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janers - 10 May 2007 14:03 GMT Ok, got question for all you smarty pants LOL :)
The new energy efficient bulbs we should use in our lamps at home are money saving. MY question is, are these bulbs harmful to those of us that have problem with florecent light? I realize they are only 4 watt and we were going to buy some, then noticed that FLUORESCENT on the package.
What do you think? I am talking about the end table lights that usually have to read by aside your recliners, while watching tv!
I have flurorescent bulbs in my bath rooms and kitchen but they are covered with large plastic covers and I have never had trouble. Although I am very sun sensitive.
Ok, who has some answers on UVA or UVB hazards in light bulbs!!
thanks much and good morning janers
William R Thompson - 10 May 2007 14:39 GMT > Ok, got question for all you smarty pants LOL :) Smart pants? Isn't that what you get when Hugh Hefner enters the field of AI?
> The new energy efficient bulbs we should use in our lamps at home are > money > saving. MY question is, are these bulbs harmful to those of us that have > problem with florecent light? I realize they are only 4 watt and we were > going to buy some, then noticed that FLUORESCENT on the package. Do you have the brand name? I've found one site
http://members.misty.com/don/uvbulb.html
which says 4 watt fluorescent bulbs will produce a lot of UV, but I can't tell if this is the sort of bulb you mean.
--Bill Thompson
janers - 10 May 2007 14:46 GMT OK FOLKS> I contacted the LFA and here is there answer. NO Energy lights for me!!! I answered my own question. OPPS!!!
Thank you for your inquiry.
The UV emission from Fluorescent lighting has been known to produce flares in lupus patients that are sensitive to it. Very few studies have been done on this however. It is recommended that if you are sensitive to UV lighting that you avoid fluorescent lighting in your house hold or get covers for the lighting. This is easier for the tubes than the bulbs.
The next issue of the lupus now magazine is doing a piece on this in the Ask the Expert section. So keep a look out for that issue.
There is no difference in the UVA emission of the CFL and the old tubes lights. If you are sensitive to them you should replace them with the halogen bulbs or try to find a cover for them.
Dawn E Isherwood RN Health Educator Lupus Foundation of America, Inc. 2000 L Street, N.W., Suite 710 Washington, DC 20036 Email: Isherwood@lupus.org Direct Dial: (202) 349-1151 Fax: (202) 349-1156
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KCat - 11 May 2007 15:23 GMT > OK FOLKS> I contacted the LFA and here is there answer. NO Energy lights > for me!!! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > house hold or get covers for the lighting. This is easier for the tubes > than the bulbs. my rheumy's waiting room is covered with those energy efficient bulbs. Most of the time these days I have to wait only a few minutes to see her. But early on I would be out there for 30 mins and by the time I got back to the exam room (covered tube fluorescents) my temp would have gone from my normal (97.3 or so) to achy level (99 or greater.) If I sit in the exam room too long, even though they're covered, i tend to worsen. By the time I leave, I'm exhausted. Some of that is emotional I'm sure because we go over everything. I was very happy when I saw that our new house didn't have fluorescent lights in the kitchen. Saving energy and cost is great, but saving my day and my sanity is a bit more of a priority, IMO.
We have them in our closets but how often does one go sit or stand in their closet? Unless you're a shoe addict - then I can't help you. :)
Linda - 11 May 2007 15:32 GMT I see that someone else has the same trouble as I do when going to the dr and the lights.
This new dr I went too (Not a rummie, pc dr for my bp) said that I was nuts..that those light don't hurt you cause there cover...that is when my hubby just in and said ...Now are you in her body...well then you don't know what brother her and what don't. So don't tell her she is nuts.
I don't have any of those kind of lights in the house, but for me if I sit under any kind of light bubls I get sick...we sit around the house with white xmas lights on and when I sit down to eat I have to wear a hat and long sleeve if we have to turn on the over head light.
The sun now that another story I am so bad with the sun that we put sunscreen film on all of the widow and we found sunscreen screen and put them on all the widow...make it kind of dark in here but at least I can have my curtin open to see out side. Help with the heat in the house too.
Oh I wrote a book sorry...
Linda
KCat - 13 May 2007 01:30 GMT > I see that someone else has the same trouble as I do when going to the > dr and the lights. > > This new dr I went too (Not a rummie, pc dr for my bp) said that I was > nuts..that those light don't hurt you cause there cover...that is when Hi Linda.
Yeah - that's bull! I had a friend who started out like I did with this d*** disease. Very "mild" symptoms. Fatigue, joint pain, a few rashes. She worked for the USPS. Within about 3 years she was extremely ill with CNS lupus and bless her heart I don't know where she's at with the disease except that she was having a lot of trouble with treatment.
Anwyay - we held our monthy support group meetings at the nearest hospital and the room had *covered* fluorescent lighting. I was always exhausted when I left but I assumed it was the emotions of the meetings. Some of it probably was. She would come in looking normal. By the end of the meeting her face and neck would be beet red from sitting under those lights. Those covers just do not completely block the UVA and the UVA is the one that gives us the most problem. UVB is what does the overt damage (sunburn) but UVA is sneaky stuff and it is a lupie's biggest enemy because it's very hard to block. Sunblocks are not even required to evaluate how much UVA they block. When you see an SPF, that is in terms of the UVB blockage. So you can't be positive about how much UVA is being blocked.
I have had some problems with incandescent lighting as well. I get a sunburned" feeling if I'm under a strong lamp for too long. And you can forget halogen lights - those can literally sunburn you and give off a great deal of infra-red (heat) light.
For me the best thing I've found is to use 40 watt or less incandescents if I have to have a bedside lamp but preferably - LEDs. Unfortunately, LED lamps are very expensive so I've yet to spend the money on one. They give off no infrared or UV and stay cool. They're not practical for lighting a room obviously because the "light pool" is quite small. But they're good for desk lamps if you can find them for a decent price.
For a while I had problems with computer monitors but that was in the early and mid 90s. New monitors give off much less UV and an LCD monitor is obviously better. That's what I use now on my 'net PC. My work PC is still a CRT and I do have to take breaks from it. The UV output is very small but I am like you in that I am extremely sensitive.
so - ignore that doc on this one. There are so many that think that because it's not in the books or because it only happens to a small percentage of patients, it's not real. They're wrong.
KCat
Andy - 11 May 2007 16:22 GMT [
>We have them in our closets but how often does one go sit or stand in >their closet? Unless you're a shoe addict - then I can't help you. :) Where do you keep the pens?
 Signature Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group] See http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk for more!
Sherry - 11 May 2007 18:11 GMT > [ >> >>We have them in our closets but how often does one go sit or stand in >>their closet? Unless you're a shoe addict - then I can't help you. :) >> > Where do you keep the pens? obviously not in the closet!
KCat - 13 May 2007 01:18 GMT > In article <1178893423.469067.66...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, KCat > <kca...@gmail.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group] > Seehttp://www.northeastlupus.org.ukfor more! Hmph! Thanks Andy and Sherry!
The pens have their own room! Well, half a room. My "craft room" is devoted to stitching and pens. I have an old cabinet and hutch from my grandmother and the cabinet part is full to the brim with ink, pen parts, pen repair supplies, more ink, calligraphy pens, etc. The tall bookcase (that I want to replace someday) is crammed (no exaggeration) with paper. Notepads, journals, looseleaf, paper for artsy stuff, more noteapds and more journals. And I actually ordered more notepads Thursday. Just 3. :) I keep a stock of Black n' Red notebooks for my journals. A4 size. I do a lot of journal writing. :) On my craft table is a cutting pad, a small box containing tiny bottles of my most- used inks, a lovely paperweight from hubby, and reference books (style books, dictionary,etc.) But mostly when I sit at that desk I am refilling pens. :)
KCat
Ruth Tay - 11 May 2007 21:51 GMT Hi Janers........ We thought halogen lights were harmful so we are avoiding. We are stocking up on carbon based lights. As it is I do not go outside except after the sun sets from now until November. Every time I do its flare time. Last trip was to Santa Rosa 2 1/2 hours one way in a window treated car and lying down in the back seat and have had a flare for last six weeks. It may be breaking the law not to use the fluorescent lighting but that is another law that can not be used universally. Thanks to you and the whole group for all the information ruth
> OK FOLKS> I contacted the LFA and here is there answer. NO Energy lights > for me!!! [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > limited to implied or express warranties of merchantability or fitness > for any particular usage, application or process. William R Thompson - 12 May 2007 07:07 GMT > Hi Janers........ We thought halogen lights were harmful so we are > avoiding. We are stocking up on carbon based lights. Instead of stocking up on incandescent bulbs, why not bite the bullet and go in for LED bulbs? You'll spend about the same money and you won't have the problem of stockpiling a huge amount of bulbs (not to mention what happens if you have an accident with all those stored bulbs).
Some of the LED bulbs are supposed to be about as good as incandescent bulbs. I haven't found anything which says that they produce UV light, and in theory their output should be visible light. The 150-LED bulbs are supposed to be as good as a 70 watt incandescent bulb. Other bulbs are good as reading lamps, spotlights and night lights. I don't know if they're available in local hardware stores, but I googled "LED" and "bulb" and came up with a lot of sites which sell them.
This site has a brief introduction to LED bulbs, along with an assortment of bulbs and a $50 sample pack:
http://www.donsgreenstore.com/
Here are some more places to look for LED bulbs:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/08/150-led-bulb-uses-9w-costs-65/
http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx
http://www.theledlight.com/120-VAC-LEDbulbs.html
http://www.thinkgeek.com/clearance/7aa8/
http://www.x-tremegeek.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11880&ta=detail_ img&pi=Y&st=3
http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=14026&sk=MC51419
--Bill Thompson
KCat - 13 May 2007 01:32 GMT On May 12, 1:07 am, "William R Thompson" <wrtho...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Hi Janers........ We thought halogen lights were harmful so we are > > avoiding. We are stocking up on carbon based lights. > > Instead of stocking up on incandescent bulbs, why not bite the > bullet and go in for LED bulbs? (snipped great info)
> --Bill Thompson oops - I should have read ahead. Thanks for the great info, Bill. I hadn't done a search in a long time. Looks like a lot more LED stuff on the market than as little as a year ago.
Nicole - 17 May 2007 15:52 GMT I haven't had any problems and I have 'em thru out my house. In fact, I love them because they don't produce heat unlike the regular light bulb. I used to push the lamp by my bed away from me since it was so hot.... and now I don't have to.
The price has really come down and many more shapes are available too. Hope they work for you! Nicole
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> Ok, got question for all you smarty pants LOL :) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > thanks much and good morning > janers
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