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RANT. Rant with me! Fatigue and meds are going to make me lose my mind!

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ChelleSmiles - 17 Apr 2006 04:32 GMT
I need to vent, and just hearing from other people who can relate would
help, so here goes:

I am 29.  I am also a self-supporting woman, which means I am single
and have a mortgage to pay, so I must work my full-time job to pay the
bills.  I've dealt with the symptoms of lupus for over 6 years now, but
was only diagnosed as having a rhematoid condition in October 2005.
Until then, I was told it must just be depression even though I had
tons of other weird things going on in my body.

My lupus-related fatigue is terrible lately.  I can't plan to do much
of anything because most of the time I am exhausted.  I barely make it
to work each day, and some days I am a couple of hours late because
it's so hard to get up.  I sleep most of the weekends away...sleeping
over 12 hours at night, usually, and still napping for 3-5 hours after
only being awake for a few hours.  It stresses me out because my house
is becoming a disaster...I can't keep it clean enough...the floors are
disgusting, the bathroom is grimey.  I eat quick,easy meals when I
can....I have a ton of yard work that needs to be done...and on top of
all that is the stuff I WANT to do in the yard and in my house.  I am
sooooo frustrated with it all.  To get exercise, I walk my dog pretty
frequently, but it's hard to last through the walks...I skip days
sometimes.

I've been on Plaquenil for 3 months now with no improvement.  I took
prednisone for 3 weeks with no relief.  I am taking iron because of
anemia.  I am taking levothryoxine for my thyroid.  And last week I
started Methotrexate (MTX) and a Folate tablet to help 'curb' side
effects.  I don't know why they tell you to take it on Saturday...I
guess doctors think being well means you'd prefer to feel crappy on the
weekend, so you can feel well at work?  I don't know.  Anyway, so far
the MTX has done nothing for me.  I am on the low dose and fear the
doctor will only increase my dosage when I tell him it's not helping.
I hate the idea of taking this medicine in the first place.

People don't understand.  "you're too young to be tired."  I'm sure
people think I've been out late partying when I come in late to work.
I got an FMLA form filled out so I can have those times covered
legally, but other people don't know that, and I don't think my boss
really gets this anyway.  He jokes with me about being tired, and I
worry it's going to affect my raise when review time comes.  I worry
that to a lot of people at work I'm just some lazy person who can't get
her butt into work on time every day like most people.

I don't have family support.  My parents live 600 miles away, and my
parents aren't the sympathetic type anyway.  When I told my mom I had
lupus and that it was really upsetting to me her response was, "well it
could be worse."  Yes.  It COULD be.  It's pretty bad now, though.

Just not having people understand is frustrating, and it's hard to get
people to understand even when they want to.  Some people as questions,
and if I tell it like it is I feel like it's going to look like I'm
throwing some huge pity party about how terrible it is for me, and I
don't want sympathy so much as I just want people to understand.

It's hard calling people and telling them I can't make it to an event
because I'm too tired.  To most people that sounds like a cop-out.  I
find myself spacing out when people talk to me.  I have a hard time
seeming enthused about what they're saying because I'm so darn tired
that it takes too much effort to be my usual perky self.

Irony of all ironies:  I keep planning to go to a local support group,
but I'm too tired because it's usually about an hour after I get off
work and on the other side of town.  I need to just go anyway.

I keep searching for information on lupus, but it seems so limited.  I
look to find other people feeling what I feel.  I think we have a lot
of people trying to tell us to cope, and I do.  I really do cope as
much as I can, but even when we cope, sometimes we just need to rant
and let it all out.

So let it all out.  I invite you to rant with me. :-)
Krista - 17 Apr 2006 10:16 GMT
Hi ChelleSmiles -

I'm Krista.

I went through and am still growing through the same exact things you
have and are.  Luckily I had a boss who's wife had Lupus but my
co-workers didn't understand and they complained so I quit. I was to a
point where I couldn't even walk, and I was an investigator so I was
not able to do my job anymore anyway.  When I quit my boss told me he
didn't know how I did what I had done being sick like I was.  It was
nice validation AFTER the fact.  I am currently in the process of
applying for SSI and Social Security Disability, I know I can get it,
it just takes a while.

It's frustrating as hell, I know.  My mother has acted the same way as
your parents.  At least you're not dying she says.  Other people are
sicker than you.  True, but that still doesn't invalidate my illness
for petessake.  But if she has so much as a headache she calls in sick
to work and sleeps all day.  People don't know or understand what we're
going through.  Thank God my sister has really made an effort to
understand and research my illnesses and sympathize with me.  Just a
little support like that helps immensely.  But the coldness and pain
from the indifference or the misunderstanding hurts immensely as well.
I moved 150 miles to be closer to her and she plays card games and such
with my uncle and grandfather and won't barely call me or help me with
anything.  When I first moved here she helped but she doesn't bother
much anymore.  It really upsets me, because my Mom, who divorced my Dad
when I was 3, always ignored me and was out doing something else.  My
entire life, and she still does.  My best friend from high school said
that her mom beat the crap out of her and my mom ignored the crap out
of me.  It really does hurt.  It breaks my heart.  My house is a mess
too, it's embarassing, I'm a neat freak but I just can't keep it all
clean at the same time.  I takes me days to clean just one room!

Oh and the frustration, and anger!

I've punched holes in walls, screamed lounder than any horror movie
victim, ( I actually impressed myself but scared the crap out of the
cats), cried like my best friend died every night, slashed my wrists,
called suicide hotlines, and it all leads up to one thing. There have
been so many times I've just wanted to give up, to just will myself
dead.  I'm so alone.  That's how you feel, alone, isn't it?  That's the
painful part.  The scary part.  The part that you need changed the
most.  No safety net.

Find a nice easy part time job and apply for social security, and if
you have the money go ahead and get a lawyer, it's faster that way.
You can still work part time up to a point while getting ss.  Also you
can apply for food stamps, and get help from a community services place
to help pay your electricity bill or you can fill out a form for Public
Utility Aid.  There's help out there.  I don't know what state you live
in so I'm not sure where you'd call or start, but you can usually start
with the community services at the city or town or county you live in.

And if you ever need me just holler.

Also try a supplement called DHEA.  It really helps your energy, you
can find it in with the vitamins.

Blessed Be.

Krista

Oh yeah, I also threw a plate through a window.  The window broke and
the plate didn't.  Corningware, what can I say?
ChelleSmiles - 17 Apr 2006 15:09 GMT
Thank you.  I needed to read that someone else's frustrations are like
mine.  I haven't done any wall-punching or plate throwing yet. :-) I
have been okay through most of it, but every little thing is chipping
away at me.  Last night I ALMOST burned my hand because I had a wet
oven mitt (not good) when removing something from the oven.  Luckily I
juggled the pan up to the stove top and avoided getting burned, but it
was like a breaking point for me.  I'd had enough...that moment was
totally unrelated to the Autoimmune disease, but I'd slept most of the
day and was like a zombie.  I just started crying when it happened.
I'm so irritated with how things are going.
My doctor is odd, and will only diagnose me with MCTD...because he
wants to leave open the possibility that I may have RA, which I'm
pretty certain I don't have.  You know how you know your own body...and
I have read all the symptoms and such.  I know I'm going to end up with
a definite Lupus Diagnosis, but for some reason my doctor is waiting to
take that step.  I have so many signs and symptoms, not to mention the
bloodwork...the RF, the anemia, the pleurisy, positive SSA, high SED
rate, and the ridiculous fatigue.
It's nice we have this network here on google groups.  I don't know
anyone personally who has lupus, so it's hard to find people who can
relate.

Thanks for ranting, and I hope in some way it made you feel better. :-)
If anything, it was reassuring to me.
Krista - 18 Apr 2006 09:03 GMT
Chelle,

Oh yeah, ranting always makes me feel better.  I'm a quick temper, I
yell and scream and then I'm calm.  I'm that type of person.  I've
always been a fighter, practiced martial arts, stuff like that. I just
express my frustration physically sometimes, boy does my family get mad
at me!  I know how you mean about the little things, and I've had a
straw break my camel's back a few times.  It's the smallest thing, but
in a line of many other little things and yeah, I'll lose it.  My cats
even worry about me when I cry.

Irritation is a symptom of Lupus too, you know.

But it sounds like you may need to look around and see if you can't
find a new rheumatologist.  Even if you have a good gynecologist or
other specialist ask them and they may be able to help you.  I found
mine through the lady here, Larinda, who has exactly what I do.  He's
amazing.  Kept me in his office 5 hours, ran blood tests, x-rays,
sonograms, steroid shots, and diagnosed me, and even identified which
of my joints in my hands were damaged.  Since he had saved Larinda's
life I had alot of faith in him.  They had previously tried to stick me
with RA too but it is Lupus.  It's hard to distinguish because it comes
and goes.

Oh and I'm sorry I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, I do have a degree
in Biology and Environmental Science and a Master's in Environmental
Science.  So I actually took a few pre-med classes as electives, and am
familiar with autoimmune diseases.  And, it's right up my alley,
considering they think it is an environmental factor that plays a big
role in autoimmune diseases.  I'd love to go to work for a Lupus
Foundation!  But you know they'd understand about me being sick!  Haw!

My best friend's name is Michelle and we call her Chelle too.  That's
cool.  If you ever need anything, we're here.  I am so happy to have
found this place.

Take care,

Krista
ChelleSmiles - 19 Apr 2006 14:34 GMT
I know I've written a lot of replies here... :-) (just catching up and
not wanting to miss anyone)

I wish I could find a great Rheumatologist.  I am already on my second
one since December.  The first one kept poking this "pressure points"
(basically she was digging in with her thumb really hard), and when I'd
wince (who wouldn't wince at THAT) she'd mark it as another
'fibromyalgia' point where I was 'tender.'  She was so stuck on the
fibromyalgia thing that she never ran anymore bloodwork, and then told
me to come back in 4 months to see if I was any worse.  I'm was
thinking, "this is your approach?!"  So I left and found this
Rheumatologist.  It's such a journey just getting a new doctor.  He is
okay, but I think he has an odd personality.  He tells me to do what I
can and to let God take care of the rest, which is odd coming from my
doctor.  My joke with my friends is, "I hope God is good at laundry."
My doctor also keeps telling me to shop at Wild Oats, a really
expensive grocery store that sells organic/natural foods.  I want to
ask him if they're paying him to say that.

I have done so much research on my own because of having gone 6 years
with an unknown medical problem, that I joke about having an honorary
medical degree.  The thing is I had never really considered lupus
before because I had read the symptoms and it always mentioned a rash,
which I don't have.  So now I have a lot of reading to do...though I
read everything I can.

If I ever needed a caffeine pill, it's now.  I just took my MTX on
Monday afternoon, and I find that the grogginess I get from it makes me
write somewhat uninelligibly.  :-)  hehe.

That's kinda funny that your best friend's name is Michelle...my best
friend's name is Kristin (not the same, but pretty darn close). :-)

This is a great place.  I can come here and find people who know what I
feel.  It's very comforting.

Michelle
Andy - 19 Apr 2006 17:02 GMT
>I know I've written a lot of replies here... :-) (just catching up and
>not wanting to miss anyone)
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>fibromyalgia thing that she never ran anymore bloodwork, and then told
>me to come back in 4 months to see if I was any worse.

It's probably a good thing to check for - if I recall correctly one
treatment for Fibro is a bad thing if you actually have Lupus. But not
to the exclusion of everything else.
Signature

Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group]
See http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk for more!

ChelleSmiles - 20 Apr 2006 20:06 GMT
I agree.  I don't mind someone checking for something viable, but like
you said, she just didn't listen to anything I had to say because she
was intent on the whole fibromyalgia thing.  A coworker goes to the
same doctor and said that she gets the same thing...talk about FM, and
my co-worker thinks her condition is psoriatric arthritis, which runs
in her family.  I wonder what gets some docs on one track like that?
Krista - 20 Apr 2006 02:19 GMT
Yeah, the Fibromyalgia thing.  I dealt with that for quite a while.
It's just so arbitrary that it's not dependable as a diagnosis or
lifestyle change with the meds and supplements.  All that Fibromyalgia
means is muscle pain.  But almost everyone has trigger point
sensitivity or pain.  Especially if they're digging really hard!
They're not supposed to dig too hard.  You can tell which ones are sore
without having to dig, trust me.  Mine in my hips are horrible.
Anybody checks them and it's always, "yes that hurts!"...  Yeeeowww!!!
Check out some pain doctors, I see one who uses non-surgical ways to
help pain, which include diet, exercise, PT, and nerve block, whatever
you need.  They are the ones who have really helped me more than any
rheumatologist.  I had more results with them than several doctors over
the years.  There are a couple of doctors who I'd like to go up and
kick them in the balls and say, "does that hurt?"  At least get
something from all that money I spent for nothing.  Damn doctors.
There's supposed to be a really good institute in Dallas.  Something
about Environmental Medicine, and I know they have a website.  I'll
have to ask my doctor again and get that website.  They have done alot
of research for autoimmune diseases.

Take care and get some rest Chelle,

Krista
ChelleSmiles - 20 Apr 2006 20:22 GMT
That's the thing...of all my symtoms, pain is NOT one of them.  I don't
have pain in my joints or anywhere.  That's why I left that one doctor,
and that's why I am bewildered at why this doctor I am seeing now keeps
talking about Rheumatoid Arthritis.  I have no joint swelling,
inflammation, or pain.  Nothing hurts.

At most, some days I feel achy or sore...all muscular, but most of my
symptoms are chronic fatigue/exhaustion, anemia, and the thyroid stuff
I have along with my bloodwork that shows I have some kind of
inflammation going on and affirms that I have some type of Rheumatoid
condition...the positive SSA and RF.

I know what you mean about feeling like you don't get anything for the
money you spend at the doc.  Not only that, but time!  All the waiting
to get into the doctor, and I couldn't understand this lady (the first
doctor I saw).  I had blood work done with my first appointment with
her...did a 2 month checkup where she breifly mentioned my Positive SSA
and said something about Sjogren's being a possibility, and then she
went onto something else.  Had I not already read about Sjogren's I
would have had no clue what she was talking about (I had to think to
try to figure out what she'd even said with her accent) because she
didn't bother to explain anything to me.  Sometimes doctors just say
things like we're supposed to be as educated as them and know what
everything means...like my current doctor.  He just sent my Rx to the
inhouse pharmacy at the health care center, and I went to pick it up.
It was Methotrexate.  I had no idea what it was.  I got home and read
about it, and I was like CHEMO drug?!?!!?  I had so many questions like
how he thought it would help me, why he was giving it to me, what the
risks are.  It just seems like something a doctor should mention and
discuss beforehand with a drug like MTX.

But I digress...I will see if I can find that place in Dallas.  I'm
always curious to find more info.  I seem to be in some fuzzy gray
undiagnosable area (along with many other people, from what I
understand).

Take Care, Krista.  Thankfully I'm off work tomorrow, which means I
will be sleeping in !!!
Cindy - 17 Apr 2006 13:39 GMT
Hugs for you both...I wish that I could help you both...But I can only offer
hugs and prayers...
I am indeed one of the lucky ones with a support system and good doctors and
a great family...I did get my SSDI and all...I haven't gotten a Lupus
dx...But I have FM.plus a whole list of other goodies.
Praying for you both...
Hugs Cindy
>I need to vent, and just hearing from other people who can relate would
> help, so here goes:
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>
> So let it all out.  I invite you to rant with me. :-)
ChelleSmiles - 17 Apr 2006 15:13 GMT
Thanks, Cindy,

It is great that you have a great support system...I am also waiting on
a specific lupus dx.  Thanks, and good luck to you, too.

Michelle
Krista - 18 Apr 2006 08:40 GMT
Thanks Cindy.  Hugs are always very nice and helpful.  I don't think I
get enough of them anymore, and I think it's I who keep everyone at
arm's length now.  It's kinda that thing that if they hug you or ask
you how you are or what's wrong you just come unglued.  I don't know
where I picked that up along the way but I think I should offer up hugs
myself, I'm sure I'm not the only person who needs a hug.  And prayers
are ALWAYS good.  I never pray for myself because I feel like I'm being
greedy or self-centered.  

Hugs and Prayers to you and yours,

Krista
candi bowen - 18 Apr 2006 21:01 GMT
Oh my gosh, Krista! You're SUPPOSED to pray for yourself! You're commanded
to - no matter what religion you are. Sometimes I think that's what the
'great sin' is; thinking you're less worthy of prayer than anyone or
anything else. Don't feel greedy! God's got way more than enough good to go
around; you're not going to steal someone else's.

Blessed be to you too.

Candi

> From: "Krista" <kristadp55@valornet.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
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>
> Krista
Nancy F - 17 Apr 2006 18:04 GMT
Chelle,
   Instead of "tired", which only has that "special meaning" <LOL> to us,
try using words like "fatigued", "exhausted", "I feel like the 3rd day of
the flu", etc. With some people in my life I only got through when they
actually *did* have the flu and I made the comparison for them. Of course,
[my rant] 2 weeks later they ask if I'm "better yet", "OK now?" that show
that they don't have a clue what "chronic" means!!!!!!!!!

Nancy F , SoCal, USA
Christ, Chorus, Cats, Computers

>I need to vent, and just hearing from other people who can relate would
> help, so here goes:
janers - 17 Apr 2006 18:21 GMT
Ah Chellismiles.  LOVE that name. I have a niece who I dubbed as
Shelliebells. your names are the same "natural" wise heheh

About your pain, frustration and anxiety,  We all feel for you, have been
there, are there and believe me IT does get better but it takes a many
exasperating times to a doc and different drugs.

You have come a long way already but the MTX (methotrexate) will indeed
help you at some point. It takes a good 6 weeks for some to feel the
effects, and some it takes less, so just think positive on that. Even with
a Positive diagnosis of lupus or not, many of the treatments are the same
for rheumatoid problems as well.
I did my MTX on a friday and believe me ruined a few sat for sure.  I have
heard some people feel no different "LUCKY THEM" but I had to change my day
or my weekend was shot. Since for me seeing my family on weekends is a
must, I went with a tuesday.
Some also say taking it at bedtime or late in the day helps too.  Well I
really can't say about that one.
I know you work full time and taking it on the weekend is the option for
you, but is friday a down day at work?  Meaning slower and less demanding??
Is there a reason your boss could not let you slack off then?  The day
after the MTX???  I think IF you tell him right up front you would be
surprised the amount of understanding some of them have.  So why not try
that option?? Then take the shot and if you get sick at work, or what ever,
they will understand. Tell them the "chemo" drug you take for your illness
is NOT pretty and I am sure they will understand then..  At least a friend
of mine does that and NEVER a question from boss of co workers, always "are
you ok, and can I do anything for you??

Sometimes upfront is better than, OH sh.t another da.. day of this lie.

Hope you feel better.  YOU did smile didn't you?  I do cuss but rarely in
this forum

hugs
janers
ChelleSmiles - 19 Apr 2006 14:02 GMT
Thanks Janers,

I DID smile.  I do cuss--most often when it's just me and no one around
to hear, so I don't find it offensive.

I've been taking my MTX on Monday as soon as I get home from work.
Then I feel dizzy the next few hours before I finally go to bed, and
Tuesday morning is tougher waking up, but I've warned my boss about
this.  I try to remind him that I may need to be an hour or two late on
Tuesday morning, but I try to make a point of not letting it put me
behind on work.  I get a terrible headache from the MTX, but it is
something that I can deal with at work.  I am only in my second week of
the MTX, so I can't really speak about it like I have a lot of
experience, but this is how it's been so far.  I just refused to take
it on Saturday after reading how other people had said the first couple
of days after taking it were the worst for them.  Poo Poo on taking it
on Saturday.  I don't have enough enjoyable time off work as it
is...I'm not about to go sabatoging my own weekend! :-)

Does anyone notice weird stuff after they take MTX like...a couple days
after, my neck and upper back make "snapping" noises almost like I've
been tense, and it's the same snapping I get when I rub my own shoulder
to work out the tension.  Also, I feel like I need to cough for a
couple of days after I take it...my chest gets a little twinge in it.
Of course I also have the hangover headache and the sedated feeling the
first day or two I take it.

Anyway, Thanks Janers.
ChelleSmiles - 19 Apr 2006 13:49 GMT
Nancy, I agree. When I've bothered to try to explain how it feels to
people, I tell them that it's not just tired like I didn't get enough
sleep...it's the exhausted ALL over the body feeling you get when you
have the flu.  I think that has been the closest thing I can get people
to relate to. :-)
Sherry - 17 Apr 2006 20:14 GMT
Venting is good!  Almost everyone on the group has been there and done that.
Some of us are luckier in the fact that we have a "support" system in our
families, or our income, though missed, was not the only income in the home
and we get by.

All we can do is take it one day at a time, get done what we can get done,
and know that we are not alone!

Hugs,
Sherry

>I need to vent, and just hearing from other people who can relate would
> help, so here goes:
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> So let it all out.  I invite you to rant with me. :-)
ChelleSmiles - 19 Apr 2006 14:04 GMT
Sherry, I agree!  Thanks
pellmellwillynilly@hotmail.com - 18 Apr 2006 00:44 GMT
Welcome, ChelleSmiles!

<snip>

> bills.  I've dealt with the symptoms of lupus for over 6 years now, but
> was only diagnosed as having a rhematoid condition in October 2005.
> Until then, I was told it must just be depression even though I had
> tons of other weird things going on in my body.

I can relate to that. My shrinks wouldn't swerve from the depression
diagnosis, although I kept telling them that I was still sleeping too
much while on depression meds. ("Well, you were sleeping because of the
depression, weren't you?" "Yes, and the meds have made me less
depressed. Why am I still sleeping?") I was having to stop in parking
lots between errands to sleep for several hours before getting out of
the car to go in and run the errand. (I still keep a sheet in the back
seat to pull over my head if I need to do sleep in the car.) One night
around 10:15, I was going to wreck the car if the tried to drive the
remaining 10-15 minutes home, so I pulled under a lamp in the parking
lot of a mall and yanked the sheet up. The security guard woke me up at
4 AM as he tried to pound a "No Overnight Parking" notice on my
windshield. He practically jumped out of his skin when I pulled the
sheet down to see what was going on. He hadn't thought anyone was in
the car.

Anyway, I was lucky. After about 4 weeks of Plaquenil, I no longer had
those regular bouts of sleeping in parking lots.

Pell
Beverley - 18 Apr 2006 02:36 GMT
Many years ago my husband was working 16 hour days with a 2.5 hour commute
each way. Often he couldn't make it home at night due to fatigue so he'd
pull into a church parking lot and take a nap. He was almost arrested for
it! (Of course on those nights I'd panic because I was afraid he'd fallen
asleep behind the wheel and was wrapped around a pole someplace where they
wouldn't find him until morning. We lived way out in the country.)
Bev

> Welcome, ChelleSmiles!
>
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> Pell
ChelleSmiles - 19 Apr 2006 14:10 GMT
Pell, that made me laugh picturing a mall security guy freaking out as
someone pops up from under a sheet in their car!  Haha!

My boyfriend works 3rd shift as a police officer, and he just recently
moved into my house.  What's funny is on my days off he gets home from
work about 7AM, so I sleep in with him until about 10 or 11, and then I
get up for a while, and then I'm tired again by 1 or two, so then I get
back in bed with him and sleep for another 2-3 hours in the afternoon.
It's kinda nice that we get to cuddle a little more because I'm so
tired that I HAVE to go back to bed.

Michelle
Beverley - 21 Apr 2006 04:02 GMT
Hey, that sounds like a lupus advantage! That's got to be a first! LOL
Bev

> Pell, that made me laugh picturing a mall security guy freaking out as
> someone pops up from under a sheet in their car!  Haha!
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> Michelle
candi bowen - 18 Apr 2006 20:42 GMT
Aww, I'm so sorry. Isn't it amazing tho that people will take care of their
animals before themselves? I myself do that. Don't think about the dirt &
all that needs to be done - that's just increasing your stress level &
making you worse. Try to imagine how some people live perfectly happy lives
with probably much more dirt than you think you have. Let it go! It'll be
there to clean up when you feel better. And you will. I was dx'd at the same
age & was a fanatic about clean. It nearly killed me. I was a single mom
with a new home; ie bills bills bills. It worked out, eventually. Now I
freak because my house is so nasty, but it's a bit less stressful than
trying to keep everything perfect. So what's better or worse? I dunno. Try
to forget about 'coping', that'll happen all by itself, with time. Just get
the rest you need & ignore other people's attitudes. I had the same problem
at work & with some family - 'but you LOOK so good! Your cheeks are so rosy!
har har). Don't blame them - they don't understand; unless someone's been
there, they can't possibly. Try to do what you enjoy, whether it's reading,
playing with the dog, music, writing, art, etc. & don't feel guilty for
doing it. You WILL feel better.

'Kay, does this allow me to rant when I'm feeling yucky?

Candi

> From: "ChelleSmiles" <tokatoda@yahoo.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
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> So let it all out.  I invite you to rant with me. :-)
ChelleSmiles - 19 Apr 2006 14:20 GMT
Candi---Thanks!  Absolutely, you can rant whenever you want! :-)
 
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