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17 years later and I still don't know what is wrong with me!!

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betts - 04 May 2006 15:12 GMT
Hi everyone, this is my first post here. I am hoping to get some help in
getting a diagnosis. I am not good at being brief, but will try very
hard!

I have always had health issues, as a child I would be sick for no
apparent reason, had constant strep throat, developed a goiter with
hypothyroid at age 10, got mono, chronic anemia, then at 15 started having
facial rash and symtoms of Lupus, was diagnosed with Mild Lupus. At age 19
the diagnosis was changed to FM. Lived that way for some time, then at age
28 got very sick, lost weight, terrible joint pain,low-grade fevers,rashes,
nodule in elbow,etc. Seen by a rheumy, was put on prednisone, felt a
difference immediately. Tests came back inconclusive for Lupus, but showed
a low C-4. Diagnosed with Complement Deficency/lupus-like syndrome. Put on
Plaquenil, did pretty good for awhile.

Then seen by a new rheumy (military) this one not on board with Lupus-like
disease, says I have Hypermobility syndrome and FM. Takes me off plaquenil.
Not interested in explaining my rashes or anything else. Dead End.

Last year was a humdinger, I lost two pregnancies(1 early miscarriage, 1
stillborn)had two emergency d&C's and then an exploratory lap. While all
of this was happening my body went completely out of control, tendonitis
in my hand, joints in hands going crooked, neck spasms, chronic
infections, raised lesions on my face, facial acne, stuff I can't even
remember now, just a miserable time. My GP at first looked at everything
seperately then decided to put me on a prednisone taper to see how I did.
I felt terrible on the prednisone from side-effects, then started
improving. He also said "you were doing so good on the plaquenil, lets put
you back on" I asked about the Rhuemy again but he said he could handle it
for awhile. I am fine with that, he is a great dr, but I don't have a
diagnosis.

This past week after doing really good for several weeks I went out in the
sun all day, got a very prominent butterfly rash, started having joint
pain,fatigue, and have what I think must be glossitis on my tongue (furry,
raised sores, swollen).

I also have a 4 year old daughter that is having kidney problems and a
very low C-3 she is in the process of getting diagnosed with a rare kidney
disease that is auto-immune related. I wonder if I had had a definative
diagnosis of my own if it might of sped up the process in getting her
dianosed.

Any help would be appreciated, I need to know what to ask for, and how to
make it happen. I am not good at talking to dr.'s and am usually blown off
very easily. I am thankful that whatever I have has not been
life-threatening to me so far, but the past few years have been getting
worse and worse.

Thanks!@
Betts
Krista - 04 May 2006 21:27 GMT
Hey Betts,

Has anyone said anything about Anti-Phospholipid Antibody Syndrome?  It
would explain your miscarriages and difficult births, and possibly the
passing on of the "proteins" to your daughter.  I have this and know a
lady who has it and has had the exact thing happen to her.  Two
miscarriages, and almost lost all 3 of her kids, and her youngest
daughter is sick too.

I was sick all the time as a kid too, and had the tongue thing all my
life.

Do you have any history of Agent Orange exposure in you or your
parents?

I understand there's a huge clinic in Dallas, TX that has been
researching these diseases and has done alot of good work.  They call
it "Environmental Medicine".  I know they have a website but I don't
have it.  Try to look it up and I'll try to get it and post it for you.
They've been trying to get me to go down there but I don't have anyone
to drive me to Dallas and flying is as bad and then Dallas is a mess to
navigate.

I'm 30 and seem to be in the same place you were at that time in your
life.  Almost exactly.  The sun turns me bright red and swells me up
for 2 days.  

I hope some of this helps!

(((HUGS)))

Krista
Sherry - 04 May 2006 22:39 GMT
Krista,
If we are talking exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam there are other
chemicals that our servicemen and women were exposed to also.

My husband was in Vietnam for two tours and was up on the DMZ area both
tours.  He was exposed to Agent Orange and other chemicals.  What are they
trying to link to the exposure of Agent Orange in the offspring of those
exposed?  I have never seen too much on that part of it.  But I do keep tabs
on what they are allowing for illnesses caused by exposure to the Vietnam
Veteran.

Hugs,
Sherry
> Hey Betts,
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Krista
William R  Thompson - 05 May 2006 12:05 GMT
> If we are talking exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam there are other
> chemicals that our servicemen and women were exposed to also.

> My husband was in Vietnam for two tours and was up on the DMZ area both
> tours.  He was exposed to Agent Orange and other chemicals.  What are they
> trying to link to the exposure of Agent Orange in the offspring of those
> exposed?

I googled a lot of sites, using different terms, and the most
common birth defects anyone identified were spinal bifida
and related neural-tube defects.  Chloracne received some
mention as well.  It's unclear if they were talking about
mutagenic effects (mutations; direct damage to the DNA)
or teratogenic effects (teratogens cause damage to the fetus
itself in the mother's womb).

--Bill Thompson
Sherry - 05 May 2006 17:51 GMT
Bill, the government/VA has never been very clear about any of the Agent
Orange "Recognized Conditions"  Our Agent Orange Reviews state " Conditions
Recognized in Children of Vietnam Veterans
1. Spina bifida (except spina bifida occulta)
2. Certain other birth defects in the children of women Vietnam Veterans.

For those of you who served in Vietnam or had a husband, brother, father,
son, wife, daughter etc the list is as follows:
1. Chloracne (must occur within 1 yr of exposure to Agent Orange)
2. Non- Hodgkin's lymphoma
3. Soft tissue sarcoma (other than osteosarcoma, chondrisarcoma, Kaposi's
sarcoma, or mesothelioma)
4.  They forgot to list number 4 <g>
5. Hodgkin's disease
6. Multiple myeloma
7. Respiratory cancers, including cancer of the lung, larynx, trachea, and
bronchus (no time limitations)
8. Prostate cancer
9.  Acute and subacute transient peripheral neuropathy (must appear within 1
yr of exposure and resolve within 2 years of date of onset)
10. Type 2 diabetes
11. Chronic lymphocytic leukemia

Many men and women who served in Vietnam are still "fighting" the VA for
coverage of Medical problems that they and CIVILIAN Doctors and researchers
attribute to chemical exposure in Vietnam.

Thanks for your google search.

Hugs,
Sherry

> I googled a lot of sites, using different terms, and the most
> common birth defects anyone identified were spinal bifida
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> --Bill Thompson
William R  Thompson - 06 May 2006 09:02 GMT
> Bill, the government/VA has never been very clear about any of the Agent
> Orange "Recognized Conditions"
> Many men and women who served in Vietnam are still "fighting" the VA for
> coverage of Medical problems that they and CIVILIAN Doctors and
> researchers attribute to chemical exposure in Vietnam.

It's not unusual, alas.  When I went through a porphyria
misdiagnosis in '98, I researched everything I could.  One
thing I found was a link between Gulf War Syndrome and
porphyria (some chemicals can induce porphyria).  The VA
response was to order its doctors to stop testing for the
porphyrias, which I suppose is a clever way to reduce their
incidence to zero.

When I was in grad school, circa 1980, one Vietnam vet
told me that the VA refused to believe in post-traumatic
stress disorder.  It turns out that the DSM-III had dropped
all references to PTSD (also known as "combat fatigue" and
"shell shock").  You can't treat someone for a condition
that doesn't officially exist.

> Thanks for your google search.

You're welcome--and, belatedly, it occured to me that I
missed some things.  When I entered "Seveso" and "birth
defect" I found this site

http://www.birthdefects.org/information/AO_Task_Force.htm

which lists these birth-defects as related to dioxin/TCDD exposure:
spina bifida, cleft palate, neuroblastomas and "other neoplasms,"
angioma, CNS defects, hypospadius, hip dislocation, defects of
the digestive tract, epispadius, as well as "chronic health problems
and learning, behavioral, sensory and other relatively minor problems."

--Bill Thompson
Krista - 06 May 2006 07:07 GMT
Hey Sherry,

The "Government" does not want to link exposure to anything to any new
illnesses.  There have been studies that suggest Agent Orange Veterans,
(My Dad) can have children who develop Lupus or other Autoimmune
disorders.  My father died Feb. 2004 from Agent Orange lung cancer.  He
was highly decorated, and had a Purple Heart because a bomb exploded
over his head and shoulder.  Thank God he had a hard head, no joke, the
shrapnel that should have been in his brain just pitted along his
skull.  He had also rolled a truck over his head in high school, he was
fine but the truck had a huge dent in the side.  Ha!

There are many illnesses recognized by direct exposure, many cancers
and diabetes.  Spina bifida is the only one I know about in offspring.
I was just curious about it, see, I have a Masters degree in
Environmental Science and Biology and I am always thinking about what
causes these illnesses.  I am convinced that it is something that we or
our parents were exposed to in the environment, otherwise there would
be more known about it. More historical data.  And it's not just a
doctor's job to figure out what it is.  I'm afraid it's only going to
get worse.  Sheesh it's overwhelming on so many levels!

Take care!

(((((hugs)))))

~Krista
J - 06 May 2006 08:03 GMT
>   I am convinced that it is something that we or
> our parents were exposed to in the environment, otherwise there would
> be more known about it. More historical data.

I'd like to point out that diagnostics, communications and record keeping
weren't very good until the 21st century.
Hugs
J
William R  Thompson - 06 May 2006 13:48 GMT
> There are many illnesses recognized by direct exposure, many cancers
> and diabetes.  Spina bifida is the only one I know about in offspring.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> doctor's job to figure out what it is.  I'm afraid it's only going to
> get worse.  Sheesh it's overwhelming on so many levels!

It's something I've wondered about as well.  Both of my grandfathers
were industrial chemists before they got married, and they both
worked in places where safety was low on the list.  I know
Grandfather Thompson was exposed to mustard gas (he worked in
the infamous Edgewood Arsenal in 1917/1918, and he was
gassed in at least one accident), and mustard gas is a mutagen.
That might explain some of the problems in my dad's side of the family.

And there have been so many other toxins dumped in the
environment over the past couple of centuries.  Before 1900
refineries poured most of their gasoline into the nearest river.
A friend of mine worked on a construction job in upstate New
York in the Nineties, and started getting sick soon afterward.
The construction site turned out to be a toxic-waste dump, and
since the early 1800s it had collected a huge list of poisons (the
contractor knew.  So did all the local workers.  The contractor
hired out-of-state workers and never warned them).

--Bill Thompson
J - 05 May 2006 01:13 GMT
>  Tests came back inconclusive for Lupus, but showed
> a low C-4. Diagnosed with Complement Deficency/lupus-like syndrome. Put on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> diagnosis of my own if it might of sped up the process in getting her
> dianosed.

Hi Betts,
I was thinking that maybe the reverse would happen if they diagnose your
daughter.
If not, maybe they could give you a lead on who to see or if you should see an
allergist/immunologist...

I did some searching and was reading thsse websites
http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic1119.htm (too long to post, - I just read
some sections there)
# C4 is encoded as 2 tandem, highly polymorphic genes, C4A and C4B, located in
the major histocompatibility complex on chromosome 6. Two copies of each gene
determine the phenotype. Null alleles are called C4a*Q0 and C4b*Q0. Deletion of
the C4A gene is the most common mechanism. A single null allele reduces the C4
level by 35-40%. Four null alleles encode a complete deficiency of C4. It is
transmitted as an autosomal recessive trait.

# Partial C4 deficiency predisposes to SLE. Deficiency of C4A or C4B has been
associated with the development of scleroderma, immunoglobulin A nephropathy,
Henoch-Schönlein purpura, diabetes mellitus, chronic hepatitis and membranous
nephropathy. Complete C4 deficiency is rare. Characteristics of SLE with
complete C4 deficiency include early onset, mild renal disease, skin
manifestations, anti-SSA antibody, and an absence of anti-dsDNA antibody.
Complete C4 deficiency also may manifest with infection or may not be
associated with any symptoms.

# Defective expression or function also may lead to SLE, as occurs with
medications such as hydralazine, penicillamine, and procainamide, which react
with the thioester bond of C4a and block its function.

My mouse is acting up. I'll post this then come back and read it again.
J

http://www.mtio.com/lupus/lfalt1.htm#no3 Lab Tests Common for Lupus
C4 is a component of the classic complement pathway. Depressed levels usually
indicate classic pathway activation.
Increased in: Various malignancies: not clinically useful.

Decreased by: Decreased synthesis, increased catabolism (SLE, rheumatoid
arthritis, proliferative glomerulonephritis, hereditary angioedema), and
increased loss (burns, protein-losing enteropathies). Congenital deficiency.

Additional: Low C4 accompanies acute attacks of hereditary angioedema, and C4
is used as a first-line test for the disease. C1 esterase inhibitor levels are
not indicated for the evaluation of hereditary angioedema unless C4 is low.
Congenital C4 deficiency occurs with an SLE-like syndrome. Test as usually
performed is an immunoassay and not a functional assay.

http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/ASLFAQ/diag.htm
#8  Immune complexes or complements (C3, C4, CH50) which tend to be low when
lupus is very active, and can also be an important gauge of disease severity.

http://www.jcaai.org/Param/Immune/Comp.HTM
Clinical Evaluation of Complement Component Deficiency
Deficiencies of the early components of complement (C1q,r,s C4, C2) are
associated with systemic lupus erythematosus-like symptoms, glomerulonephritis
and, less frequently, with pyogenic infections.

# Normal C3 and C4 levels in the face of undetectable CH50 is strong evidence
of congenital complement component deficiency, whereas a decrease in C4 and/or
C3 with undetectable CH50 suggest complement consumption.
# The evaluation of specific component deficiency requires tests not available
in the majority of clinical laboratories.
Management of Complement Deficiencies

It should be recognized that:

   * There is no specific treatment for the congenital deficiency of
complement components.
   * In C1 inhibitor deficiency, the administration of semi-synthetic
androgens such as danazol and stanozolol is associated with a decrease in
angioedema attacks and increased levels of C1 inhibitor. Because of possible
androgenic effects, these drugs must be used with caution in children.
   * If there is knowledge that a patient has a complement component
deficiency, it is very important to alert the physician to the risk of severe
infections that require more aggressive evaluations.
   * Patients with deficiency of early complement components may develop
autoimmune diseases particularly SLE or glomerulonephritis.
   * Patients may be immunized with vaccines for pneumococci, H. influenzae,
and Neisseria meningitidis.

III. Special Considerations

It should be recognized that:

   * Obtaining a family history of complement component deficiency is
extremely important in arriving at a proper diagnosis.
   * Complement components lose activity very rapidly at room temperature and
for this reason serum for functional assays requires special handling.
   * A common cause of very low or absent complement activity (CH50) is
inappropriate handling of specimens; confirmation of results is indicated
before more elaborate studies are performed.
   * A purified C1 inhibitor preparation for treatment of hereditary
angioedema attacks may be available in specialized medical centers.
   * Gene therapy of complement component deficiency is a possible type of
therapy under development.

IV. The Immunologist as Consultant

It should be recognized that:
   * All patients with recurrent infections should be considered for referral
to an allergist/immunologist for evaluation of complement component deficiency.

   * Patients with recurrent bouts of angioedema should be considered for
referral to an allergist/immunologist for evaluation of congenital or acquired
C1 inhibitor deficiency.
   * The allergist/immunologist has special expertise in evaluating,
diagnosing and managing patients with complement deficiencies.
J - 05 May 2006 01:22 GMT
> Hi Betts,
> I was thinking that maybe the reverse would happen if they diagnose your
> daughter.
> If not, maybe they could give you a lead on who to see or if you should see an
> allergist/immunologist...

The last sentence (below) is why I think that way.

> http://www.jcaai.org/Param/Immune/Comp.HTM
> Clinical Evaluation of Complement Component Deficiency
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> # The evaluation of specific component deficiency requires tests not available
> in the majority of clinical laboratories.

I also think it's possible that your GP thinks it's best to get you back on
plaquenil, while you're going through the stress of your daughter's situation and
get you sorted out later.

What do you think about that theory? And would it be acceptable to you?
J
betts - 05 May 2006 03:27 GMT
Well, that would make a lot of sense, but he put me back on it before she
got sick. I am still better on it than not!

Thank you so much for that information! That is more than I was able to
come up with in my searches.

My daughter might have a rare form of glomerulonephritis.

The allergist/immunologist is a great thought that I have had before, but
never have had a dr. suggest it. I will try to get that in the works. I
really like my GP, he is one of the few dr.'s that has not treated me like
a hypochondriac.

I don't think that my blood work ever went beyond a basic work-up for
Lupus. So my C-4 would have been a standard test not a complete chain.
They have sent my daughter's off to a special lab in cincinatti that will
do a complete complement chain.

That has been my frustration, once they would "rule out" Lupus with blood
work, they would drop the whole thing. I would be content to not have
Lupus, but know I have something! The dr. that first said low C-3 said I
was probably born with it, so that could line up with some of what you
psoted.

You gave me a lot to work with! Thank you so much!
J - 06 May 2006 08:36 GMT
> Well, that would make a lot of sense, but he put me back on it before she
> got sick. I am still better on it than not!
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> You gave me a lot to work with! Thank you so much!

I don't know that Lupus has been ruled out (for you), since I don't have your
lab reports.
My friend "Z" knew many years before diagnosis, that she had Lupus.
It was very frustrating for her but now that she's got the diagnosis, she
doesn't want the medicines. :p

A list of lab tests for SLE and (some) associated conditions are here
http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/ASLFAQ/diag.htm
and here http://www.mtio.com/lupus/lfalt1.htm

Id like to point out that I'm not an expert nor a doctor.
I'm glad you've got a doctor looking out for you and someone to talk these
things out with.

Also like to point out that there's a reason Lupus is called the disease of
1,000 faces.
(many different flavours of Lupus, which I expect is reflected in lab results)
and depending if a person is flaring (or not).

Seems to me that if they've ruled out any other serious (treatable by other
means) illness and plaquenil seems to help, then why is a diagnosis so
important?  Would UCTD (undifferentiated connective tissue ) not suffice, as
long as the GP is looking out for any signs of something more serious
happening...

I'll leave that with you. If you decide to consult with the other type of
expert, take copies of all your labwork (might save on some testing or s/he
might want to see them ) and let us know how things worked out.
Best to you and your daughter.
J
betts - 06 May 2006 21:30 GMT
Well, I don't know why it is so important to me to have a diagnosis. What
runs through my mind most often is that I would like to know what I am
dealing with and what I can expect. I have not even been given a UCTD
diagnosis.

1989-Lupus
1994-Fibromyalgia, not Lupus
2002-Lupus Like Syndrome/Complement Deficency
2004-not above, hypermobility, FM again

I am am more symptomatic than the lab results show. I have had the
occasional positive ANA, somewhat reliable raised ESR, Postive RF, low
C-3.

I have never had a positive ds Dna.

I have made a list of all the symptoms, the most confusing to me are the
following (feel free to stop reading...I tend to ramble!)Of course there
are more, these just the ones that get to me the most!

raynauds
joint pain, muscle pain, muscle weakness
rashes on face, elbows, knees
sunsensitivty (increased rash, fatigue)
mouth ulcers
swollen lymph nodes
irregular heartrate, shortness of breath, chest pressure
tremors in hands
extreme fatigue

I have also had a history of having severe and chronic infections that do
not raise my WBC. That has got me the hypochondriac status more than once.
I will have all the symptoms of infection and blood work is normal, low and
behold another type of test (CT or ultrasound shows evidence of infection)

I often wonder if there is something in my blood that disguises things!
Far-fetched, I know, but sharing with you all the strange things that I
have thought of these years!

Thanks for all the websites, I found them very interesting.
Betts
Sherry - 07 May 2006 02:31 GMT
One thing I can say is even with a Lupus diagnosis none of us know what we
can expect.  Lupus has so many faces and no ones case is the same.  So many
different illness can also happen and Lupus is not always the culprit when
you have a new symptom. ( I hope that made sense)

I think we all understand the needing to know what I have.  But most
important is a doctor who will treat your symptoms.  Some doctors are
hesitant to give a firm dx as they know that having certain dxes will give
you problems in the future with some insurance company.

Have you gotten and read Dr. Daniel Wallace's "The Lupus Book" 2nd or third
edition?  He is one of the leading authorities on Lupus.  The books are well
worth the money.

Hugs,
Sherry
> Well, I don't know why it is so important to me to have a diagnosis. What
> runs through my mind most often is that I would like to know what I am
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> Thanks for all the websites, I found them very interesting.
> Betts
J - 07 May 2006 09:32 GMT
> Well, I don't know why it is so important to me to have a diagnosis. What
> runs through my mind most often is that I would like to know what I am
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> 2002-Lupus Like Syndrome/Complement Deficency
> 2004-not above, hypermobility, FM again

Some have both..

> I am am more symptomatic than the lab results show. I have had the
> occasional positive ANA, somewhat reliable raised ESR, Postive RF, low
> C-3.

I thought you said C-4?

> I have never had a positive ds Dna.

Don't know what this means - what does the FAQ say?

> I have made a list of all the symptoms, the most confusing to me are the
> following (feel free to stop reading...I tend to ramble!)Of course there
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> tremors in hands
> extreme fatigue

I'm sort of with you, so far  - sounds lupus-like and a doctor illness called
"makeupyourminds-itis"
What happened about your goiter?

> I have also had a history of having severe and chronic infections that do
> not raise my WBC. That has got me the hypochondriac status more than once.
> I will have all the symptoms of infection and blood work is normal, low and
> behold another type of test (CT or ultrasound shows evidence of infection)

hmmm... maybe that immunologist idea wasn't so crazy after all. and/or
I don't get a lot of infections but I can remember 3 that seemed to roar up out
of nowhere, no warning.
The last one was 8 or 9 years ago, she checked I think my blood and my urine
and said no infection but a month or so later I woke up too sick - couldn't see
to drive to get to doctor's and I knew then (fever etc) I had an infection, but
I'd been "courting it" for several months before and she did treat me like I
was a hypochrondriac, so I can relate.
Lupus and infections
<http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Lupus_and_infecti
ons?OpenDocument
>

> I often wonder if there is something in my blood that disguises things!
> Far-fetched, I know, but sharing with you all the strange things that I
> have thought of these years!

Ramble on...we can't diagnose, but we're here to listen and care.
Hugs
J
betts - 08 May 2006 01:22 GMT
Oh sorry, it is the low c-4, I was getting confused with my daughters low
c-3.

I love your new disease, "makeupyourminds-itis"
That gave me a laugh, and I have laughed at every new disease that I have
got.

I am sure I probably do have Hypermobility...

My goiter, well nothing really. I still have it, I was only 10 so I don't
remember the particulars but they did the nuclear test on me and then
started me on thyroid. I tend to stay a low normal, and have to inisist
that they check more than just the tsh because that isn't accurate with
me. I have never seen a specialist for that.

Thanks for letting me vent about this.

Betts
J - 09 May 2006 11:28 GMT
> Oh sorry, it is the low c-4, [cleared up]
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Thanks for letting me vent about this.

Sorry, I'm late Betts (and/or unreliable).
Last week was a "if it's not one thing, it's another" week. I had to have
some catchup sleep on Sunday and monday, so I'm behind in everything.
I think I've seen hypermobility on both the FM and this newsgroup.
You still have your goiter?  Mine was on the right side of the thyroid.
It disappeared within a year of starting thyroid medication.  That was 30
years ago.

But I'm having trouble with doctor now. My TSH was over 13 (winter check) and
he refused to adjust my medicine.
He says the T4 is normal so the medicine doesn't need adjusting, yet it was
normal last summer and the TSH 2.3X and he adjusted the medicine. I don't
understand.
I've got almost all of the following problems.
http://www.endocrineweb.com/hypo1.html
Fatigue
Weakness
Weight gain or increased difficulty losing weight
Coarse, dry hair
Dry, rough pale skin
Hair loss
Cold intolerance (can't tolerate the cold like those around you)
Muscle cramps and frequent muscle aches
Constipation
Depression
Irritability
Memory loss
Abnormal menstrual cycles
Decreased libido
Hypothyroidism is usually quite easy to treat (for most people)!  The easiest
and most effective treatment is simply taking a thyroid hormone pill
(Levothyroxine) once a day, preferably in the morning. This medication is a
pure synthetic form of T4 which is made in a laboratory to be an exact
replacement for the T4 that the human thyroid gland normally secretes. It
comes in multiple strengths, which means that an appropriate dosage can
almost always be found for each patient. The dosage should be re-evaluated
and possibly adjusted monthly until the proper level is established. The dose
should then be re-evaluated at least annually. If you are on this medication,
make sure your physician knows it so he/she can check the levels at least
yearly.
.
Andy - 12 May 2006 14:20 GMT
In article <445DB0AD.2809A1A4@execulink.com>, J <mdates@invalid.inv>
wrote
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>> I have never had a positive ds Dna.
>
>Don't know what this means

"Double-stranded DNA" - I think :)
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J - 13 May 2006 11:44 GMT
> >> I have never had a positive ds Dna.
> >
> >Don't know what this means
>
> "Double-stranded DNA" - I think :)

okay, so since she's never had a positive is neither here nor there.
J
http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/ASLFAQ/diag.htm
The anti-dsDNA found in 50% of patients with lupus.
Marie Davis - 19 May 2006 02:28 GMT
Hello All,

I been reading some of the replies to the post, and before I read any
of them my first thought was:  Did she grow up near any contaminated
land.  Here in Buffalo, it would have been Love Canal.  Then I got to
reading the post and thought, I was too far off.  It would be
something worth checking into.    Help with you and your daughter.

Hopes this helps.  Good Luck

Marie

>Hi everyone, this is my first post here. I am hoping to get some help in
>getting a diagnosis. I am not good at being brief, but will try very
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>Thanks!@
>Betts
 
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