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Systemic Oxidative Lupus Stress
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ironjustice@aol.com - 28 Oct 2007 20:47 GMT Free Radic Res. 2007 Oct 22;:1-12 Serum protein oxidation and apolipoprotein CIII levels in people with systemic lupus erythematosus with and without nephritis. Morgan PE, Sturgess AD, Hennessy A, Davies MJ. Free Radical GroupThe Heart Research Institute, Camperdown, Sydney, NSW, Australia.
Increased oxidative stress is a hallmark of the autoimmune disease systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE). This study compares serum protein oxidation levels in SLE patients without and with renal involvement (lupus nephritis); the latter have a significantly poorer prognosis. Similar increases in protein carbonyls and decreases in protein thiols were observed in both SLE groups compared to controls. Protein carbonyl distribution, determined by Western blotting of 2D gels, was similar in both SLE groups, suggesting factors other than oxidation also play a role in SLE complications. 2D electrophoresis examined the serum proteome further. Six proteins were significantly decreased in non-renal SLE patients compared to controls; five were identified by mass spectrometry, including one isoform of pro-atherogenic apoCIII. Total apoCIII levels (assessed by ELISA) in lupus nephritis patients were significantly elevated compared to controls or non-renal SLE patients. Thus, levels of oxidized proteins and apoCIII may be useful biomarkers in SLE studies.
PMID: 17957542 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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ferrous@paris.com - 28 Oct 2007 23:12 GMT Using india as an example, there is an inverse relationship between rate of lupis and iron status. The iron notion has been found not valid, it is refuted.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 00:10 GMT >> On Oct 28, 3:12 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: Using india as an example, there is an inverse relationship between rate of lupis and iron status. The iron notion has been found not valid, it is refuted. <<
How could that .. be .. ?
They have very high .. porphyrin .. levels ..
Very high porphyrin levels are a sign of iron overload ..
Sooo .. the people with .. lupus .. have high porphyrin levels .. consistent WITH iron overload .. IN .. a group of people found to HAVE a high proportion .. "unexpectedly higher iron levels of anyone" .. OF .. ?? .. iron .. ?
Soooo .. contrary to what you .. 'say' .. the evidence .. IE: high lupus / high porphyrin .. Indians / high iron ..
As opposed to YOU and your chldkllgpals .. "no porphyrins and no iron" ..
What did I say about you guys .. lying .. blatantly ... 17 percent of the time ..
Up to 17 percent of physicians who claim to be pediatricians are not board certified by ABP Public release date: 30-May-2007
Contact: Krista Hopson khop...@umich.edu 734-764-2220 University of Michigan Health System
Study: Who claims to be a pediatrician? Up to 17 percent of physicians who claim to be pediatricians are not board certified by ABP Ann Arbor, Mich. - How well do you know your child's pediatrician" Is he or she board certified in pediatrics, or has he or she ever completed specialty training in the field"
You're kinda like a one trick .. pony ..
Have you noticed .. that .. ?
And that trick is .. ?
Lying .. just like over 17 percent of the time .. was it .. ?
Of .. pediatricians ..
Those are doctors ..
I believe I've already explained to you the high rate of iron overload in the Asians .. your .. Indians ..
Oh .. look it is .. lupus .. again ..
What happens in .. lupus .. ?
And voila .. you are .. here ..
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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 01:12 GMT The example of india refutes iron as the source of lupis. The rate of lupis rate is high while the iron islow. It is the oppisite in europe.
It would be exactly oppisite of these patterns if iron is the cause of all disease because people eat meat notion. The lupis would go up as the iron goes up, it does not. Thus the iron notion is refuted.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 01:27 GMT >> On Oct 28, 5:12 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: lupis rate is high while the iron islow. << Your information is incorrect ..
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 02:55 GMT Early results of the largest and most diverse screening study of a genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.
Of those having the genetic disorder those involved were found ...
In other research results in the same study it was concluded that asians do not often have high iron. In india in particular those having diabetes had a lower iron level then those who did not. India with a low iron level overall has the world's highest rate of diabetes.
India also has a higher rate of lupis then in europe while also haveing a lower iron level.
This is the final set of nails in the iron causes all disease because people eat meat notion.
If it were accurate the results of above would be exactly oppisite.
The notion is refuted, dead as a dodo, ashes on the trash heap of quack notions.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 04:12 GMT >> On Oct 28, 6:55 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote:Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.<<
Who's on first .. ?
Your information is correct ..
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 16:11 GMT In your version you snip the starting sentence which clearly says the study is about those with a genetic disorder leading to iron overload. This makes your version a bald lie.
The iron notion is dead as a dodo, another contribution to the ash heap of quack notions.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 29 Oct 2007 19:32 GMT >> On Oct 29, 8:11 am, ferr...@paris.com wrote: In your version you snip the starting sentence which clearly says the study is about those with a genetic disorder leading to iron overload. <<
No actually .. you are incorrect ..
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 20:31 GMT Edited version:
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
Full version:
Early results of the largest and most diverse screening study of a genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.
It says clearly that it is a study of a genetic disorder.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 30 Oct 2007 00:42 GMT No actually .. you are incorrect ..
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
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ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 02:41 GMT http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/studien/bericht-43700.html
Early results of the large screening study of a genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.
When looking at other research results published in other articles from the same study we find:
Asians are unlikely to have high iron
In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties. India has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.
The iron notion is a dodo and commited to the trash heap of quack notions.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 30 Oct 2007 15:36 GMT On Oct 29, 6:41 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: Asians are unlikely to have high iron <<
"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical form of hemochromatosis,"
Now those researchers sayyyyy ..
You are incorrect ..
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
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> In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties. India > has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jesus ate a mediterranean diet. ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 20:29 GMT In contrast to the edited version mr. justice is posting, here is the full version from which the shorter version obviously was taken.
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/studien/bericht-43700.html
Early results of the large screening study of a genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.
When looking at other research results published in other articles from the same study we find:
Asians are unlikely to have high iron
In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties. India has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.
The iron notion is a dodo and commited to the trash heap of quack notions.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 30 Oct 2007 22:37 GMT These researchers sayyyyy ..
You are incorrect ..
"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical form of hemochromatosis,"
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
Who loves ya. Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 23:17 GMT "You are incorrect .."
Then explain this which is exactly the same as yours but with the original starting sentence in full:
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/studien/bericht-43700.html
Early results of the large screening study of a genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.
When looking at other research results published in other articles from the same study we find:
Asians are unlikely to have high iron
In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties. India has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.
The iron notion is a dodo and commited to the trash heap of quack notions.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 30 Oct 2007 23:32 GMT These researchers sayyyyy ..
You are incorrect ..
"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical form of hemochromatosis,"
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 23:49 GMT Smile, bloody hanging by fingernail desperation time now. Demanding one edited version over a fuller version because it serves your notion but in reality shows the oppisite. As used by you it is a lie of ommission.
Just another example of poor conceptual skills and lousy scholarship as the house of cards falls down around your ears.
Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 31 Oct 2007 02:18 GMT These researchers sayyyyy ..
You are incorrect ..
"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical form of hemochromatosis,"
"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.
Who loves ya. Tom
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 29 Oct 2007 07:15 GMT Journal of Pediatric Urology Case Report Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity Journal of Pediatric Urology Case Report Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity Journal of Pediatric Urology Case Report Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity Journal of Pediatric Urology Case Report Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity Journal of Pediatric Urology Case Report Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 13:57 GMT On Oct 28, 11:15 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Journal of Pediatric Urology Case Report Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity <<
Is this somehow .. relevant .. TO this .. thread .. ?
There is a lot of priapism in .. lupus .. ?
Actually .. the article isn't even .. **relevant** ..
Do you understand .. relevancy .. ?
Relevancy means .. **pertaining to** .. and the article doesn't PERTAIN to .. anything ..
The .. nonchalant .. **mentioning** .. OF .. polycythemia .. CAUSING .. priapism .. is the **relevant** .. part OF the pediatiric .. post ..
The actual story OF .. the little kid .. makes no matter .. because .. ? .. we are not talking about the .. **kid** we are talking about what the .. **researcher** himself .. **says** .. WHILE he works ON .. the kid.
Sort of like .. House .. when he stands in the gallery and watches the doctors operate. The doctors .. speak .. WHILE they .. operate .. and in THIS .. **specific** case the doctor .. **mentions** .. "everyone knows polycythemia is a common cause of priapism " .. while he laughingly gives the kids weiner a .. whack.
Laughing robustly .. I suppose .. when he does .. it ..
So you can keep trotting out an article which .. isn't actually .. relevant .. until the cows come home .. but you will NEVER make it actually .. pertain ..
You may think it is somehow connected .. priapism TO priapism .. but it was never .. **tested** ..
It was .. **mentioned** .. but the actual .. TREATMENTS .. were never .. mentioned ..
What WAS .. mentioned .. was the .. KNOWN .. causes .. and THAT is .. ? .. ? .. erythrocytosis / polycythemia .. "is known to cause priapism" ..
Sooo .. since you .. feel .. the article is SOOOO .. important .. means .. ?
You again .. don't KNOW your .. stuff.
Which leaves you no .. REAL .. reason .. to BE .. here ..
Unless you really enjoy acting and BEING a .. fool.
Hmmm .. that would explain it ..
Born a natural clown who became .. a .. nurse ..
Now who would have guessed the propensity to BE .. **naturally** .. a .. clown .. AND the drifting INTO .. a .. nursing .. career .. to BE .. **associated** ..
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Sooo .. in concluson ..
> Journal of Pediatric Urology > Case Report [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Case Report > Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
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