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ironjustice@aol.com - 28 Oct 2007 20:47 GMT
Free Radic Res. 2007 Oct 22;:1-12
Serum protein oxidation and apolipoprotein CIII levels in people with
systemic lupus erythematosus with and without nephritis.
Morgan PE, Sturgess AD, Hennessy A, Davies MJ.
Free Radical GroupThe Heart Research Institute, Camperdown, Sydney,
NSW, Australia.

Increased oxidative stress is a hallmark of the autoimmune disease
systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE). This study compares serum protein
oxidation levels in SLE patients without and with renal involvement
(lupus nephritis); the latter have a significantly poorer prognosis.
Similar increases in protein carbonyls and decreases in protein thiols
were observed in both SLE groups compared to controls. Protein
carbonyl distribution, determined by Western blotting of 2D gels, was
similar in both SLE groups, suggesting factors other than oxidation
also play a role in SLE complications. 2D electrophoresis examined the
serum proteome further. Six proteins were significantly decreased in
non-renal SLE patients compared to controls; five were identified by
mass spectrometry, including one isoform of pro-atherogenic apoCIII.
Total apoCIII levels (assessed by ELISA) in lupus nephritis patients
were significantly elevated compared to controls or non-renal SLE
patients. Thus, levels of oxidized proteins and apoCIII may be useful
biomarkers in SLE studies.

PMID: 17957542 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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ferrous@paris.com - 28 Oct 2007 23:12 GMT
Using india as an example, there is an inverse relationship between rate
of lupis and iron status.  The iron notion has been found not valid, it
is refuted.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 00:10 GMT
>> On Oct 28, 3:12 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote:
Using india as an example, there is an inverse relationship between
rate
of lupis and iron status.  The iron notion has been found not valid,
it
is refuted.
<<

How could that .. be .. ?

They have very high .. porphyrin .. levels ..

Very high porphyrin levels are a sign of iron overload ..

Sooo .. the people with .. lupus .. have high porphyrin levels ..
consistent WITH iron overload .. IN .. a group of people found to HAVE
a high proportion .. "unexpectedly higher iron levels of anyone" ..
OF .. ?? .. iron .. ?

Soooo .. contrary to what you .. 'say' .. the evidence .. IE: high
lupus / high porphyrin .. Indians / high iron ..

As opposed to YOU and your chldkllgpals .. "no porphyrins and no
iron" ..

What did I say about you guys .. lying .. blatantly ... 17 percent of
the time ..

Up to 17 percent of physicians who claim to be pediatricians are not
board certified by ABP Public release date: 30-May-2007

Contact: Krista Hopson
khop...@umich.edu
734-764-2220
University of Michigan Health System

Study: Who claims to be a pediatrician?
Up to 17 percent of physicians who claim to be pediatricians are not
board certified by ABP
Ann Arbor, Mich. - How well do you know your child's pediatrician" Is
he or she board certified in pediatrics, or has he or she ever
completed specialty training in the field"

You're kinda like a one trick .. pony ..

Have you noticed .. that .. ?

And that trick is .. ?

Lying .. just like over 17 percent of the time .. was it .. ?

Of .. pediatricians ..

Those are doctors ..

I believe I've already explained to you the high rate of iron overload
in the Asians .. your .. Indians ..

Oh .. look it is .. lupus .. again ..

What happens in .. lupus .. ?

And voila .. you are .. here ..

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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 01:12 GMT
The example of india refutes iron as the source of lupis.  The rate of
lupis rate is high while the iron islow.  It is the oppisite in europe.

It would be exactly oppisite of these patterns if iron is the cause of
all disease because people eat meat notion.  The lupis would go up as
the iron goes up, it does not.  Thus the iron notion is refuted.

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ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 01:27 GMT
>> On Oct 28, 5:12 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: lupis rate is high while the iron islow. <<

Your information is incorrect ..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 02:55 GMT
Early results of the largest and most diverse screening study of a
  genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body
  show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of
  iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African
  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Of those having the genetic disorder those involved were found ...

In other research results in the same study it was concluded that asians
do not often have high iron.  In india in particular those having
diabetes had a lower iron level then those who did not.  India with a
low iron level overall has the world's highest rate of diabetes.

India also has a higher rate of lupis then in europe while also haveing
a lower iron level.

This is the final set of nails in the iron causes all disease because
people eat meat notion.

If it were accurate the results of above would be exactly oppisite.

The notion is refuted, dead as a dodo, ashes on the trash heap of quack
notions.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 04:12 GMT
>> On Oct 28, 6:55 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote:Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African
Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.<<

Who's on first .. ?

Your information is correct ..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 16:11 GMT
In your version you snip the starting sentence which clearly says the
study is about those with a genetic disorder leading to iron overload.  
This makes your version a bald lie.

The iron notion is dead as a dodo, another contribution to the ash heap
of quack notions.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 29 Oct 2007 19:32 GMT
>> On Oct 29, 8:11 am, ferr...@paris.com wrote:
In your version you snip the starting sentence which clearly says the
study is about those with a genetic disorder leading to iron
overload.  <<

No actually .. you are incorrect ..

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Oct 2007 20:31 GMT
Edited version:

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

Full version:

  Early results of the largest and most diverse screening study of a
  genetic condition that causes too much iron to build up in the body
  show that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of
  iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including African
  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

It says clearly that it is a study of a genetic disorder.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 30 Oct 2007 00:42 GMT
No actually .. you are incorrect ..

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

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Tom

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http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 02:41 GMT
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/studien/bericht-43700.html

  Early results of the large screening study of a genetic condition
that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and
Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of
all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians,
Hispanics, and Native Americans.

When looking at other research results published in other articles from
the same study we find:

Asians are unlikely to have high iron

In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties.  India
has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.

The iron notion is a dodo and commited to the trash heap of quack
notions.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 30 Oct 2007 15:36 GMT
On Oct 29, 6:41 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: Asians are unlikely to
have high iron <<

"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is
surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the
particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical
form of hemochromatosis,"

Now those researchers sayyyyy ..

You are incorrect ..

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

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http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties.  India
> has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 20:29 GMT
In contrast to the edited version mr. justice is posting, here is the
full version from which the shorter version obviously was taken.

http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/studien/bericht-43700.html

  Early results of the large screening study of a genetic condition
that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and
Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of
all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians,
Hispanics, and Native Americans.

When looking at other research results published in other articles from
the same study we find:

Asians are unlikely to have high iron

In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties.  India
has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.

The iron notion is a dodo and commited to the trash heap of quack
notions.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice@aol.com - 30 Oct 2007 22:37 GMT
These researchers sayyyyy ..

You are incorrect ..

"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is
surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the
particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical
form of hemochromatosis,"

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

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ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 23:17 GMT
"You are incorrect .."

Then explain this which is exactly the same as yours but with the
original starting sentence in full:

http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/studien/bericht-43700.html

  Early results of the large screening study of a genetic condition
that causes too much iron to build up in the body show that Asians and
Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels of iron in their blood of
all ethnic groups involved, including African Americans, Caucasians,
Hispanics, and Native Americans.

When looking at other research results published in other articles from
the same study we find:

Asians are unlikely to have high iron

In india diabetics have lower iron then those without diabeties.  India
has the world's highest level of diabetes with a low iron leel.

The iron notion is a dodo and commited to the trash heap of quack
notions.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 30 Oct 2007 23:32 GMT
These researchers sayyyyy ..

You are incorrect ..

"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is
surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the
particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical
form of hemochromatosis,"

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

Who loves ya.
Tom

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http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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ferrous@paris.com - 30 Oct 2007 23:49 GMT
Smile, bloody hanging by fingernail desperation time now.  Demanding one
edited version over a fuller version because it serves your notion but
in reality shows the oppisite.  As used by you it is a lie of ommission.

    Just another example of poor conceptual skills and lousy
scholarship as the house of cards falls down around your ears.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 31 Oct 2007 02:18 GMT
These researchers sayyyyy ..

You are incorrect ..

"The finding that Asians have high levels of iron in the blood is
surprising because they also have the lowest prevalence of the
particular gene mutation that is found in Caucasians with the typical
form of hemochromatosis,"

"Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest mean levels
of iron in their blood of all ethnic groups involved, including
African  Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels

'Surprising' findings reported about iron overload
Asians, Pacific Islanders have highest blood iron levels
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - UAB and international scientists studying
iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected discovery that
Asians
and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels of iron in their blood
of
all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.

Who loves ya.
Tom

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http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 29 Oct 2007 07:15 GMT
Journal of Pediatric Urology
Case Report
Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
Journal of Pediatric Urology
Case Report
Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
Journal of Pediatric Urology
Case Report
Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
Journal of Pediatric Urology
Case Report
Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
Journal of Pediatric Urology
Case Report
Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2007 13:57 GMT
On Oct 28, 11:15 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Journal of Pediatric Urology
Case Report
Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity <<

Is this somehow .. relevant .. TO this .. thread .. ?

There is a lot of priapism in .. lupus .. ?

Actually .. the article isn't even .. **relevant** ..

Do you understand .. relevancy .. ?

Relevancy means .. **pertaining to** .. and the article doesn't
PERTAIN to .. anything ..

The .. nonchalant .. **mentioning** .. OF .. polycythemia ..
CAUSING .. priapism .. is the **relevant** .. part OF the
pediatiric .. post ..

The actual story OF .. the little kid .. makes no matter ..
because .. ? .. we are not talking about the .. **kid** we are talking
about what the .. **researcher** himself .. **says** .. WHILE he works
ON .. the kid.

Sort of like .. House .. when he stands in the gallery and watches the
doctors operate.
The doctors .. speak .. WHILE they .. operate .. and in THIS ..
**specific** case the doctor .. **mentions** .. "everyone knows
polycythemia is a common cause of priapism " .. while he laughingly
gives the kids weiner a .. whack.

Laughing robustly .. I suppose .. when he does .. it ..

So you can keep trotting out an article which .. isn't actually ..
relevant .. until the cows come home .. but you will NEVER make it
actually .. pertain ..

You may think it is somehow connected .. priapism TO priapism .. but
it was never .. **tested** ..

It was .. **mentioned** .. but the actual .. TREATMENTS .. were
never .. mentioned ..

What WAS .. mentioned .. was the .. KNOWN .. causes .. and THAT
is .. ? .. ? .. erythrocytosis / polycythemia .. "is known to cause
priapism" ..

Sooo .. since you .. feel .. the article is SOOOO .. important ..
means .. ?

You again .. don't KNOW your .. stuff.

Which leaves you no .. REAL .. reason .. to BE .. here ..

Unless you really enjoy acting and BEING a .. fool.

Hmmm .. that would explain it ..

Born a natural clown who became .. a .. nurse ..

Now who would have guessed the propensity to BE .. **naturally** ..
a .. clown .. AND the drifting INTO .. a .. nursing .. career .. to
BE .. **associated** ..

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Sooo .. in concluson ..
> Journal of Pediatric Urology
> Case Report
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Case Report
> Approach to newborn priapism: A rare entity
 
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