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Can Lupus cause Bipolar Syndrome?

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Jason Johnson - 17 Sep 2006 05:01 GMT
I have a neighbor and she is my best friend. She has had Lupus for about 2
years and now takes 7 different medications each day. I worked with
patients that had Bipolar Syndrome and other medical problems before I
retired. It appears to me that my neighbor either has Bipolar Syndrome or
Addison's Disease. She takes at least one medication that can cause the
adrenals to shut down. I believe that the medication is called Prednisone
(spelling??). I don't know if she has Bipolar Syndrome or Addison's
disease. She has lost most of her friends and many of the other neighbors
now never visit her. The main reason is because she loses her temper and
starts yelling at people that make her upset. When I visit her, I have to
"walk on eye shells" so as not to make her upset.
Does anyone know the meaning of this term: "adrenal cascade"? If so, how
does an adrenal cascade differ from a "manic episode"?

Thanks in advance,
Jason
blades49456 - 17 Sep 2006 12:51 GMT
Jason, your neighbor is responding normally to taking prednisone and
having a major systemic illness.

Virtually everyone who is on prednisone (above 5 mg/day) has
irritability, sleeplessness, mood swings, and a host of other problems.
 Lupus along is bad enough. Additionally, use of prednisone often
requires other medications and methods to counter the side effects of
the prednisone, and those add their own side effects to the ones due to
prednisone.

Perhaps your friend is not being treated appropriately for her lupus.
She should get a second opinion from a major medical center that
specializes in lupus and related autoimmune diseases.

There has been some advances in lupus treatment:  Rituximab, and perhaps
 Humira or perhaps Enbrel.  For severe cases, a high risk solution can
be stem cell transplant.

Here's some info on prednisone use long term for dosages about 5 mg/day:

    *  Many body changes occur when one is on prednisone for any
    extended time.

          o Some changes are temporary; some are permanent.

          o Typical and common body changes that aren't very serious in
       themselves or can be treated effectively are:

                + acne, appetite increase, arthralgia, cataracts,
         constipation, Cushing's syndrome (swollen face,
         upper back hump), fluid retention, euphoria,
         hyperactivity, impaired wound healing, insomnia,
         muscle pain (myalgia), myopathies (muscle wasting
         and weakness), Petechiae (minute hemorrhages into
         the skin), psychological dependence, shakiness,
         skin atrophy, yeast infection (thrush), weight gain.

                + Some can be countered by medications, exercise,
         and life style changes.

          o Some bodily changes that are more serious and require
       medical attentions are:
                + Adrenal insufficiency, avascular necrosis (death
         of tissue, often bone, due to capillary damage),
         depletion (of calcium, magnesium,  nitrogen,
         potassium, protein), increase eye pressure
         (predisposes to glaucoma), peptic ulcers,
         steroid-induced diabetes, steroid-induced
         osteoporosis, stunted growth in children,
         tooth erosion.

What your friend needs from you and others is the understanding that she
no longer has complete control of her mental state nor her life, and
that she needs tolerance and support, not criticism and isolation.  Her
energy levels are probably limited to the point where every little daily
activity is an intolerable burden.

This is when she needs a true friend, not just those who wanted her
friendship when she was well.

Your friend almost certainly needs an anti-depressant and a sleep aid
and I hope she's on those now.  Those on prednisone need to take a
multivitamin/mineral supplement, calcium supplement (1200-1500 mg/day),
extra vitamin D (400-800 units/day) and perhaps magnesium supplement,
and also a biphosphonate such as Fosamax to help prevent bone loss or
parathyroid hormone if biphosphonates can't be tolerated.

The above information I believe to be correct, however, I have NO
medical training and so nothing I say should be taken to be medical
advice, nor as necessarily correct, nor as applicable to any specific
persons.

For information on adrenal malfunctioning, see
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm#10

Best wishes for your relationship with your friend.

> I have a neighbor and she is my best friend. She has had Lupus for about 2
> years and now takes 7 different medications each day. I worked with
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Jason
Jason Johnson - 17 Sep 2006 19:25 GMT
Jason, your neighbor is responding normally to taking prednisone and
having a major systemic illness.

Virtually everyone who is on prednisone (above 5 mg/day) has
irritability, sleeplessness, mood swings, and a host of other problems.
  Lupus along is bad enough. Additionally, use of prednisone often
requires other medications and methods to counter the side effects of
the prednisone, and those add their own side effects to the ones due to
prednisone.

Perhaps your friend is not being treated appropriately for her lupus.
She should get a second opinion from a major medical center that
specializes in lupus and related autoimmune diseases.

There has been some advances in lupus treatment:  Rituximab, and perhaps
  Humira or perhaps Enbrel.  For severe cases, a high risk solution can
be stem cell transplant.

Here's some info on prednisone use long term for dosages about 5 mg/day:

     *  Many body changes occur when one is on prednisone for any
        extended time.

           o Some changes are temporary; some are permanent.

           o Typical and common body changes that aren't very serious in
            themselves or can be treated effectively are:

                 + acne, appetite increase, arthralgia, cataracts,
                  constipation, Cushing's syndrome (swollen face,
                  upper back hump), fluid retention, euphoria,
                  hyperactivity, impaired wound healing, insomnia,
                  muscle pain (myalgia), myopathies (muscle wasting
                  and weakness), Petechiae (minute hemorrhages into
                  the skin), psychological dependence, shakiness,
                  skin atrophy, yeast infection (thrush), weight gain.

                 + Some can be countered by medications, exercise,
                  and life style changes.

           o Some bodily changes that are more serious and require
            medical attentions are:
                 + Adrenal insufficiency, avascular necrosis (death
                  of tissue, often bone, due to capillary damage),
                  depletion (of calcium, magnesium,  nitrogen,
                  potassium, protein), increase eye pressure
                  (predisposes to glaucoma), peptic ulcers,
                  steroid-induced diabetes, steroid-induced
                  osteoporosis, stunted growth in children,
                  tooth erosion.

What your friend needs from you and others is the understanding that she
no longer has complete control of her mental state nor her life, and
that she needs tolerance and support, not criticism and isolation.  Her
energy levels are probably limited to the point where every little daily
activity is an intolerable burden.

This is when she needs a true friend, not just those who wanted her
friendship when she was well.

Your friend almost certainly needs an anti-depressant and a sleep aid
and I hope she's on those now.  Those on prednisone need to take a
multivitamin/mineral supplement, calcium supplement (1200-1500 mg/day),
extra vitamin D (400-800 units/day) and perhaps magnesium supplement,
and also a biphosphonate such as Fosamax to help prevent bone loss or
parathyroid hormone if biphosphonates can't be tolerated.

The above information I believe to be correct, however, I have NO
medical training and so nothing I say should be taken to be medical
advice, nor as necessarily correct, nor as applicable to any specific
persons.

For information on adrenal malfunctioning, see
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm#10

Best wishes for your relationship with your friend.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,
Thanks for your post. I suspected that prednisone was the cause of the
side effects (such as mood swings). Her weight is about 300 pounds and she
is NOT taking any vit., minerals or herbs. It's impossible for me to
discuss medical issues with her since it causes a mood swing to kick in. I
will continue to offer my support and encouragement. I read an excellent
book related to
adrenal problems and one of the cases discussed in the book made me realize
that my neighbor may have Addison's Disease or Cushing's Disease.
"Adrenal Fatique" by James L. Wilson, N.D., D.C., Ph.D

Thanks again,
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maggie - 17 Sep 2006 20:54 GMT
Hi Jason,

Bless your heart for caring enough about your neighbor to try and
understand what she's going through.  Is there any way you could get
her to post here?  Does she have internet access?  There are things we
could tell her that would allow you to continue being her supportive
friend without giving her advice.  And maybe she could see that she's
not alone in her illness.  

Maggie
Jason Johnson - 17 Sep 2006 22:06 GMT
Hi Jason,

Bless your heart for caring enough about your neighbor to try and
understand what she's going through.  Is there any way you could get
her to post here?  Does she have internet access?  There are things we
could tell her that would allow you to continue being her supportive
friend without giving her advice.  And maybe she could see that she's
not alone in her illness.  

Maggie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie,
That is great advice. She does have a computer and is on line. She has
done lots of research (on line) related to Lupus. I told her about
newsgroups and she does not want to take the time and effort related to
learning how to make use of newsgroups. One of the problems is that she
now believes that she is an expert on Lupus and as a result gets really
upset and has a mood change when I give her articles or posts related to
Lupus. I no longer provide her with books, articles or items that I
downloaded since I don't want to upset her or cause her to have another
mood change. When she gets upset with me, she starts yelling and  telling
me how stupid I am. As a result, I no longer discuss important issues with
her. She even believes that she knows more about Lupus than her doctor.
I only discuss things with her that I know will not upset her. I call it
"walking on egg shells". Her remaining friends do the same thing. Many of
her friends and neighbors now avoid visiting her or talking to her. They
are afraid that they might break one of the egg shells and cause her to
start yelling at them and telling them how stupid and worthless they are.
I will stand by her and provide her with support. She is my next door
neighbor. It's incredible that one medication can cause the adrenals to
shut down and cause such terrible side effects (mood swings).
Jason

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Maggie - 18 Sep 2006 03:02 GMT
Hi Jason,

I would imagine that she's having some emotional problems dealing with
her disease and the prednisone only makes it worse.  A friend like you
is rare, considering many people who have this disease can't even get
their own family to stick by them.  If the subject ever does come up,
maybe you could let her know that a group such as this could use her
expertise in all she's learned about the disease.  That may at least
get her here.  She may have a problem asking for help or maybe she's in
denial to a certain point.  You just never know & as you said, it's
probably best to just be a friend right now.

And you're welcome to post here anytime as her friend, just the same.

Maggie
Jason Johnson - 18 Sep 2006 20:11 GMT
Hi Jason,

I would imagine that she's having some emotional problems dealing with
her disease and the prednisone only makes it worse.  A friend like you
is rare, considering many people who have this disease can't even get
their own family to stick by them.  If the subject ever does come up,
maybe you could let her know that a group such as this could use her
expertise in all she's learned about the disease.  That may at least
get her here.  She may have a problem asking for help or maybe she's in
denial to a certain point.  You just never know & as you said, it's
probably best to just be a friend right now.

And you're welcome to post here anytime as her friend, just the same.


Maggie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie,
I will consider taking your advice. It's difficult to talk to her about
serious subjects since it causes her to start yelling at me. I like your
attitude.
May God bless you. You are a wonderful person.
Jason
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Crystal - 13 Nov 2006 03:09 GMT
Jason- no, Lupus cannot cause Bipolar Disorder.  Bipolar I and II disorders
are genetically passed in families.  It can skip generations, but almost
everyone can track it back.  A Bipolar Manic episode will have symptoms of:
little to no sleep- this can last for days; heightened creativity;
grandiosity; much stamina/energy;  excess spending/sex/eating, etc. (These
cycles could last for days or hours)  This manic episode will be followed by
a period of depression, hence the "bipolar" or "extreme polar" mood swings.
Now, if she did happen to have Bipolar Disorder, it could be being effected
by whatever meds- either herbal or prescription- that she is taking for
Lupus.  And, if she is having a relapse, of either, I would think it could
have the potential to make her extra testy- but no, she could not get
bipolar disorder from lupus. Crystal Gray

> I have a neighbor and she is my best friend. She has had Lupus for about 2
> years and now takes 7 different medications each day. I worked with
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Jason
Jason Johnson - 14 Nov 2006 03:05 GMT
Jason- no, Lupus cannot cause Bipolar Disorder.  Bipolar I and II disorders
are genetically passed in families.  It can skip generations, but almost
everyone can track it back.  A Bipolar Manic episode will have symptoms of:
little to no sleep- this can last for days; heightened creativity;
grandiosity; much stamina/energy;  excess spending/sex/eating, etc. (These
cycles could last for days or hours)  This manic episode will be followed by
a period of depression, hence the "bipolar" or "extreme polar" mood swings.
Now, if she did happen to have Bipolar Disorder, it could be being effected
by whatever meds- either herbal or prescription- that she is taking for
Lupus.  And, if she is having a relapse, of either, I would think it could
have the potential to make her extra testy- but no, she could not get
bipolar disorder from lupus. Crystal Gray

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Crystal,
Thanks. Someone else told me that my friend that lives next door is
probably having mood swings as a result of taking a medication. I seem to
recall that the medication was Prednisone.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ruth Tay - 14 Nov 2006 04:40 GMT
In article
<jason-1311061905020001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,

Hi Jason......... Prednisone is only used by most Dr's  as a last resort
because it can cause  depression  and hyper activity.  Have had lupus
for 25 years and a year ago a flare occured and reluctantly was put
on prednisone again.  Still fighting to get off the darned stuff.  Have
a couple of friends left thank goodness  but have turned into a hermit
So glad you are trying to help your friend.  You are a rare jewel
ruth

>  Jason- no, Lupus cannot cause Bipolar Disorder.  Bipolar I and II disorders
>  are genetically passed in families.  It can skip generations, but almost
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jason Johnson - 14 Nov 2006 18:01 GMT
In article
<jason-1311061905020001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
 jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:

Hi Jason......... Prednisone is only used by most Dr's  as a last resort
because it can cause  depression  and hyper activity.  Have had lupus
for 25 years and a year ago a flare occured and reluctantly was put
on prednisone again.  Still fighting to get off the darned stuff.  Have
a couple of friends left thank goodness  but have turned into a hermit
So glad you are trying to help your friend.  You are a rare jewel
ruth


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ruth,
Thanks for the compliment. My neighbor has had depression problems for the
last 15 years and takes medication to treat it. The prednisone side
effects has made it almost impossible to be her friend. I will continue to
be her best friend. You do have friends in this newsgroup. I hope there is
a Lupus support group in your town. If so, you should consider becoming a
member. I am trying to get my neighbor to become a member of a local Lupus
support group. May God bless you.
Jason
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