four patients, followed up for nine to 24 months after treatment, all had relapse, and substantial porphyrinuria developed once more; cutaneous symptoms recurred in two of these. Three of the four patients were re-treated, and their conditions again improved or went into remission with hydroxychloroquine therapy. In two patients, treatment responses were slower than those initially seen, despite the use of higher drug doses; in the third patient, the response to re-treatment was more rapid than that seen during the first treatment course.
PMID: 7425660 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ---------------------------------------
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Treatment of Polyarthritis in Patients with Systemic Lupus Erythematosus
Drug Comment NSAIDs Avoid gastrotoxic NSAIDs; counter with cytoprotective therapy Antimalarials Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is the antimalarial drug used most often in the United States; ophthalmologic monitoring is recommended every six to 12 months Glucocorticoids Individual joints may benefit from intra-articular injection of triamcinolone (Aristospan); severe polyarthritis flare- ups may be treated with intravenous "pulse therapy" consisting of 1,000 mg of methylprednisolone (Solumedrol) daily for three days; use of prednisone for maintenance therapy should be limited to 10 mg or less daily Immunosuppressive drugs Methotrexate (Rheumatrex) or azathioprine (Imuran) can be used as steroid-sparing drugs; methotrexate cannot be used during pregnancy
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Antimalarial agents, especially hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil), are frequently used in the treatment of polyarthritis. Hydroxychloroquine is very safe; only 1 percent of patients using it develop retinopathy. Retinopathy as a result of hydroxychloroquine use is usually reversible when the drug is discontinued.
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> On Jun 17, 11:00 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > wrote:Porphyria cutanea tarda << [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 25 Jun 2008 04:09 GMT On Jun 24, 7:43 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:Plaquenil <<
Anyone care to venture a guess why phlebotomy / bloodletting isn't used in lupus or arthritis when a drug that is an "alternative to bloodletting" .. IS .. readily prescribed .. ?
Plaquenil - Plaquenil Side Effects - Plaquenil Information ...Hydroxychloroquine has been beneficial for a high percentage of patients with rheumatoid arthritis and lupus erythematosus, especially chronic discoid lupus ...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <<snip>> hydroxychloroquine should be the preferred alternative to phlebotomy <<snip>>
A comparative trial of desferrioxamine and hydroxychloroquine for treatment of porphyria cutanea tarda in alcoholic patients. Photodermatol. 1984 Dec;1(6):286-92. Links Marchesi L, Di Padova C, Cainelli T, Reseghetti A, Di Padova F, Rovagnati P, Cantoni L. Forty male alcoholic patients with porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT) were randomly assigned to 2 groups of 20. The 1st group received desferrioxamine (30 mg/kg body weight/day for 1 week every 3 months) whereas the latter was given hydroxychloroquine (200 mg twice/wk orally). Alcohol abstinence was advised for all patients. Improvement of cutaneous signs was evident after 6 months in hydroxychloroquine- treated subjects and after 12 months in desferrioxamine-treated subjects. At the end of the 1-year clinical trial, significant decreases of serum iron and ferritin were found in all patients, irrespective of the therapy. Urinary total porphyrins were reduced significantly in both groups, but the drop was significantly more evident in hydroxychloroquine- than in desferrioxamine-treated subjects. After 1 year of therapy, 4 desferrioxamine-treated patients vs 16 hydroxychloroquine-treated subjects acquired a normal urinary porphyrin pattern. These results indicate that hydroxychloroquine is more effective than desferrioxamine in inducing clinical and biochemical remission of PCT. Accordingly, hydroxychloroquine should be the preferred alternative to phlebotomy, if the latter is contraindicated.
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