> Here are my notes from the 2008 Lupus UK Convention. Accuracy and
> completeness are not guaranteed; medical details may be wrong. I did
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> Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group].
> <URL:http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk>
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>On May 16, 1:24 pm, Andy <a...@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> wrote:the word
>"iron". It was not mentioned once by any medical or other speaker,
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>you .. said .. "altering ones body's iron content is not a
>treatment" ..
(Your keyboard seems to be malfunctioning: could you check that the
full-stop key isn't partially jammed.)
>You see the slight .. difference .. there .. ?
Yes. Thank you for clarifying what you say I mean. Now it's my turn.
Defining "treatment" as "a course of action undertaken with a view to
altering the functioning of a human body", I am prepared to accept that
"altering ones body's iron content" is a treatment. So is cutting your
toenails, or dancing naked anticlockwise around a mulberry bush at
midnight. That does not mean that any of these treatments is of any use
for Lupus.
Treatments for lupus actually used by the medical profession are briefly
described here:
<http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/treatments.asp>
<http://www.cks.library.nhs.uk/patient_information_leaflet/lupus>
There *is* a reference to iron-alteration;
<http://cks.library.nhs.uk/patient_information_leaflet/thalassaem
ia>
where it is mentioned as a side-effect of the treatment for Beta
thalassaemia. It's irrelevant to Lupus.
Considerably more detail on established treatments are here:
<http://www.medical.lupusuk.org.uk/gp_guide/treatment_of_lupus/dr
ugs.asp>
It would have not been a good use of the Convention to spend time
listing all the "treatments" that are not used, either because they are
known to be ineffective or even harmful; or because they have no known
connection with any aspect of the causation or progress of the disease.
>I said already nobody uses it ..
There could be excellent reasons for that :)
>I told you that before you even went ..
>
>I see YOU never mentioned iron reduction as a treatment strategy ..
>then.
I was an addender, not a podium speaker. It was the latter who did not
mention it.
>EVEN THOUGH you received
Posting does not imply receiving; receiving does not imply reading; and
absence of response does not imply agreement!
I will for a period remove the filters I have placed on this group.
>leading edge studies BY .. **me** .. about
>complete cure in related diseases BY iron reduction.
Ha! "Who you"? Please remind me of your medical qualifications, and
provide links to your peer-reviewed papers. Such papers contain
evidence, not assertion; proof, not belief. Statements such as "disease
A is related to disease B" would be explained and justified in detail.
Results would be statistically meaningful, and reproducible by others.
(And to save you asking, I am not a medic; I trained as a physicist and
worked as an engineer. I am however accustomed to scientific argument.)
If you have indeed discovered something unknown to medical science, it
is your duty to humanity to share this knowledge with those able to make
use of it. That is, with the leaders of the medical profession; none of
them are likely to see your postings here, nor are any readers in touch
with them.
>TO people .. interested people .. who have **no clue** they even
>exist / IE: no mention between pints ..
>
>Sooo .. just like I said ..
>
>Did you enjoy your Guiness there .. Andy ..
Hmmm. Yes, you did make a similar remark in another thread. In which
country are you domiciled?

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