Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Lupus / August 2007
kidney biopsy
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Candi Bowen - 12 Jul 2007 22:29 GMT Anybody home?
Haven't posted in a while but I've been lurking. I need a kidney biopsy ASAP - can anyone give me some info on it? My dr's setting it up & I'm just sitting here waiting for the call. At 50, I thought I had somehow bypassed the kidney problems, but I'm spilling significant amounts of protein (albumin) just from a 'spot check' & my doc's ordering a biopsy, bypassing the 24-hour test to save time, she said. I've got other symptons too - 25+ pound weight gain in 3 years, very high BP, fluid retention, etc. I went to my doc nearly 2 years ago (a different one) with the same symptoms, & the nurse practitioner blew me off. She glanced at my hands & said it was Raynaud's. Well, excuse me, I've had Raynaud's for decades & yes, it does cause swelling, but not consistent & not over a 6 month period. I'm one of those that doesn't visit the doc unless I'm really scared. This witch didn't even do a urinalysis & now my new doc is kind of upset over it because she said any damage could have been possibly halted if the doctor-wannabe had only listened to me. Anyway, I'm really scared. Of the biopsy, & the results.
Candi
Sherry - 13 Jul 2007 01:36 GMT Candi, I;m so sorry that you are faced with having to deal with the possibility of damage to your kidney. I used to spill albumin when I was a teenager and whenever I have labs done I was look to see if I still do.
I have never had a biopsy but looked it up on the Kaiser website and have copied and pasted the info that they have for their pts who are having the test done.
Will add you to my prayers and I truly hope that the tests do not show anything and if it does that it is easily fixable!!!!!!
Hugs, Sherry
A kidney biopsy is done using a long thin needle put through the back (flank) into the kidney. This is called a percutaneous kidney biopsy. A tissue sample is taken and sent to a lab. It is looked at under a microscope. The sample can help your doctor see how healthy your kidney is and look for any problems.
A kidney biopsy is done to:
a.. Find kidney disease when there is blood or protein in the urine or when the kidneys are not working well. b.. Check kidney problems seen on an ultrasound or a CT scan. c.. Watch kidney disease and see if treatment is working. d.. See whether a transplanted kidney is working. How To Prepare Tell your doctor if you:
a.. Are taking any medicines. If you are taking aspirin, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDs, such as ibuprofen or naproxen), or blood thinners (such as Coumadin, heparin, or Plavix), your doctor may tell you to stop taking these medicines for several days before the biopsy. b.. Are allergic to any medicines, such as those used to numb the skin (anesthetics). c.. Have had bleeding problems or take blood thinners, such as aspirin or warfarin (Coumadin). d.. Are or might be pregnant. Do not eat or drink for 8 hours before the biopsy. You will empty your bladder before the biopsy.
Arrange to have someone take you home after the biopsy because you may be given a medicine (sedative) to help you relax.
You will have blood tests done before the kidney biopsy to see whether you have any bleeding problems or blood clotting disorders. You may also have an ultrasound test or CT scan of the kidney to show the best place in your kidney to put the biopsy needle.
For a kidney biopsy, you will be asked to sign a consent form. Talk to your health professional about any concerns you have regarding the need for the test, its risks, how it will be done, or what the results will mean. To help you understand the importance of this test, fill out the medical test information form (What is a PDF document?).
A kidney biopsy is done by a urologist, nephrologist, or a radiologist in a clinic or a hospital. A kidney biopsy is often done by a radiologist using ultrasound, fluoroscopy, a CT scan, or magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to help guide the biopsy needle.
You will need to take off all or most of your clothes. You will wear a gown. Before the biopsy, you may be given a sedative through an intravenous (IV) line in a vein in your arm. The sedative will help you relax and lie still during the biopsy.
You will be asked to lie facedown on an examination table. A sandbag, a firm pillow, or a rolled towel will be placed under your body to support your belly. It is very important that you follow your doctor's directions about breathing, holding your breath, and lying still while the biopsy is being done.
Your doctor will examine your back and may mark the biopsy site by making a slight dent in your skin with a pencil or tool. The biopsy may be done on either the right or the left kidney. The site will be cleaned with a special soap. Your doctor then gives you local anesthetic to numb the area where the biopsy needle will be inserted.
Your doctor puts the biopsy needle through the skin while looking at your kidney with ultrasound. You will be asked to hold your breath and stay very still while the needle is put into the kidney.
The needle is removed after the tissue sample is taken. Pressure is put on the biopsy site for several minutes to stop the bleeding. Then a bandage is put on the site. The biopsy takes 15 to 30 minutes.
After the biopsy, you will rest in bed for 6 to 24 hours. Your pulse, blood pressure, and temperature will be checked often after the biopsy.
If no problems develop, you can go home. To prevent bleeding at the biopsy site, lie flat on your back for the next 12 to 24 hours. You may eat your normal diet. Do not take aspirin or anti-inflammatory medicines for a week after the biopsy. You may do your regular activities, but do not do strenuous activities, such as heavy lifting, hard running, motorcycle riding, contact sports, or other activities that might jar or jolt your kidney, for 2 weeks after the biopsy. Also, drink more fluids so you will not be dehydrated.
How It Feels You may feel a brief sting or pinch when the numbing medicine is put in. When the biopsy needle is put in, you may feel a sharp pain for a few seconds.
It is normal to feel some muscle soreness in the area of the biopsy for 2 to 3 days after the biopsy. You may have a small amount of bleeding on the bandage after the biopsy. Talk to your doctor about how much pain and bleeding you can expect. Many people will have bright red blood in their urine for the first 24 hours after the biopsy; this is expected.
Risks There is a small chance for serious problems from a kidney biopsy, but they are rare.
a.. Bleeding into the muscle, which can cause soreness. b.. Bleeding into the kidney. c.. Infection of the skin at the biopsy site. d.. Pneumothorax (collapsed lung). e.. Puncturing a major blood vessel, which may need blood transfusions or surgery. This is very rare. After the biopsy After the biopsy, call911or other emergency services immediately if you develop:
a.. Signs of shock. b.. Severe pain in your chest, shoulder, or belly. c.. Moderate to severe difficulty breathing. After the biopsy, call your doctor immediately if you:
a.. Develop more pain in your back, belly, or groin. b.. Have too much bleeding or drainage (such as pus) from the biopsy site. c.. Have blood in your urine for longer than 24 hours after the biopsy. d.. Develop a fever. e.. Have weakness or lightheadedness when you change position, such as standing up from a sitting or lying position. Results A kidney biopsy is done by inserting a long needle through the back (flank) to remove a sample of kidney tissue. This is called a percutaneous kidney biopsy.
a.. Samples of kidney tissue are sent to a pathology lab, where they will be looked at under a microscope for kidney diseases, such as kidney cancer. b.. Other samples of kidney tissue may be sent to a microbiology lab to see whether an infection is present. Biopsy results are ready in 2 to 4 days. If tests are done to find infections, it may take several weeks for the results to be ready.
Kidney biopsy Normal: The structure and cells of the kidney look normal. There are no signs of inflammation, scar tissue, infection, or cancer.
Abnormal: The sample may show signs of scarring due to infection, poor blood flow, glomerulonephritis, a kidney infection (pyelonephritis), or signs of other diseases that affect the body, such as systemic lupus erythematosus.
Kidney tissue may show tumors that were not expected, such as Wilms' tumor (which occurs in early childhood) and renal cell cancer (which is most common after age 40).
What Affects the Test Reasons you may not be able to have the test or why the results may not be helpful include:
a.. Having an untreated bleeding or blood clotting disorder. b.. Not being able to lie still. c.. Having advanced kidney disease, uncontrolled high blood pressure, or only one kidney. d.. Being obese. e.. Having a severely deformed spine. f.. Having a urinary tract infection. There is a small chance that a cancer may be missed because the needle biopsy takes tissue from such a small area.
What To Think About a.. A kidney biopsy is done after other tests for kidney disease, such as blood and urine tests, ultrasound, and a CT scan), have not been able to tell what kind of kidney problem is present. A kidney biopsy has more chance for problems than these other tests and a high rate of false-negative results. More than one biopsy may be needed. For more information, see the medical tests Abdominal Ultrasound and CT Scan of the Body. b.. A kidney biopsy will not be done if kidney cancer is suspected. Surgery to remove the kidney will likely be recommended in this situation. c.. Open kidney biopsy and ureteroscopy are two other methods that may be used to take kidney tissue samples. You will stay overnight in the hospital for these biopsies. a.. An open kidney biopsy is a surgery done in an operating room while you are asleep (general anesthesia). A cut (incision) is made through the back or the side and a small piece of kidney tissue is taken out. Open biopsy is often done when a tumor is present. It may also be done when a person has only one working kidney, to lower the chance of injuring the good kidney. b.. Ureteroscopy with biopsy is often done if there is a mass in the renal pelvis or ureter. Ureteroscopy is a surgery done in an operating room under spinal or general anesthesia. A long thin flexible tube (ureteroscope) is used to look inside the ureter and lower part of the kidney (renal pelvis). Once the mass is found, a biopsy is done through the ureteroscope.
Candi Bowen - 13 Jul 2007 12:34 GMT Thanks so much Sherry. Reading about the biopsy turns my stomach. I have a friend several states away that's going thru dialysis 4 times & week & he reassured me that the biopsy isn't as bad as it sounds. I was more concerned about the lying flat on my back for 24 hours part because of my animals!
Have you heard how Bev's George is doing?
Candi
Sherry - 13 Jul 2007 16:52 GMT You are welcome. I think they make the tests sound worse so when you go through them you think well this wasn't so bad!
I have not personally heard from Bev for a couple of days/ The last news I have heard was what Cindy posted and it saying that George had been upgrade to 6? % chance of survial and that he was still critical but had improved.
Kat emailed yesterday and said that she had not heard from her that day yet. I sure that she is just soooo overwhelmed by everything and just hasn't had the time to update all of us. I wrote her sisters phone number down but seem to have lost the paper and deleted my email from David who first posted the news about George.
Hang in there Candi and know that you are in the thoughts and prayers of many on the group and let us know when the test is scheduled so we can be there with you in thought!
Hugs, Sherry Veritas vos Liberabit-Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis
> Thanks so much Sherry. Reading about the biopsy turns my stomach. I have a > friend several states away that's going thru dialysis 4 times & week & he [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Candi Steveo - 17 Jul 2007 15:58 GMT Well I am sure you have already had this done and I am sorry I am late with a reply, I have been very busy and not able to get on the board. I have had 7 Kidney biopsies and the first was the hardest, the second hurt the most and the rest were well............... they just happened. I will admit that it is not great but if you had to electively have something done this one is not nearly as bad as you expect it to be. I hope yours went well and that you are doing well. I my self have lost 50% of my kidneys and it does require you to adjust your diet a little but all in all it is not bad.
Candi Bowen - 19 Jul 2007 12:25 GMT Thank you, I had it done yesterday morning (Weds). It wasn't as bad as I had anticipated, although not a picnic. This morning, however, I feel like I've been beaten around the torso with a ball bat. I rescue animals, horses, chicken (yes, plural & she's VERY spoiled - what a personality!), cats, dogs, mice, whoever needs rescued pretty much. So I've got lots of people helping out with their care just for the few days I can't lift anything. Hmmm, I could maybe get used to this princess treatment. The results aren't in yet, but the ultrasound showed a significant kidney infarction?? From what I've managed to find so far about that, it's not the greatest of news. Thanks for your info, Steveo.
> Well I am sure you have already had this done and I am sorry I am late > with a reply, I have been very busy and not able to get on the board. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I my self have lost 50% of my kidneys and it does require you to > adjust your diet a little but all in all it is not bad. Steveo - 07 Aug 2007 03:32 GMT Glad to see you had no complications. I remember the day after. I understand it does not feel to good. My second one had me walking like a very very elderly person for a week, I am 34 so you see this looked pretty funny. Again I glad to hear it was as bad as you thought. So you had an ultrasound guide the biopsy? MY biopsy was done in a CAT scan tube. Nice feeling of the needle wiggling in and out when the table was moving. -Steve
Candi Bowen - 20 Aug 2007 21:34 GMT Hi Steve, thanks. The biopsy results showed stage 2 lupus nephritis but they're more concerned about the area of necrotic tissue & I'm still waiting for a nephrologist appt. . . .
Candi
> Glad to see you had no complications. I remember the day after. I > understand it does not feel to good. My second one had me walking [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > out when the table was moving. > -Steve
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