Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Lupus / June 2006
BP/diabetes
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Candi Bowen - 30 May 2006 19:43 GMT Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today; kidney & liver functions OK but glucose fasting level was 160. I'm not sure but I think this could explain the high blood pressure. I'm researching. I've only been on Norvasc for about 3 weeks & it's 5mg. I go next Tues for more glucose tests. I'm nearly 50, but when I was 17 I had acute pancreatitis of unknown origin. I didn't drink so that wasn't a factor. They're doing research now on early onset pancreatitis of unknown origin as a precursor to lupus. Not saying I don't drink now, but back then, it definitely wasn't the cause. I get my glucose levels checked every year & have always been between 80-90, even after the GTT so to get one at 160 after fasting is kinda scary. I really didn't expect it but it could explain why I've been feeling to sleepy & crappy. Can BP be elevated from diabetes, along with the swelling & night sweats?
Candi
Andy - 30 May 2006 21:10 GMT >Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary >enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today; [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >why I've been feeling to sleepy & crappy. Can BP be elevated from diabetes, >along with the swelling & night sweats? Ha! The medics over here swear blind that Diabetes and Lupus are not at all linked, and it's a coincidental dose of double misfortune if you get them both.
The sufferers remain unconvinced...
 Signature Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group] See http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk for more!
Shelagh - 30 May 2006 22:57 GMT <quote> "Neither type 1 nor type 2 diabetes can result from injury or trauma. However, a more rare form of diabetes, called "pancreatic diabetes," occurs when injury or surgical removal of the pancreas occurs. Since insulin is made in the pancreas, the lack of a functioning pancreas leads to insulin deficiency and diabetes." </unquote> from the website: http://tinyurl.com/ransu may refer to you by the sounds of your early pancreatitis at age 15.... The site gives a lot of good info on diabetes and blood sugars, high bp, renal involvement etc... I would suggest reading some of it for your own info. Good luck to you Candi! hugs, Shelagh http://clik.to/lupus
> Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary > enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today; [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Candi Beverley - 31 May 2006 14:33 GMT Whether you have type 2 diabetes or the cause is from something else I think you could say you are now diabetic. At least it was found before you hit 400 or so. Those high sugar levels cause some serious damage. They might just try to give you a diet to follow and see how you do. I have an uncle that was Dxed type 2 and controlled his with diet and exercise only.
I'm not sure but a high blood sugar might push your BP up - I just don't know. I'm the only one in my family that is not diabetic. My father never was so there is a chance that I might never be but diabetes runs on both sides of my parents and my husband's family is riddled with it.
I take Norvasc 5 mg and so far I've been doing okay with that except for the recent upswing which I think is stress induced. If I stress my BP flies up!
The high BP would explain the swelling especially in the legs, ankles and feet. And a high BP will cause damage to internal organs - something we don't need with lupus is more internal damage caused by other things.
In the meantime I think I'd be very careful with your diet. Stay away from most carbs. Carbs and sugars breakdown first and get into your bloodstream very quickly. If you are going to eat carbs make sure it is a high fiber-type carb. Eat smaller meals more often and have lots of salads. Stay away from the legumes and starchy vegetables such as corn. Try to do something like take a walk every day for exercise. Keep a record of everything you eat and bring it with you to the doc's office. You might be able to control the diabetes with just diet but if not it will help the doc to see what you've eaten and what you might need in Rx to control the diabetes.
If you need more help with the diet email me and I'll help you lay out some ideas for meals and what to eat when. Don't forget to watch your salt intake! Bev
> Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary > enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today; [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Candi Maggie - 31 May 2006 16:53 GMT Candi....
I am sorry that you're now likely dealing with diabetes on top of everything else. I am not sure if hypertension is directly associated with diabetes, but my mother controlled her diabetes with diet & exercise and had no hypertension until she began having problems controlling it. I think it's safe to assume that hypertension can come due to damage caused by diabetes or so it seemed with her.
Beverly's diet advice is right on. I would just like to add that you do need a balance of carbs. In this day and age with all of the carb-less diet hype....I just wanted to stress that natural carbs are not an enemy when eaten in proportion as with everything else. In fact, you have to have them for there's no other sugar source. Diabetics are told to eat between 6-8 carb servings per day.
I know this must be quite a blow, coming down with diabetes, but there's truly no better time in history to have it. And between medical advances and diet control products, it's only getting better. You will not feel deprived at all when you see what's out there on the market these days.
And, Candi, you said that you "were'nt going to say that you don't drink now." Alcohol is the worst thing you can do with diabetes, hon, so please be careful about that.
Hugs, Maggie
Shelagh - 31 May 2006 18:39 GMT High bp or hypertension is well associated with renal issues and renal issues are associated directly to diabetes and I would hazard a guess that Candi is experiencing renal problems at this point due to the high blood sugars and so the high bp etc.... let's see what her tests come back as and what her doc dx'es her with ..... curious and I wish you luck Candi! hugs, Shelagh http://clik.to/lupus
> Candi.... > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Hugs, > Maggie Beverley - 01 Jun 2006 00:22 GMT Candi, get a glucose meter. The doc might give you one, they often have them on hand for patients who cannot afford them. Or maybe he'll give you a coupon for one. Also check the net for coupons by the different manufacturers. The new ones are so easy to use. Sign up of diabetes classes at your local hospital.
The trick is to chose the carbs carefully. You really don't want to waste them on something silly but I also know that taking everything good and fun away makes life very boring!
I have a wonderful older friend and she was doing fine with her diet when she was living with her granddaughter but now she has been home for several months and her blood sugars went sky rocketing. She called me, told me where her sugars were. I freaked out! I went to her house and began to poke through her pantry and refrig. OH MY! Her son had been doing the grocery shopping and he'd been picking out all the light foods. Sometimes the light foods have more sugar in them and I began to point this out. Read the labels carefully. When in doubt look at the carbs, one brand may be much lower than another. It's taking me almost three weeks but I've got her down from 255 to 130. She feels better and has lots more energy. She's riding a stationary bike almost daily. (Getting her one of those to ride was sheer luck!) And she's actually eating better, in a timely fashion, and not feeling hungry. She has a whole group of treats that she may have as an afternoon or morning snack. It's limited in nature but she doesn't feel deprived.
Learning what is a "serving" is often the hardest thing for diabetics. Having someone show you helps. She's eating more salads, one for lunch and one smaller one with dinner. A meat should be the size of a deck of cards or the palm of your hand. Exchanging foods is a little trickier but once you get the hang of it you almost don't have to think about it. I found her a lower carb bread and that eases the carb load. I switched her crackers to whole wheat and limited them. If she has an egg and pancake for breakfast then she's not allowed cheese and crackers for her snack. So she has celery and no sugar added, pure, peanut butter instead. Then she can have the crackers with her salad at lunch or maybe she'll have a half of a turkey sandwich with her salad. Her afternoon snack is what she really relishes as I have also introduced her to flavored teas. Tea with fresh fruit, or tea with two Maria's (very plain Mexican cookies), or even two Eddy's Dibs (ice cream). She's not feeling deprived and she's sticking to her diet! Dinner is more normal with meat, a vegetable, and a small salad. She loves cauliflower, greens, squash, etc. They are all "free" foods. At night if she's hungry she can chose from a whole list of little things such as cheese, low-carb yogurt, peanut butter on crackers, etc. usually a high protein item.
I've been trying to take her out to lunch every so often to help her with meals while she is away from home. I've had her try new things and she's enjoyed it. Then we stop by the grocery store and see what new things we can find for her to eat. She loves cranberry juice and I found her some made with Splenda. Sure was better than the no-sugar added but they used apple juice to sweeten it, making it way too high in sugar! Now she can tell her son get me "this" and hands him the label. Three times I've taken her to the grocery store and done her shopping. I won't say what it cost me but I figure I don't tithe to a church or donate to United Way, etc so what little bit I can do for another human being is probably more important then striking a check for some organization.
She tests her blood sugar every morning so she knows if she ate something she should not have eaten. How much apple does she dare eat for a treat or in her salad? We've figured out it is about a 1/3 of a large apple. My sister cannot eat that much apple but my friend can. Everybody is different and how you metabolize your food will be different. I've seen diabetics eat things I wouldn't dream of eating at one meal and I'm not diabetic (yet). How much potato is too much? It's a carb serving and maybe 1/4 of a baked potato is all you can have or maybe you can eat 1/2 of one. Can you eat 1 or 2 new potatoes?
The trick is to spread the proteins and carbs out throughout the day. I tell my friend it is like stoking the woodstove. Paper is the sugar and it flares up and goes away. In diabetics it flares and gets stuck in the blood much like creosote in the chimney. The fiber is like tinder and is needed to keep things hot but the proteins are the big hunks of wood that slowly burn. The carrots, lettuce, celery, squash, greens, broccoli and cauliflower are just free food that will not effect sugar levels. Eat all you want!
I do hope this helps. ((HUGS)) Bev
> Candi.... > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Hugs, > Maggie Michael Roeper - 01 Jun 2006 14:49 GMT > Candi, get a glucose meter. The doc might give you one, they often have them > on hand for patients who cannot afford them. Or maybe he'll give you a [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Hugs, > > Maggie Michael Roeper - 01 Jun 2006 14:57 GMT I don't know if I'm doing this right.....Candi: if you get this...I have a diabetes glucose meter that you can have if you want it. It's one of the current models that I bought about a year ago. It has a bottle of those little test strips with it and I can give you the lancet tool with a bunck of new tips (I think I know where they are). It's been a while since I have used it. It's not the same one that B.B. King advertises on TV but it's made by the same company (I think). They're spendy so if you need one, you can have this one. Just let me know. you can e-mail me directly at mikeroeper@msn.com. I'm in the middle of moving and I've packed it but I know what box it's in. I can overnight it to you if you need it fast. That's what a glucose meter is, right? The test device for checking your blood sugar several times a day? I think I paid about $100. for the whole kit when I bought it.
I'll send y'all an update on me as soon as I get this move done (Yes, I'm moving to a flat instead of a townhouse and it's killing me). BTW: I've lost 70 pounds since February. I was hospitalized 9 times between Thanksgiving and March 1st but seem to have received a new lease on live so far. Wish me luck!!!!
Michael Roeper
> > Candi, get a glucose meter. The doc might give you one, they often have them > > on hand for patients who cannot afford them. Or maybe he'll give you a [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > > Hugs, > > > Maggie J - 03 Jun 2006 13:04 GMT > I don't know if I'm doing this right.....Candi: if you get this...I > have a diabetes glucose meter that you can have if you want it. It's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is, right? The test device for checking your blood sugar several times > a day? I think I paid about $100. for the whole kit when I bought it. I have one but never figured out how to make it work, so I eat when I feel low, which is just about now....
> I'll send y'all an update on me as soon as I get this move done (Yes, > I'm moving to a flat instead of a townhouse and it's killing me). BTW: > I've lost 70 pounds since February. I was hospitalized 9 times between > Thanksgiving and March 1st but seem to have received a new lease on > live so far. Wish me luck!!!! Oh my goodness. You've had a rough time there, Michael and now you're moving again. Please get rest when you can. Good luck with the move and please keep in touch. J
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