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ironjustice@aol.com - 30 May 2008 17:21 GMT
Could / would this relate to why a person with crohns can eat
potato .. prepared ONLY in 'certain ways' .. ?

Certain Potato Preparation Guidelines For Kidney Dialysis
Article Date: 30 May 2008 - 4:00 PDT
Article

Potatoes are a valuable source of mineral nutrients that provide high
levels of potassium. Individuals with compromised kidney function,
however, must minimize their potassium intake. A new study in the
Journal of Food Science explored the effects of leaching and boiling
on levels of potassium and other minerals in potatoes and found that
boiling cubed or shredded samples reduced potassium levels by 50
percent and 75 percent, respectively.

Shelley Jansky, PhD, and Paul Bethke, PhD, both of the United States
Department of Agriculture - Agricultural Research Service and
University of Wisconsin-Madison Department of Horticulture, utilized
samples of potatoes that had been shredded as well as potatoes that
had been diced into 1 cm cubes. The samples were then leached or
boiled, two treatments that are most likely to have an impact on the
mineral content of a consumed product.

The mineral content of the potatoes was drastically reduced by either
cubing or shredding them and then boiling. Boiling shredded potatoes
reduced levels of zinc, manganese, magnesium, and sulfur by 50
percent. Boiled potato cubes lost 35 percent of their total magnesium
and zinc.

Leaching, which refers to soaking food in water before cooking, had
little effect on the mineral levels of the samples. Because leaching
alone was an ineffective method for reducing potassium content, there
exists little benefit for renal failure patients trying to reduce
potassium consumption by leaching potatoes.

Those with compromised kidney function can decrease their mineral
intake while still taking advantage of the other nutritional
qualities
of potatoes by boiling them, thinly sliced. This method will remove a
large quantity of many minerals, including potassium. It is not
necessary to complicate the process by leaching potato slices before
boiling them.

"Our study offers information about the nutritional quality of
potatoes and the effects of cooking on the contents of mineral
nutrients," the authors conclude. "It will likely result in changes
in
recommendations by medical staff working with patients who have
compromised kidney function." To view this article in its entirety
visit Editor's Note: According to the National Kidney Foundation,
approximately 26 million Americans have Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD).
More information is available here.

About IFT

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USA, the Institute of Food Technologist is a not-for-profit
international scientific society with 22,000 members working in food
science, technology and related professions in the industry, academia
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brings sound science to the public discussion of food issues.

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ironjustice@aol.com - 30 May 2008 17:23 GMT
On May 30, 9:21 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:crohns can eat
> potato .. prepared ONLY in 'certain ways' .. <<

This should have read lupus .. why can lupus patients eat potato
prepared one way but not the other .. ?

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> Could / would this relate to why a person with crohns can eat
> potato .. prepared ONLY in 'certain ways' .. ?
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>  DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
>  http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Andy - 30 May 2008 21:17 GMT
In message
<20a90888-1dcc-4030-ba7d-45fd78df40de@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
>On May 30, 9:21 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
>wrote:crohns can eat
>> potato .. prepared ONLY in 'certain ways' .. <<
>
>This should have read lupus .. why can lupus patients eat potato
>prepared one way but not the other .. ?

You have also scatter-gunned your wisdom on the potato to
sci.med.nutrition, sci.med, misc.health.alternative,
alt.support.crohns-colitis, and alt.support.kidney-disease.

To all of these, you followed it up with this correction:

=============================================
On May 30, 6:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:why a
person with crohns can eat potato .. prepared ONLY in 'certain
ways' .. ? <<

This should have been .. lupus ..

Sorry about that ..
Lupus patients can eat potato one way but not the other .. boiled
versus baked .. ?

Cold .. ?

I can't remember .. some girl with lupus mentioned it and I said ..
noway ..

But .. she had lupus .. who am I to argue ..
=======================================

So, your evidence seems to be that "some girl with lupus" can eat potato
prepared in one way but not in another, although you cannot remember any
details.

This you then generalise into all lupus patients having this problem.

Permit me to introduce some facts.

1.      I know one lupus patient who does not have this problem.

2.      I know many lupus patients who have never mentioned this
       problem; they are not reticent in stating what their problems
       are.

3.      I have on several (about 12) occasions been with over 150 lupus
       patients; when food and diet were under discussion the potato
       was not mentioned.

4.      "Just because you have lupus, it doesn't mean you can't also
       have something else". It is quite likely that your informant had
       some other disorder; it is quite unlikely that lupus and
       potato-preparation are causally linked.

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ironjustice@aol.com - 30 May 2008 23:34 GMT
On May 30, 1:17 pm, Andy <a...@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> wrote:So, your
evidence seems to be that "some girl with lupus" <<

You got some reason to be on this thread OTHER than to attempt to
badmouth me .. ?

Do ya .. you useless fk .. ?

Do ya .. ?

Hit the fkg road and stay the fk away from me you useless .. fk.

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> In message
> <20a90888-1dcc-4030-ba7d-45fd78df4...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
> <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>
Andy - 31 May 2008 10:42 GMT
In message
<e7a299f0-8ee8-40ec-97bc-0aa3faa7c660@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>On May 30, 1:17 pm, Andy <a...@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> wrote:So, your
>evidence seems to be that "some girl with lupus" <<
>
>You got some reason to be on this thread OTHER than to attempt to
>badmouth me .. ?

I make no comment on what you choose to post to other groups.

In this group, I will continue to challenge unproven assertions.

If you don't like the heat, find another kitchen.
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J - 31 May 2008 10:17 GMT
> In message
> <20a90888-1dcc-4030-ba7d-45fd78df40de@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >This should have read lupus .. why can lupus patients eat potato
> >prepared one way but not the other .. ?

<snipped>
potato - nightshade family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato

I'm sure nightshade's been mentioned before (on group)  if not on the FAQ or
www.lupus.org.
But my searching days are over due to limb and hand problems.
J
Andy - 31 May 2008 10:48 GMT
In message <48411795.DBF3D128@execulink.com>, J <nospam@pigment.inv>
wrote
[
>potato - nightshade family
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>But my searching days are over due to limb and hand problems.
>J

http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk/katfaq/triggers.htm

About 2/3 down the page:

       Excessive amounts of Solanins appear to be problematic for some
       patients. This is the Nightshade family and includes tomatoes,
       peppers, tobacco, tomatillos, potatoes and many other plants.

I don't know the source; there's no more detail.
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J - 31 May 2008 11:59 GMT
> [
> >potato - nightshade family
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> I don't know the source; there's no more detail.

This one says "no evidence" (but it's old) and look for patterrns (keep track)
<
http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarticlesnet/templates/new_communityexperts.as
px?articleid=604&zoneid=96


"Q: Will eating nightshade vegetables increase my lupus flares or joint pain? It
seems that every place I read about this has a different opinion about this.

A: The nightshade vegetables include white potatoes, tomatoes, peppers (sweet and
hot), and eggplant. There are others, but they are not foods that are typically
consumed in the U.S. While there is anecdotal evidence that some of these foods
can be related to inflammation, there is no solid scientific evidence to support
this concept. My advice would be for people to keep track of when they eat these
foods, and to look for a pattern between consumption and a flare. They would want
to observe a link between a particular food and a flare on multiple occasions --
not just a few times. If there does seem to be a connection, then by all means, a
person could avoid one/all of the nightshade vegetables without creating any
nutrient deficiencies. Peppers, for example, are high in vitamin C, but so are
plenty of other foods (i.e. citrus), so limiting peppers in your diet isn't going
to cause any problems. Bottom line -- there isn't any good scientific evidence
linking nightshade vegetables to inflammation/flares, but if people believe there
is an association for them, then it isn't going to hurt them to omit the
offending food from their diet."

So his post was about "Individuals with compromised kidney function must minimize
their potassium intake.
Those with compromised kidney function can decrease their mineral intake while
still taking advantage of the other nutritional qualities of potatoes by boiling
them, thinly sliced. This method will remove a large quantity of many minerals,
including potassium."

I think Lupus patients with compromised kidney function, should get their
nutritional advice from a nutritionist at the nephrologist's ?  They should know
the latest and what's best for each patient.
J
Andy - 31 May 2008 13:35 GMT
In message <48412F89.F8567436@execulink.com>, J <nospam@pigment.inv>
wrote
[]
> My advice would be for people to keep track of when they eat these
>foods, and to look for a pattern between consumption and a flare. They
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>person could avoid one/all of the nightshade vegetables without creating any
>nutrient deficiencies.

That looks like good advice. Possibly the link in a given person might
not be immediate - I recall reading somewhere that for many people a
flare today may be caused by excessive UV exposure yesterday or even the
day before.

So, keep a diary on the "if in doubt write it out" system - but then
look for patterns. No medic is going to spend an hour reading your
diary!

As is often said, being ill is a full-time job for a healthy person.

[]
>I think Lupus patients with compromised kidney function, should get their
>nutritional advice from a nutritionist at the nephrologist's

I agree.
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Mair - 31 May 2008 18:37 GMT
>> In message
>> <20a90888-1dcc-4030-ba7d-45fd78df40de@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> But my searching days are over due to limb and hand problems.
> J
I have never had a potato that needed dialysis.  I wouldn't know the
symptoms.  I guess that would be Pigmet's department...he is the potato
expert of the family.

Be healthy and happy

Mair
 
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