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Mary Rawle - 27 Jan 2006 18:50 GMT
...not to be confused with the computer software...

Hello Everyone,

I have a new landlord (this is a *good* thing), and he is replacing the
windows in the duplex unit in which I live.  He is *so* kind as to ask me
what kind of windows I want!  Isn't that great?  It's an older house with
double-hung multipaned glass windows that are pretty but very energy
inefficient.

So.  He has given me a brochure from BetterBilt windows (this is not an
advertisement).  They make window that will help our place look like it did
before, but with double-paned glass, and I do believe it is a single pane
which has bars within that make it look like multipaned glass.

Under "Window Options" it say "Low Emissivity Glass."    It goes on to say
"...plus most of the sun's damaging ultraviolet light is filtered out,
protecting draperies, furniture, carpet [and lupus patients? {my addition}]
from fading.

So.  Have any of you guys had experience with this "Low Emissivity Glass?"
Would I be able to peek out and see the sun shine?  Little kids in the
neighborhood think I am a witch, because I keep all the windows closed, and
wear mostly black (I'm kidding here). But would I be able to open my
curtains?  that might be a landmark day....

Are they good windows?  Do they really help?  To what degree? What do y'all
think?

Thanks in advance,

Mary
Timothy Luders - 28 Jan 2006 02:08 GMT
> ...not to be confused with the computer software...

> Hello Everyone,

> I have a new landlord (this is a *good* thing), and he is replacing the
> windows in the duplex unit in which I live.  He is *so* kind as to ask me
> what kind of windows I want!  Isn't that great?  It's an older house with
> double-hung multipaned glass windows that are pretty but very energy
> inefficient.

> So.  He has given me a brochure from BetterBilt windows (this is not an
> advertisement).  They make window that will help our place look like it did
> before, but with double-paned glass, and I do believe it is a single pane
> which has bars within that make it look like multipaned glass.

> Under "Window Options" it say "Low Emissivity Glass."    It goes on to say
> "...plus most of the sun's damaging ultraviolet light is filtered out,
> protecting draperies, furniture, carpet [and lupus patients? {my addition}]
> from fading.

> So.  Have any of you guys had experience with this "Low Emissivity Glass?"
> Would I be able to peek out and see the sun shine?  Little kids in the
> neighborhood think I am a witch, because I keep all the windows closed, and
> wear mostly black (I'm kidding here). But would I be able to open my
> curtains?  that might be a landmark day....

> Are they good windows?  Do they really help?  To what degree? What do y'all
> think?

> Thanks in advance,

> Mary

Hi Mair,

Those look like quality windows. Linda and I put in similar last summer. We
leave the drapes open more than we did prior to the upgrade. Lind isn't
super sensitive to the UV so I won't say how much it will help. It will
help some. If It were me I wouldn't sit in the direct sunlight for long
periods of time. Still I'd open up those curtains now and then. Enjoy.

Yeah, it sounds like the new landlord is a good thing.

Timothy
Cynthia Ward - 28 Jan 2006 12:26 GMT
I am happy your new landlord is so nice. make's all the difference. We
will have the keys to our new place on the first I can't wait. The man
is so nice said do what you need we wanted to put a cat door in and he
is fine with that. And there is a closet in living room with no door so
we want to put shelves so looks like a book case he loved that idea.
John is going to build me a ramp because it is about 5 feet off the
ground   and steps are hard. So it is nice to have someone that is so
agreeable. Good luck with the windows. We are putting the solar screens
all around the windows are good the screens will just add that extra
help. Still can't believe he didn't want pet deposit. We will get there
just before the Herons start nesting. I love that. He said there were 28
pairs just on the 2 streets where the house is the whole island is a
bird sanctuary. I love that. And if you cut a tree it has to be a dead
tree and you have to plant a new one right away.
Anyway enjoy your new landlord some can be difficult.
I would move Wed. if physically able but can't and of course sunday is
Super bowl sunday plus today we are moving my sister in law who thinks
moving means the people moving you do the packing and moving no one
likes moving her. So we hate asking our nephew's to move us a week or  2
weeks later plus all ours has to go up stairs )0:
John has a friend at work that will help but not till the week after
Super bowl

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Beverley - 28 Jan 2006 13:54 GMT
Oh, are those windows going to make a big difference! Wish we could put them
in this old house. (Historic commission will not allow them.)

I don't think I'd sit in the sunlight streaming through but to be able to
allow the light in would be wonderful.

If my memory serves me correctly and it probably doesn't there are two
harmful lights, UV and UB? This is only going to eliminate one of them but
does the other automatically become reduced as it passes through glass?

Maybe J will jump in here and straighten us out. She so good at this stuff.
Bev

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> Mary
William R  Thompson - 28 Jan 2006 14:21 GMT
> If my memory serves me correctly and it probably doesn't there are two
> harmful lights, UV and UB? This is only going to eliminate one of them but
> does the other automatically become reduced as it passes through glass?

UV-A, UV-B and UV-C (also know as EUV, for Extreme Ultra-Violet).

When you look at a rainbow, you're looking at the visible part of the
electromagnetic spectrum.  If I could do anything fancy with text,
I'd lay out the colors, but the spectrum looks like this:

(radio
waves)(microwaves)(infrared)(red)(orange)(yellow)(green)(blue)(indigo)(violet)(UVA)(UVB)(UVC)(X-rays)(gamma
rays)

<--- (least amount of energy at this end)--*--(more energy at this end)--->

If your eyes could see infrared and UV, a rainbow would look
wider than normal.

UV-A is the least energetic, longest wavelength of UV light.  It's the next
"color" of the spectrum, just beyond violet.  It passes through glass.

UV-B is a more energetic part of the UV spectrum.  Glass blocks it,
but it will pass through quartz (as in "quartz-halogen lamps".)

UV-C is the most energetic form of UV light; the next step beyond
them is soft X-rays.  UV-C is part of sunlight, but it's blocked by
the atmosphere.  It's only a problem if you're in outer space and
aren't inside a space ship or wearing a space suit--in which case you
have bigger problems than light.

--Bill Thompson
Mary Rawle - 28 Jan 2006 15:32 GMT
Hey, you're up on your physics!  Are those C-rays going to be a problem with
our depleting ozone layer? or is that something else?

And thanks, what you said just clarifies what the window brochure
demonstrates in pictures.  Also it shows light going through the glass and
heat bouncing off... that seems like an engery efficient mechanism, but
isn't that "greenhouse effect" as well?

Thanks in Advance

Mary Rawle

>> If my memory serves me correctly and it probably doesn't there are two
>> harmful lights, UV and UB? This is only going to eliminate one of them
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> --Bill Thompson
J - 28 Jan 2006 17:13 GMT
http://www.energy.state.md.us/energysources/energyefficiency/residential/windows.htm
ENERGY EFFICIENCY for RESIDENTIAL
Windows

Expensive new windows have a limited potential for reducing your energy bill. Even if you replaced single-pane
wood windows with the smartest windows tested, you would see only a modest drop in heating and cooling costs. But
you may need new windows because you have remodeled or because the old windows are past their prime. Then it
makes sense to choose durable windows that keep out wind and water and that offer high thermal performance.

An old window, such as a pane of glass in a wood frame, lets heat escape through the glass itself and through
gaps and cracks in the frame. A double-glazed (insulated glass) window with a frame of vinyl or wood clad in
aluminum or vinyl is a smart window. The new frame and the extra pane of glass cut heat loss. Smarter still is
the window made with special glass panes coated to optimize your home's heat in winter: double glass with inert
gas between the panes, or a heat-blocking film sandwiched between the glass. You also can make a dumb window
smarter with weather-stripping and caulking, or add a storm window--either a permanent one or a temporary one.
But what if you need to replace the window because the frame has deteriorated or because you are remodeling?

Here are some tips:

Window-shopping: Frame

The frame has a significant effect on a window's thermal performance, price, and upkeep. Wood frames, plain or
clad in vinyl or aluminum, tend to be more expensive than all vinyl. Plain wood, of course, needs to be painted.
Clad wood requires minimal maintenance.

Aluminum is a good heat conductor. Even an aluminum-framed window that is "thermally broken," with insulation
between the interior and exterior parts, conducts more heat than does vinyl-framed or wood-framed windows. In
cold weather, heat inside the house travels readily through the frame to the outdoors making the indoor side of
the window feel cold to the touch. In a temperate climate, an aluminum frame may be a practical choice, but it
won't offer the best thermal protection in cold winters.

Better quality vinyl windows have welded corners. Other windows may have corners that are screwed together. These
are best avoided since they are less likely to be airtight and watertight, and the corners may start to pull
apart after being exposed to heat and cold.
Window Shopping: Glass

The glass you choose affects a window's price and performance:

Single-pane

In cold climates and hot ones, single-pane windows are best reserved for garages and other spaces that don't
require heating or cooling. However, single-panes may be adequate in areas with brief heating and
air-conditioning seasons.
Double-pane

Most new homes have this type. It consists of two sealed panes, usually separated by an aluminum spacer that
includes a desiccant to keep moisture from condensing between the panes. Once moisture does condense between the
panes, the only way to get rid of it is to replace the glass.
Argon-filled

In a regular double-glazed window, air fills the gap between the panes. A step up in thermal performance and
price are windows filled with an inert gas, usually argon. Argon-filled glazing achieves its optimum performance
with a half-inch space between panes. Air-filled windows perform best with a space of one-half to one inch.

Low-e glass

Low-e, shorthand for low-emissivity, refers to a coating that alters the way the glass transmits visible and
invisible light. Much of the sun's radiant energy passes through ordinary glass and warms the objects in a room.
In the winter, a warm room re-radiates energy back through the window to the outdoors as long-wave infrared
radiation. Some experts say that such long-wave infrared accounts for as much as 60 percent of the heat lost
through a window. A low-e coating helps reduce heat loss in the winter and heat gain in the summer by blocking
nearly all the long-wave infrared. Some low-e coatings, designed for hot climates or southern exposures, reduce
the buildup of heat from the sun. Other low-e coatings meant for cold climates allow more of the sun's warmth
into the house.

Triple-pane

Triple-pane windows provide better insulating ability than a plain double-pane, but few manufacturers offer them
because they are heavy and costly.
Suspended-film

These are used by some window manufacturers and are a variation of the triple-pane. It sandwiches a polyester
film between two pieces of glass. The film, which has a low-e coating, provides extra insulation without adding
significantly to the double-pane window's weight and thickness.
Window-shopping: Numbers
Thermal Performance

Most manufacturers use the term "U-value" as a measure of insulating ability. We've used the more familiar
R-value (the U-value divided into the number 1). Some manufacturers quote numbers that are supposed to tell you
how well a window retains heat. The makers have different ways to test windows or report the results, so the
numbers are difficult to compare. Only California now requires windows to be certified according to a standard
test method developed by the National Fenestration Rating Council.

Durability

Glass makers participating in a program run by the Insulated Glass Certification Council subject insulated glass
to tests that expose the glazing and its seals to heat, cold, and water. Glazing that passes three test segments
earns a "CBA" mark which is etched on a corner of the glass or stamped on the edge of the spacer. Models with a
"CB" have passed two identical tests; and models marked "C" have passed one test.

Shading Coefficient

Literature for some windows lists a shading coefficient--a measure of the window's ability to control the amount
of sunlight that passes through. Low numbers provide more shade; higher numbers, less shade. Floridians, whose
cooling bills are taxed by the summer sun, should look for a low shading coefficient. Northerners, who want to
make the most of the sun's warmth in winter, should look for a high shading coefficient.

Daylight Transmission

Low-e coatings and similar treatments can affect the amount of light entering a room. Some manufacturers provide
a "visible light" or "daylight transmission" number to help you compare different types of glazing. Untreated
double-pane windows typically admit about 82 percent of visible light; low-e glass emit no more than 79 percent.
But numbers like those may be hard to relate to real life.

If you think new windows might block too much sunlight, ask the retailer whether you can take a sample of the
glass home.
William R  Thompson - 29 Jan 2006 09:17 GMT
> Hey, you're up on your physics!  Are those C-rays going to be a problem
> with our depleting ozone layer? or is that something else?

UV-C is absorbed by regular oxygen as well as by ozone, so ozone
depletion shouldn't be a problem there.

> And thanks, what you said just clarifies what the window brochure
> demonstrates in pictures.  Also it shows light going through the glass and
> heat bouncing off... that seems like an energy efficient mechanism, but
> isn't that "greenhouse effect" as well?

Yes; that's how greenhouses work.  Window glass reflects most infrared
light, which is radiated heat.

--Bill Thompson
J - 28 Jan 2006 16:06 GMT
William R Thompson wrote:

> > If my memory serves me correctly and it probably doesn't there are two
> > harmful lights, UV and UB? This is only going to eliminate one of them but
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> aren't inside a space ship or wearing a space suit--in which case you
> have bigger problems than light.

1) What do you know about these plastic shiedls, Bill?

2) Could you please post all this PDF (under new topic "Skin (Cutaneous) Lupus)" ?
Include the source , please.
J

http://www.milupus.org/pdf/Cutaneous%20handout.pdf
What are the environmental triggers? Photosensitivity (sensitivity to light and other forms of radiation) is a
major factor in the induction of most skin lupus. It is extremely important to recognize this and realize that
this means an adjustment in lifestyle, not just the use of sunscreen. Photosensitivity may occur 365 days a
year,
on cloudy as well as sunny days.
Ultraviolet radiation that affects lupus is divided into UVA and UVB. The UVB rays are those that we normally
associate with sunburn and tans. The UVA rays penetrate more deeply into the skin and do not cause redness
or burn. Therefore, they are more insidious and less likely to be noted by you as the trigger for your lupus.

Furthermore, UVA rays are present winter and summer, from dusk until dawn. It is imperative to reduce your
exposure to these rays by limiting unnecessary outdoor activity, wearing double layers of clothing, wide
brimmed hats, or special sun protective clothing, wearing a broad-spectrum UVA-UVB protective sunscreen
every day all year round, preferably SPF 30, and reapply frequently. UVA rays penetrate through window glass,
are generated by halogen and fluorescent bulbs, and are emitted from CRT computer screens. Make sure your
windows have plastic shields in them (most thermal windows do), use fluorescent and halogen fixtures that are
plastic encased, and use a polarizing screen over your computer's CRT. If you are on any medications such as
diuretics (water pills), antibiotics, anti-inflammatory pills, hormones (including birth control pills) that
may
increase photosensitivity, alert your doctor and be especially careful.

Smoking has recently been shown to be a factor in skin lupus and smoke cessation should be undertaken with the
help of your doctor to ensure
that it is successful. Secondary smoke should also be avoided. Eating a healthy, balanced diet is also very
important. Alternative medicines and
supplements should be discussed with your doctor. Beware of the many unsupported claims on the internet. They
can be dangerous if interpreted
without the advice of your doctor.

ANDREW G. FRANKS, JR., M.D., F.A.C.P.
Clinical Professor of Dermatology
Attending in Rheumatology
Chief, Connective Tissue Disease Clinic
New York University School of Medicine
William R  Thompson - 29 Jan 2006 09:10 GMT
> William R Thompson wrote:

>> UV-C is part of sunlight, but it's blocked by
>> the atmosphere.  It's only a problem if you're in outer space and
>> aren't inside a space ship or wearing a space suit--in which case you
>> have bigger problems than light.

And it turns out that there are UV-C generators that are used to
sterilize water, processed foods and surfaces.  See

http://www.lenntech.com/will1.htm

That would make me careful around any sterilizing gizmo that uses
UV light.  Okay, it would make me run for cover.

> 1) What do you know about these plastic shields, Bill?

Not much.  They're supposed to be highly efficient at reducing
UV levels.  If I did the math right, they reduce sunlight's UV levels
to the equivalent of what you'd get from those forty-watt
fluorescent tubes.  A friend in Australia told me he had a problem
with them.  Plastic degrades under sunlight, and after a year or
so the plastic had lost a lot of its efficiency.  It may last longer
under less-intense sunlight, but I'd want to check its reliability
every so often.  I haven't seen a window-film site that mentions
this degradation.

--Bill Thompson
J - 28 Jan 2006 16:14 GMT
> Maybe J will jump in here and straighten us out. She so good at this stuff.

I wish BJ was here.
They renovated an area of their home and replaced windows so she would be safe.
I don't know windows enough to say really.
But thanks for asking.
Hugs
J
Wende - 29 Jan 2006 02:07 GMT
we recently replaced our windows with  double paned glass that is Low E,
and does't allow the uv rays in the house. Multipaned,"lights" are in
between the two panes  Which makes them look like they have multipanes.
They also have some kind of gas in the middle of them. They are very well
sealed, and insulated. No more wind seeping around the windows.  They are
tinted, you cannot see into the house in the daytime. You can see some light
from the outside at night but you cannot see into the house.
I like them very much.  They tilt in for cleaning, which is a nice feature.
They double lock. Locks at the middle of the window, and the bottom. Also a
nice safety feature. They are pricey, but worth the expense for us.
We have no curtains on any of our windows. Just the plantation shutters,
which we open in the daytime to let the natural light in the house. I hope
you enjoy your new windows. Wende

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