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Candi Bowen - 30 May 2006 19:43 GMT
Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary
enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today;
kidney & liver functions OK but glucose fasting level was 160. I'm not sure
but I think this could explain the high blood pressure. I'm researching.
I've only been on Norvasc for about 3 weeks & it's 5mg. I go next Tues for
more glucose tests. I'm nearly 50, but when I was 17 I had acute
pancreatitis of unknown origin. I didn't drink so that wasn't a factor.
They're doing research now on early onset pancreatitis of unknown origin as
a precursor to lupus. Not saying I don't drink now, but back then, it
definitely wasn't the cause. I get my glucose levels checked every year &
have always been between 80-90, even after the GTT so to get one at 160
after fasting is kinda scary. I really didn't expect it but it could explain
why I've been feeling to sleepy & crappy. Can BP be elevated from diabetes,
along with the swelling & night sweats?

Candi
Andy - 30 May 2006 21:10 GMT
>Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary
>enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today;
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>why I've been feeling to sleepy & crappy. Can BP be elevated from diabetes,
>along with the swelling & night sweats?

Ha! The medics over here swear blind that Diabetes and Lupus are not at
all linked, and it's a coincidental dose of double misfortune if you get
them both.

The sufferers remain unconvinced...
Signature

Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]
See http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk for more!

Shelagh - 30 May 2006 22:57 GMT
<quote>  
"Neither type 1 nor type 2 diabetes can result from injury or trauma. However, a more rare form of diabetes, called "pancreatic diabetes," occurs when injury or surgical removal of the pancreas occurs. Since insulin is made in the pancreas, the lack of a functioning pancreas leads to insulin deficiency and diabetes."
</unquote>
from the website:   http://tinyurl.com/ransu
may refer to you by the sounds of your early pancreatitis at age 15....
The site gives a lot of good info on diabetes and blood sugars, high bp, renal involvement etc... I would suggest reading some of it for your own info.
Good luck to you Candi!
hugs,
Shelagh
http://clik.to/lupus

> Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary
> enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today;
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>
> Candi
Beverley - 31 May 2006 14:33 GMT
Whether you have type 2 diabetes or the cause is from something else I think
you could say you are now diabetic. At least it was found before you hit 400
or so. Those high sugar levels cause some serious damage. They might just
try to give you a diet to follow and see how you do. I have an uncle that
was Dxed type 2 and controlled his with diet and exercise only.

I'm not sure but a high blood sugar might push your BP up - I just don't
know. I'm the only one in my family that is not diabetic. My father never
was so there is a chance that I might never be but diabetes runs on both
sides of my parents and my husband's family is riddled with it.

I take Norvasc 5 mg and so far I've been doing okay with that except for the
recent upswing which I think is stress induced. If I stress my BP flies up!

The high BP would explain the swelling especially in the legs, ankles and
feet. And a high BP will cause damage to internal organs - something we
don't need with lupus is more internal damage caused by other things.

In the meantime I think I'd be very careful with your diet. Stay away from
most carbs. Carbs and sugars breakdown first and get into your bloodstream
very quickly. If you are going to eat carbs make sure it is a high
fiber-type carb. Eat smaller meals more often and have lots of salads. Stay
away from the legumes and starchy vegetables such as corn. Try to do
something like take a walk every day for exercise. Keep a record of
everything you eat and bring it with you to the doc's office. You might be
able to control the diabetes with just diet but if not it will help the doc
to see what you've eaten and what you might need in Rx to control the
diabetes.

If you need more help with the diet email me and I'll help you lay out some
ideas for meals and what to eat when. Don't forget to watch your salt
intake!
Bev

> Hi Bev, I wish that my BP would zoom DOWN to 140/90. I know that one's scary
> enough but mine's been way above that. I got my blood test results today;
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>
> Candi
Maggie - 31 May 2006 16:53 GMT
Candi....

I am sorry that you're now likely dealing with diabetes on top of
everything else.  I am not sure if hypertension is directly associated
with diabetes, but my mother controlled her diabetes with diet &
exercise and had no hypertension until she began having problems
controlling it.  I think it's safe to assume that hypertension can come
due to damage caused by diabetes or so it seemed with her.

Beverly's diet advice is right on.  I would just like to add that you
do need a balance of carbs.  In this day and age with all of the
carb-less diet hype....I just wanted to stress that natural carbs are
not an enemy when eaten in proportion as with everything else.  In
fact, you have to have them for there's no other sugar source.
Diabetics are told to eat between 6-8 carb servings per day.

I know this must be quite a blow, coming down with diabetes, but
there's truly no better time in history to have it.  And between
medical advances and diet control products, it's only getting better.
You will not feel deprived at all when you see what's out there on the
market these days.

And, Candi, you said that you "were'nt going to say that you don't
drink now."  Alcohol is the worst thing you can do with diabetes, hon,
so please be careful about that.

Hugs,
Maggie
Shelagh - 31 May 2006 18:39 GMT
High bp or hypertension is well associated with renal issues and renal issues are associated directly to diabetes and I would hazard a guess that Candi is experiencing renal problems at this point due to the high blood sugars and so the high bp etc.... let's see what her tests come back as and what her doc dx'es her with ..... curious and I wish you luck Candi!
hugs,
Shelagh
http://clik.to/lupus

> Candi....
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> Hugs,
> Maggie
Beverley - 01 Jun 2006 00:22 GMT
Candi, get a glucose meter. The doc might give you one, they often have them
on hand for patients who cannot afford them. Or maybe he'll give you a
coupon for one. Also check the net for coupons by the different
manufacturers. The new ones are so easy to use.  Sign up of diabetes classes
at your local hospital.

The trick is to chose the carbs carefully. You really don't want to waste
them on something silly but I also know that taking everything good and fun
away makes life very boring!

I have a wonderful older friend and she was doing fine with her diet when
she was living with her granddaughter but now she has been home for several
months and her blood sugars went sky rocketing. She called me, told me where
her sugars were. I freaked out! I went to her house and began to poke
through her pantry and refrig. OH MY! Her son had been doing the grocery
shopping and he'd been picking out all the light foods. Sometimes the light
foods have more sugar in them and I began to point this out. Read the labels
carefully. When in doubt look at the carbs, one brand may be much lower than
another. It's taking me almost three weeks but I've got her down from 255 to
130. She feels better and has lots more energy. She's riding a stationary
bike almost daily. (Getting her one of those to ride was sheer luck!) And
she's actually eating better, in a timely fashion, and not feeling hungry.
She has a whole group of treats that she may have as an afternoon or morning
snack. It's limited in nature but she doesn't feel deprived.

Learning what is a "serving" is often the hardest thing for diabetics.
Having someone show you helps. She's eating more salads, one for lunch and
one smaller one with dinner. A meat should be the size of a deck of cards or
the palm of your hand. Exchanging foods is a little trickier but once you
get the hang of it you almost don't have to think about it. I found her a
lower carb bread and that eases the carb load. I switched her crackers to
whole wheat and limited them. If she has an egg and pancake for breakfast
then she's not allowed cheese and crackers for her snack. So she has celery
and no sugar added, pure, peanut butter instead. Then she can have the
crackers with her salad at lunch or maybe she'll have a half of a turkey
sandwich with her salad. Her afternoon snack is what she really relishes as
I have also introduced her to flavored teas. Tea with fresh fruit, or tea
with two Maria's (very plain Mexican cookies), or even two Eddy's Dibs (ice
cream). She's not feeling deprived and she's sticking to her diet! Dinner is
more normal with meat, a vegetable, and a small salad. She loves
cauliflower, greens, squash, etc. They are all "free" foods. At night if
she's hungry she can chose from a whole list of little things such as
cheese, low-carb yogurt, peanut butter on crackers, etc. usually a high
protein item.

I've been trying to take her out to lunch every so often to help her with
meals while she is away from home. I've had her try new things and she's
enjoyed it. Then we stop by the grocery store and see what new things we can
find for her to eat. She loves cranberry juice and I found her some made
with Splenda. Sure was better than the no-sugar added but they used apple
juice to sweeten it, making it way too high in sugar! Now she can tell her
son get me "this" and hands him the label. Three times I've taken her to the
grocery store and done her shopping. I won't say what it cost me but I
figure I don't tithe to a church or donate to United Way, etc so what little
bit I can do for another human being is probably more important then
striking a check for some organization.

She tests her blood sugar every morning so she knows if she ate something
she should not have eaten. How much apple does she dare eat for a treat or
in her salad? We've figured out it is about a 1/3 of a large apple. My
sister cannot eat that much apple but my friend can. Everybody is different
and how you metabolize your food will be different. I've seen diabetics eat
things I wouldn't dream of eating at one meal and I'm not diabetic (yet).
How much potato is too much? It's a carb serving and maybe 1/4 of a baked
potato is all you can have or maybe you can eat 1/2 of one. Can you eat 1 or
2 new potatoes?

The trick is to spread the proteins and carbs out throughout the day. I tell
my friend it is like stoking the woodstove. Paper is the sugar and it flares
up and goes away. In diabetics it flares and gets stuck in the blood much
like creosote in the chimney. The fiber is like tinder and is needed to keep
things hot but the proteins are the big hunks of wood that slowly burn. The
carrots, lettuce, celery, squash, greens, broccoli and cauliflower are just
free food that will not effect sugar levels. Eat all you want!

I do hope this helps.
((HUGS))
Bev

> Candi....
>
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> Hugs,
> Maggie
Michael Roeper - 01 Jun 2006 14:49 GMT
> Candi, get a glucose meter. The doc might give you one, they often have them
> on hand for patients who cannot afford them. Or maybe he'll give you a
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> > Hugs,
> > Maggie
Michael Roeper - 01 Jun 2006 14:57 GMT
I don't know if I'm doing this right.....Candi: if you get this...I
have a diabetes glucose meter that you can have if you want it. It's
one of the current models that I bought about a year ago. It has a
bottle of those little test strips with it and I can give you the
lancet tool with a bunck of new tips (I think I know where they are).
It's been a while since I have used it. It's not the same one that B.B.
King advertises on TV but it's made by the same company (I think).
They're spendy so if you need one, you can have this one. Just let me
know. you can e-mail me directly at mikeroeper@msn.com. I'm in the
middle of moving and I've packed it but I know what box it's in. I can
overnight it to you if you need it fast. That's what a glucose meter
is, right? The test device for checking your blood sugar several times
a day? I think I paid about $100. for the whole kit when I bought it.

I'll send y'all an update on me as soon as I get this move done (Yes,
I'm moving to a flat instead of a townhouse and it's killing me). BTW:
I've lost 70 pounds since February. I was hospitalized 9 times between
Thanksgiving and March 1st but seem to have received a new lease on
live so far. Wish me luck!!!!

Michael Roeper

> > Candi, get a glucose meter. The doc might give you one, they often have them
> > on hand for patients who cannot afford them. Or maybe he'll give you a
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> > > Hugs,
> > > Maggie
J - 03 Jun 2006 13:04 GMT
> I don't know if I'm doing this right.....Candi: if you get this...I
> have a diabetes glucose meter that you can have if you want it. It's
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> is, right? The test device for checking your blood sugar several times
> a day? I think I paid about $100. for the whole kit when I bought it.

I have one but never figured out how to make it work, so I eat when I feel low,
which is just about now....

> I'll send y'all an update on me as soon as I get this move done (Yes,
> I'm moving to a flat instead of a townhouse and it's killing me). BTW:
> I've lost 70 pounds since February. I was hospitalized 9 times between
> Thanksgiving and March 1st but seem to have received a new lease on
> live so far. Wish me luck!!!!

Oh my goodness. You've had a rough time there, Michael and now you're moving again.
Please get rest when you can.
Good luck with the move and please keep in touch.
J
 
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