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UK Lupus Convention - Andynotes

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Andy - 16 May 2008 21:24 GMT
Here are my notes from the 2008 Lupus UK Convention. Accuracy and
completeness are not guaranteed; medical details may be wrong. I did
however pay special attention to use of the word "iron". It was not
mentioned once by any medical or other speaker, neither as a cause nor a
complication; it is not a risk factor, nor is altering ones body's iron
content a treatment.

SYSTEMIC LUPUS INTERNATIONAL COLLABORATING CLINICS INCEPTION COHORT:
ATHEROSCLEROSIS REGISTRY

International co-operation between Lupus treatment centres right across
the world. Distribution of patients known to be different from
world-average (eg less Afro-Caribbean) because not enough centres in the
relevant countries have joined the network (if indeed they exist).
Lupus requires the medics to take a "wide angle view" of the patient.
Patients need understanding and treatment, not sympathy: medics who say
"I know how you feel" do not!

There are three main areas to be measured & treated: disease activity;
damage; quality of life. In the initial stages, disease activity is
high. Later, it usually subsides but reveals the damage it has caused to
joints, kidneys etc. Various indexes have been developed to assist, not
least in inter-consultant communication and in drug trials. Two are
BILAG for activity and SF36 for Q-of-life. There are many new drugs
undergoing trials - the future looks promising. Lupus is getting
diagnosed earlier and treated better.

Q: does having Lupus make cancer more likely? A: No, with one exception
(non-Hodgkins lymphoma) which is very rare anyway.

Q: Lupus and diabetes? A: if you have Lupus then you are less likely
than average to also have diabetes (but you can still have it)

RHEUMATOLOGY DAY UNIT AND HELPLINE

Development of day units, linked to clinics and ward. Patients find it
more convenient and flexible. Very useful for intravenous infusions.
Clinical outcomes the same as for in-patients; small cost saving;
greater patient satisfaction.

Development of nurse-staffed telephone help lines. They can advise etc,
and also refer to GP, consultant, physiotherapy etc.

LUPUS AND CORONARY HEART DISEASE: WHAT IS THE RISK AND WHAT CAN WE DO
ABOUT IT?

Risks of heart disease in lupus patients. Risk assessment tables
developed and used. Given age, gender, weight, y/n smoker, blood
pressure, good- and bad-cholesterol levels: then for non-diabetic people
risk is predictable (eg this patient has a 20% chance of a heart attack
in the next 5 years). Need for and nature of treatment can then be
assessed.

For diabetics, the risk is higher: all else being the same, latest data
are "maybe twice as high". Inflammation looks like being an influential
risk factor too. Long duration of lupus measurably raises the risk;
severity raises it; effective treatment lowers it.

What can the patient do? Cannot change genetics, gender, age. Can: stop
smoking; be active; avoid excessive weight gain; don't snack on
high-density carbohydrates (eat fruit instead); have a good diet.

Medics should: prescribe statins, at a lower threshold than currently
common; treat disease activity more aggressively. Statins are much safer
than aspirin! No other bad-cholesterol-lowering medication is anywhere
near in effectiveness.
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Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
<URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>

ironjustice@aol.com - 19 May 2008 08:12 GMT
On May 16, 1:24 pm, Andy <a...@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> wrote:the word
"iron". It was not mentioned once by any medical or other speaker,
neither as a cause nor a
complication; it is not a risk factor, nor is altering ones body's
iron
content a treatment. <<

"nor is altering ones body's iron content a treatment."

Now when you say that you actually MEAN to say .. "none of the
researchers use iron reduction as a treatment" .. as opposed to what
you .. said .. "altering ones body's iron content is not a
treatment" ..

You see the slight .. difference .. there .. ?

I said already nobody uses it ..

I told you that before you even went ..

I see YOU never mentioned iron reduction as a treatment strategy ..
then.

EVEN THOUGH you received leading edge studies BY .. **me** .. about
complete cure in related diseases BY iron reduction.

TO people .. interested people .. who have **no clue** they even
exist / IE: no mention between pints ..

Sooo .. just like I said ..

Did you enjoy your Guiness there .. Andy ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

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> Here are my notes from the 2008 Lupus UK Convention. Accuracy and
> completeness are not guaranteed; medical details may be wrong. I did
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
> <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>
Andy - 22 May 2008 20:00 GMT
In message
<31be8b76-692c-44dc-9b3e-5f3e4b7956f0@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
>On May 16, 1:24 pm, Andy <a...@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> wrote:the word
>"iron". It was not mentioned once by any medical or other speaker,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>you .. said .. "altering ones body's iron content is not a
>treatment" ..

(Your keyboard seems to be malfunctioning: could you check that the
full-stop key isn't partially jammed.)

>You see the slight .. difference .. there .. ?

Yes. Thank you for clarifying what you say I mean. Now it's my turn.

Defining "treatment" as "a course of action undertaken with a view to
altering the functioning of a human body", I am prepared to accept that
"altering ones body's iron content" is a treatment. So is cutting your
toenails, or dancing naked anticlockwise around a mulberry bush at
midnight. That does not mean that any of these treatments is of any use
for Lupus.

Treatments for lupus actually used by the medical profession are briefly
described here:

       <http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/treatments.asp>

       <http://www.cks.library.nhs.uk/patient_information_leaflet/lupus>

There *is* a reference to iron-alteration;

       <http://cks.library.nhs.uk/patient_information_leaflet/thalassaem
       ia>

where it is mentioned as a side-effect of the treatment for Beta
thalassaemia. It's irrelevant to Lupus.

Considerably more detail on established treatments are here:

       <http://www.medical.lupusuk.org.uk/gp_guide/treatment_of_lupus/dr
       ugs.asp>

It would have not been a good use of the Convention to spend time
listing all the "treatments" that are not used, either because they are
known to be ineffective or even harmful; or because they have no known
connection with any aspect of the causation or progress of the disease.

>I said already nobody uses it ..

There could be excellent reasons for that :)

>I told you that before you even went ..
>
>I see YOU never mentioned iron reduction as a treatment strategy ..
>then.

I was an addender, not a podium speaker. It was the latter who did not
mention it.

>EVEN THOUGH you received

Posting does not imply receiving; receiving does not imply reading; and
absence of response does not imply agreement!

I will for a period remove the filters I have placed on this group.

>leading edge studies BY .. **me** .. about
>complete cure in related diseases BY iron reduction.

Ha! "Who you"? Please remind me of your medical qualifications, and
provide links to your peer-reviewed papers. Such papers contain
evidence, not assertion; proof, not belief. Statements such as "disease
A is related to disease B" would be explained and justified in detail.
Results would be statistically meaningful, and reproducible by others.

(And to save you asking, I am not a medic; I trained as a physicist and
worked as an engineer. I am however accustomed to scientific argument.)

If you have indeed discovered something unknown to medical science, it
is your duty to humanity to share this knowledge with those able to make
use of it. That is, with the leaders of the medical profession; none of
them are likely to see your postings here, nor are any readers in touch
with them.

>TO people .. interested people .. who have **no clue** they even
>exist / IE: no mention between pints ..
>
>Sooo .. just like I said ..
>
>Did you enjoy your Guiness there .. Andy ..

Hmmm. Yes, you did make a similar remark in another thread. In which
country are you domiciled?
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Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
<URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>

Mair - 22 May 2008 01:24 GMT
> Here are my notes from the 2008 Lupus UK Convention. Accuracy and
> completeness are not guaranteed; medical details may be wrong. I did
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
> than aspirin! No other bad-cholesterol-lowering medication is anywhere
> near in effectiveness.

Thanks, Andy, for giving us something intelligent to read in what has become
a sparse dessert (sp?) for this group. I have the Ironman blocked, but what
I get is friends writing back in response to him.  I  suppose there is any
way to block content of the posts,  but I flatter myself by saying that I am
a klutz with the computer.

About -statins.  Could you elaborate by giving me a first syllable.  My drug
book is pretty good, but it lacks the indices for last word parts

Best regards

Mair
Andy - 22 May 2008 12:19 GMT
[huge snip]

>Thanks, Andy, for giving us something intelligent to read in what has become
>a sparse dessert (sp?) for this group.

Close - a sparse dessert would be a very small portion of something you
eat at the end of a meal. Like a sliver of Christmas Pudding with no
custard :)

Think desert, as in "choked by the sands of the Nile"....

[Aside. This week's test: to which animal and non-animal do I allude?]

>I have the Ironman blocked, but what
>I get is friends

for some value of friend. Most are trying to correct his wilder
utterances. Even I succumb at times.

>writing back in response to him.  I  suppose there is any
>way to block content of the posts,  but I flatter myself by saying that I am
>a klutz with the computer.

I can block by source-name, but my program then tells me what it has
blocked so I see them anyway. Perhaps it wants to be rewarded for its
efforts. I know - I'll give it some of that pudding.

Another trick that sometimes works is to block posts sent to more than x
newsgroups - for this group I block anything sent to more than 2 other
groups.

>About -statins.  Could you elaborate by giving me a first syllable.  My drug
>book is pretty good, but it lacks the indices for last word parts

I'll get back with this info.
Signature

Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
<URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>

Andy - 27 May 2008 10:34 GMT
[
>About -statins.  Could you elaborate by giving me a first syllable.  My drug
>book is pretty good, but it lacks the indices for last word parts

I should have thought of this myself, but had to wait until a friend
pointed it out!  See half-way down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin#Members
Signature

Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
<URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>

Mair - 27 May 2008 18:57 GMT
> [
>>About -statins.  Could you elaborate by giving me a first syllable.  My
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin#Members
Thanks Andy!  You are always a good source for information!

Mair
 
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