I'm curious about how discoid lupus is truly diagnosed.
Over the past 7 weeks or so I started to develop 4 to 6 flat, brown,
round or semi-oval spots on my face. The spots are about 1/4"-3/8" in
diameter. Only one itches periodically.
I went to my dermatologist about 10 days ago and she did a biopsy. She
received the biopsy results a few days ago and told me that I had
discoid lupus. I am being sent for some antinuke blood tests this
week.
Here's my concern and uneasiness with this dx: I have no other lupus
symptoms. I am not overweight, my cholesterol level is low, no joint
paint, no seizures, no fatigue, no fever, no oral ulcers, blood sugar
and urine are fine, blood pressure is good, good CRP results, etc.,
etc. In fact, I just purchased a very large life insurance policy and
had a very complete physical and blood and urine analyses performed in
April. All test results were perfect.
I work out at the gym strenuously 5x a week. I am very physically fit
and do not get sick very often. I do not have a stressful job. I do not
smoke nor do I consume alcohol excessively. I do not sunbathe (although
as a teen 40 years ago, I did use a sunlamp quite a bit and did get
burns), nor do I have an outdoors job. I have had 2 minor surgeries in
the past 10 months: one to correct sleep apnea last December and one to
remove a vein from my calf (cosmetic).
I do spend quite a bit of time in front of 3 computer screens (LCD
type).
Would appreciate any thoughts and help.
Thanx.
Bob
Andy - 07 Aug 2006 09:17 GMT
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Shelagh - 07 Aug 2006 17:27 GMT
Sounds like discoid lupus or DLE, without the complications of systemic lupus SLE or subacute cutaneous lupus SCLE.
discoid describes the shape of the skin lesions
lupus is the autoimmune illness/disease that causes them
erythematosus is defined as 'redness in coloration of lesions'
Diagnosis: an uncomplicated case of discoid lupus;
You are very fortunate as it is generally easily managed!
I have info on my website http://clik.to/lupus
under 'discoid' and 'skin' and 'diagnosis' if you look down the directory of pages of info on lupus from dx to treatment.
..... and good luck to you!
hugs, from Shelagh
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> I'm curious about how discoid lupus is truly diagnosed.
> Over the past 7 weeks or so I started to develop 4 to 6 flat, brown,
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> discoid lupus. I am being sent for some antinuke blood tests this
> week.
janers - 07 Aug 2006 23:02 GMT
Well first off welcome and sorry you even have to be here.
A few answers to your questions. YES a definate diagnosis is made through
biopsy and since you have had that done, most likely that is it.
There is no definate symptoms of lupus for EACH of us are very different.
That means NOT all of us are "heavy but some of us are :) and usually due to
the drugs we take to control the lupus. Such as cortisone as the Main
culprit .....
Just because you don' t have the fever, chills, oral ulcers and etc...etc...
you mentioned just means you may not have progressed right now.Whether you
will or will not will depend on your body and how your tests turn out.
Some of us are sun sensitive, some not. some of us are athletic some of us
are not. That just means DIFFERENT. We all are. Even if you are
physically fit you may have the discoid and not anything else. But if you
read more about discoid you will find that so much percent of discoid
patients will move up or progress to a systemic kind.
computer screens? Naw, don't believe in a lot of carbage you read.
go to ligit sites like www.lupus.org and see and read. There are plenty
reliable information out there and that site is one of the best. Others will
give you more.
just remember one thing, Even if you have discoid, it doesn't mean you will
progress.
Glad to hear your tests are good and "perfect", just keep tabs of that skin
problem and keep on with the treatment of it.
good luck Bob
janers
Mair - 08 Aug 2006 02:45 GMT
Hi, Bob
Let me first say that I am not a pathologist, but I did work for a pathology
group, and I also had a biopsy of my own, which was positive for Sjogren's
Syndrome, another of the veritable smorgasbord of autoimmune illnesses that
are recognised these days.
In my case, I was demonstrating symptoms of the disease--dry eyes for which
I had to stop wearing contact lenses, dry nose and mouth, etc. As I said,
there are antibody tests specifically for Sjogren's Syndrome: they are
called "Anti-Ra and Anti-Lo" by some testers, and "Anti SS-A and Anti SS-B)
by others. I was tested for these antibodies several times--the antibodies
were not detected in my blood.
My doc was still suspicious, however, and so he had me sent for a tissue
biopsy. The biopsy came back positive, and I was diagnosed with Sjogren's
Syndrome regardless of the fact that I don't have antibodies, or I have some
other kinds of antibodies that do not turn the test positive. [I worked for
years in a medical lab as well. A lot of people don't realize that lab
tests are specific to certain substances, and that a test has to be made to
detect certain elements in the blood. We lab techs DO NOT take your sample
to the basement and pour it into a huge machine that then tells the entire
composition of your blood. that would be nice (it would also be illegal)...
but I am starting to ramble here.
Since I understand laboratory science pretty well, I asked my doc what it
was that made the tissue sample "positive." He said that tissue (which is a
little lab of meat on a glass slide, okay?) showed that the gland was being
infiltrated by white blood cells. White blood cells are there to defend our
bodies against foreign substances. They should not be saying to themselves
"oh look! there's Mary's salivary gland! Let's go attack it, since things
have been rather slow." The invasion or infiltration of the white cells...
that is the very definition of "auto" "immunity." The "clinical evidence"
(meaning the symptoms you display--in your case the little round lesions),
plus the positive blood tests and/or biopsies are how a definitive diagnosis
is made.
If someone out there can add more to this, or correct any misunderstanding
that I have, please speak up! I just wrote this letter off the top of my
head (so to speak) from my own personal experience.
The very best to you, Bob, and I'm keeping the good thought for your
upcoming blood tests,
Mair
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> Bob
Mair - 08 Aug 2006 04:04 GMT
Correcting my typo!
I wrote:
>>tissue (which is a
> little lab of meat on a glass slide, okay?)
I meant to write *slab* of meat. the whole lab will not fit under the
microscope. :-)
When they prepare your tissue for examination they embed it in paraffin and
then cut it with a microtome, which is like a deli-meat slicer for ants. So
they have their little "cold cut" of your tissue, one cell thick, and then
it is stained and examined under the scope by the pathologist.
I am not saying that I am a fount of medical information. All this stuff is
very common knowledge if you work in a pathology laboratory. I know that
others in this group know it as well; we just don't take the time to write
it down. If it is written in an FAQ somewhere, please let me know, and I
will stop expounding in my own words! Bob here seems truly interested in
the process, and that is how we "process" tissues in a laboratory.
Go, Bob!
Mair
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Zuska - 08 Aug 2006 06:36 GMT
> I'm curious about how discoid lupus is truly diagnosed.
Bob ~
Although I do not have the information about how discoid lupus is
diagnosed, I just wanted to share how my lupus was discovered: with an
eye infection!
After being treated for about 3 months for an ulcerated cornea that
kept coming back everytime the medication was stopped, I was examined
by another eye doctor, who announced that I had an "autoimmune systemic
scleritis." At that time, there was no blood work or anything.
And, it was about 18 months before any symptoms showed up, starting
with fatigue.
My point is that yes, you can have lupus and have no other symptoms. I
hope that this continues for you for a long, long time.
Susan