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Beverley - 20 Sep 2004 04:08 GMT
Well, I broke down today and decided I really needed a pair of jeans. Mine
are just too loose! I went to Walmart and bought one pair. I need more than
just jeans - everything is too big on me. This is going to get expensive -
can see that coming and quickly.

My BP is still not down as far as it should be but I go to the doc this
Thursday so maybe he'll up the med or something. I've been so good about my
diet and virtually no salt. Sometimes I get frustrated because some things
need a little salt to taste good. A few times I wanted salt so badly I could
have just tipped the salt shaker into my mouth. I decided that my salt
intake was way too low so I increased it a wee bit.

I did find some lettuce seeds the other day so I will plant them hopefully
tomorrow. That will assure me a late crop of lettuce if I can protect it
from the cold. I've become such a rabbit!! Wait until my husband sees the
straw bale cold frame I am about to build. LOL

I dragged my lunch to work with me the other day and they kids all wanted my
lunch! Lunch for me is a slightly modified chef's salad. Lots of lettuce,
some tomato, cucumber if I have it, a hard boiled egg, maybe a slice of ham
(280 mg salt) and a sprinkle of cheese worth another 100 mgs. I do like my
salads but I miss putting things like black olives on it.

Does anyone know if I can eat pork if I have hypertension? Or is that an old
wives tale? Dinner is usually a little beef or chicken and more salad.

I've also had some nasty headaches lately. Don't know why. I've taken
aspirin and that helps.  I thought BP meds should help to keep headaches
away.

I've got to talk to the doctor about my joints they hurt especially in the
morning when I first get up. My husband can hear them clicking across the
room when I walk! I've always had bad knees but this is unreal!!

Why am I light-headed? Is that still coming from the BP meds? It's not all
the time just once in a while.

Just whining tonight.
Bev
Shelagh - 20 Sep 2004 04:59 GMT
"Beverley"  wrote in message
> Well, I broke down today and decided I really needed a pair of jeans. Mine
> are just too loose! I went to Walmart and bought one pair. I need more
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Just whining tonight.
> Bev

Hi Bev
Re the pork? you can eat it as long as it is not 'smoked' as in ham, bacon,
sausages and the like cause you have a high sodium level with all of them
(obviously).... otherwise it is much like rules for chicken and beef.... it
is all in the moderation.
Light headed feelings can be related to many things, not just bp... best get
that checked by your doc....
and wow, you should be very proud of yourself girl!
Having to buy 'smaller sized' clothes IMO is a real 'feat' and with all your
dietary changes you will probably maintain easily as well so enjoy your
shopping cause more than likely you will be wearing the new stuff a good
long time!
Good going, you rock girl!
Whine all you like.. we are all here for that reason at different times
... so while I am here I will pass you the cheese while having some myself!
As a canuck I am known as a 'cheesehead' and for good reason; I love it LOL!
Hugs from BC
~Shelagh~
Beverley - 21 Sep 2004 00:24 GMT
You can't pass me the cheese - too high in sodium!! Actually I do a wee bit
of cheese about 1/2 an ounce with my chef's salad. I miss the cheeses and
the other dairy products. I love yogurt but it's too high in salt, sugar and
other carbohydrates. But the cheese is a real problem and like you it was a
mainstay of my diet before all this no salt stuff! Sometimes I just want
something so I have a bite. Not ten bites! LOL

I don't think anything I'm buying now will fit me in another few months. I
probably have another 40 pounds to lose before I need to worry about being
too thin. LOL But the weight is coming off slowly. Maybe I should invest in
suspenders? LOL
Bev

> Hi Bev
> Re the pork? you can eat it as long as it is not 'smoked' as in ham, bacon,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Hugs from BC
> ~Shelagh~
Shelagh - 21 Sep 2004 00:27 GMT
"Beverley" <beverly.brown28@verizon.net> wrote in message
> You can't pass me the cheese - too high in sodium!! Actually I do a wee
> bit
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> mainstay of my diet before all this no salt stuff! Sometimes I just want
> something so I have a bite. Not ten bites! LOL

Oh sure you can have some bev!
... it is virtual cheese and is low cal, low salt and low carbs....
it is really good for you LOL! so make sure you indulge with your 'whine'!
hugs..... Shelagh
Beverley - 21 Sep 2004 00:55 GMT
Hmmmm, virtual cheese to go with my pine bark and leaf diet? LOL
Bev

> "Beverley" <beverly.brown28@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > You can't pass me the cheese - too high in sodium!! Actually I do a wee
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> it is really good for you LOL! so make sure you indulge with your 'whine'!
> hugs..... Shelagh
Mair - 22 Sep 2004 00:37 GMT
"Virtual cheese"--will someone explain this to me...

ignorantly yours,
Mair

> "Beverley" <beverly.brown28@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > You can't pass me the cheese - too high in sodium!! Actually I do a wee
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> it is really good for you LOL! so make sure you indulge with your 'whine'!
> hugs..... Shelagh
Beverley - 22 Sep 2004 04:37 GMT
"Pretend" cheese. You are having a bad day!
Bev

> "Virtual cheese"--will someone explain this to me...
>
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> > it is really good for you LOL! so make sure you indulge with your 'whine'!
> > hugs..... Shelagh
Andy - 22 Sep 2004 09:45 GMT
>"Virtual cheese"--will someone explain this to me...

It's emailed cheese... as contrasted with cheesy emails :)
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Andy - 21 Sep 2004 11:28 GMT
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>I don't think anything I'm buying now will fit me in another few months. I
>probably have another 40 pounds to lose before I need to worry about being
>too thin. LOL But the weight is coming off slowly. Maybe I should invest in
>suspenders? LOL

"Two countries separated by a common language"...
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Beverley - 22 Sep 2004 01:45 GMT
So what do you use for weighing a person?  It used to be stone.
Bev

> [
> >
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>
> "Two countries separated by a common language"...
Andy - 22 Sep 2004 09:47 GMT
>So what do you use for weighing a person?  It used to be stone.

Depends who is doing the weighing and how old they are. The medical
profession now takes the measurements in kilograms and converts it back
to stones and pounds for the more mature patient so they know what it
is!
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Deb - 20 Sep 2004 09:57 GMT
Bev, just a thought, are you getting enough vitamin c, plus you need to make
sure your drinking enough water; you may be getting dehydrated which could
explain the headaches.My husband gets dizzy spells with his bp meds
sometimes, but has never really suffered from headaches.
hope this helps,
debi
xx
> Well, I broke down today and decided I really needed a pair of jeans. Mine
> are just too loose! I went to Walmart and bought one pair. I need more than
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Just whining tonight.
> Bev
Beverley - 21 Sep 2004 00:38 GMT
I drink something constantly, water, ice tea, coffee, something is always
nearby in the form of liquid! I've always been a juice drinker and now that
is gone. So I bought a package of little orange juice cartons. I can open a
little carton and pour just a sip. Then I don't open a big carton and have
it sit and lose the vit C. Usually my husband will drink the little
container after I've opened it. I tend to follow cravings as I think our
body craves what it needs. My desire for fruit went way up so if I have an
ounce or two once in a while that's okay. This summer I was drinking more
iced tea with lemon in it but as it has cooled down I'm not drinking as much
iced tea so not as much lemon. Guess I should just take some Vit C tablets
but it's much more fun to drink it!
Bev

> Bev, just a thought, are you getting enough vitamin c, plus you need to make
> sure your drinking enough water; you may be getting dehydrated which could
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> debi
> xx
Andy - 20 Sep 2004 10:54 GMT
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>I did find some lettuce seeds the other day so I will plant them hopefully
>tomorrow.

Maybe plant a few of them at say 4-day intervals? - you don't need 100
lettuces all ready at once :)
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Beverley - 21 Sep 2004 00:47 GMT
The lettuce I got was Simpson and it doesn't form a head so I can just keep
picking the outer leaves. But I'll probably plant about 1/2 of it and then
plant the other half more towards Feb unless I happen to lose what I have to
the cold. I also bought some spinach so I can mix some baby spinach leaves
into my salad. I haven't found any other "lettuce" seeds locally.

Unfortunately I didn't get them in the ground today, maybe tomorrow.

This bunny rabbit needs her fresh supply of lettuce and tomatoes!! Tomatoes
will be a bigger problem as the season wears on. I might try to put a tomato
cutting into my cold frame.
Bev

> [
> >I did find some lettuce seeds the other day so I will plant them hopefully
> >tomorrow.
>
> Maybe plant a few of them at say 4-day intervals? - you don't need 100
> lettuces all ready at once :)
REP - 20 Sep 2004 11:44 GMT
> I've also had some nasty headaches lately. Don't know why. I've taken
> aspirin and that helps.  I thought BP meds should help to keep headaches
> away.

Most BP meds will cause terrible headaches at first. I have very low BP
(80/40 on a good day; lower on bad ones) but take Cozaar for the
kidney-protecting side-effects; for the first month after starting it I
thought I'd die of the headaches but they did go away.

Low BP/very low BP is the cause of headaches as well, though they tend
to be of the low-level nagging sort, not the powerful mind-blowers of
ACEI/ARB therapy. Be careful when standing up; do it slowly. Even though
your BP is likely in the normal/high normal range, it's probably low
*for you* and until you adjust, rising abruptly can cause headaches,
dizziness and near-fainting.

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janers - 20 Sep 2004 15:44 GMT
Hi Bev,
well girl you are doing "fab" and sticking to it.  That is wonderful and
you should be so very proud of  yourself too.

About the headaches, like they all mentioned it could be due to many things
and needs to be told to the doctor.  BUT it also might mean you are
"missing" something in your diet too.  I suggest after you tell the doctor,
to call someone like a dietician at a clinic or hospital and mention the
low salt diet and ask for some advice.  Now they may say, you need an order
for them to do that, but I doubt it very much.
It is all a matter of change of habit in your intake and what you are
missing.

I do know sometimes that the meds will do that but you have been on the bp
med for long enough to have them headaches dimish by now.  I for the life
of me can not remember the drug?  If you look it up on www.rxlist.com see
if it is a nitrate type drug or side effects such as headaches. And
remember our talk on the phone, your bp will go up with LOTS of stuff but
the average is the one you look at.
Plus since weight loss it might get even better for you.
Lake of salt sometimes works to our disadvantage too, so watch out about
that.  Has something to do with potassium too and PLEASE do not take
potassium unless ORDERED by a doctor.  Some feel it is good for you but it
is VERY Hard on heart and kidneys as well.  Over the counter is NOT a good
thing unless supervised by the doc and ordered.

please keep in touch
hugs
janers
WAY TO GO BEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beverley - 21 Sep 2004 00:12 GMT
BP is still running a wee bit high. It seems to average about 115/90 but
sometimes the bottom number hits the 100 mark.

I use Morton light salt (sodium/potassium mix) and have for years. Most
people get too much sodium and not enough potassium. The need to combine the
two in our diet has been known for years but people still use straight
sodium. I can't remember what the ratio should be but  if you have too much
sodium and not enough potassium you can have big problems. Of course now I'm
hardly using anything. I'm a little concerned about the lack of iodine being
I don't eat any seafood. Goiters run rampant through our family.

I've got a great dietician at the health dept.. she's free ($$$) and very
nice!!

I'm taking Norvasc 5 mg before I go to bed each night. (It does not contain
any diuretic.)
Bev

> Hi Bev,
> well girl you are doing "fab" and sticking to it.  That is wonderful and
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> janers
> WAY TO GO BEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
janers - 21 Sep 2004 04:47 GMT
Bev
the most common side effect of Norvasc is HEADACHE.  I think you need to
either get that drug changed to something else, especially if the diastolic
is running that high.  It is not doing the job then cause the diastolic
should be at least below 75 they say now.

more side effects of that drug

Cardiovascular: Arrhythmia (including ventricular tachycardia and atrial
fibrillation), bradycardia, chest pain, hypotension, peripheral ischemia,
syncope, tachycardia, postural dizziness, postural hypotension.

so you might be experiencing lows that are causeing that and IT IS NOT
stabalizing, so call that doc.

Please get it checked out before you pass out for sure.
hugs
janers
herbwormwood - 24 Sep 2004 21:42 GMT
Hi,
Glad to hear the diet is going well.
I also have a low salt diet, but since my kidney health is now okay I use a
little Lo-Salt and also herb salt in cooking. I eat no processed foods
whatsoever. Processed foods contain a lot of sodium. Ready meals, tinned
food, packet food. Very unhealthy stuff.
The Lo Salt contains potassium. You can also obtain potassium in bananas.
If you have a big change in your diet and feel faint, is there any chance you
could be anemic? Anemia can cause faint feelings.
I get anemic as part of my condition but it can be diet related too. Not
enough iron and not enough of certain minerals can cause it.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:12:05 +0100, Beverley wrote
(in article <9tJ3d.5388$je.1893@trnddc04>):

> BP is still running a wee bit high. It seems to average about 115/90 but
> sometimes the bottom number hits the 100 mark.
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>> janers
>> WAY TO GO BEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beverley - 21 Sep 2004 00:52 GMT
My head was killing me this morning and my BP was not low!! I've wondered
about my glasses but if that was it - well, then it should be a constant
headache.

Oh, yeah, I don't do anything fast or I get real dizzy. Especially if I lean
over to do something. Whoa!!! I've been on this med since June 3 - I think
by now I should be acclimated to it.
Bev

> > I've also had some nasty headaches lately. Don't know why. I've taken
> > aspirin and that helps.  I thought BP meds should help to keep headaches
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> *for you* and until you adjust, rising abruptly can cause headaches,
> dizziness and near-fainting.
Nicole H - 21 Sep 2004 04:41 GMT
sodium induced hypertension depends on the person.  salt may or not affect
you at all.
i'm fortunate that i have really low blood pressure 107/57 saturday.... so i
salt away.
hypertension runs in my family
wtg on the weight loss
nicole
Beverley - 22 Sep 2004 04:04 GMT
I've watched what I've eaten and I can't say to makes a whole bunch of
difference. If I've eaten something high in salt it might show up 24 hours
later in my BP or right away then again it might not show up at all. I can't
figure it out.
Bev

> sodium induced hypertension depends on the person.  salt may or not affect
> you at all.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> wtg on the weight loss
> nicole
Beverley - 22 Sep 2004 04:30 GMT
UH, OH! Doc appt is this coming Monday not Thursday! Darn it!

I had on a pair of pants today that used to be tighter on me. They were my
"slimmer" pants last winter, brown cords, very comfortable. There is elastic
in the waist so they stay up but they are hanging on me! I won't even bother
trying on my other cords.

Of course today started out cool and wound up hot. So by 3 PM I was dying of
heat! I should have put the tee shirt on under the sweatshirt but that would
have been too much this morning. Virginia weather!!!

This is a lousy way to lose weight. But thanks for all the encouragement and
well wishes guys!! It's slow but maybe by next year this time I'll be slim.
Bev
BJ - 23 Sep 2004 00:10 GMT
Hi Bev,
I can't help you with your questions. The only thing I know is that pork is
okay, ham isn't. I just wanted to tell you that I think you are doing an
amazing job with your weight loss. Good for you.
BJ-Sk. Canada
> Well, I broke down today and decided I really needed a pair of jeans. Mine
> are just too loose! I went to Walmart and bought one pair. I need more than
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Just whining tonight.
> Bev
Beverley - 23 Sep 2004 03:47 GMT
Actually, I do eat a little ham. I buy the low salt deli (sandwich) ham. And
as long as I don't have but 1 or 2 thin (shaved) slices on my salad I'm OK.
That's less than an ounce so that is not much at all. I think I've driven
the folks behind the counter at the deli nuts asking them to read the sodium
content of all the different lunch meats. It's amazing how much they vary
from brand to brand!!  I can buy a half pound (8 ounces) of low salt ham and
get 3 sandwiches for the granddaughter out of it plus what I use on my
salads. She get a whole lot more on her sandwiches. So I'm sure I'm well
under an ounce per day. But I have not had a regular ham, as in a dinner
ham. Which I miss, and always loved. And I've not had any pork. I know pork
used to be a big no-no but I have no idea why.

This is a crappy way to lose weight. I just hope maybe you are gaining a few
of the pounds I've lost! I'd like to send you a few more of mine.

I do really miss certain things but like I said before if I really want
something I'll have a taste. I've taken a nip off a cookie and then gave the
cookie my granddaughter. I've had a bite of cake - enough to taste it. But I
don't do that all the time. Sometimes when I do that I decide something is
way too sweet! But I tried it so I don't feel deprived.

Sometimes I get really hungry!! But I was never a junk food junkie. I love
my breads, pastas and potatoes. I miss some of that. I will admit I've
always been a cookie monster especially when it comes to homemade cookies. I
don't want to think about things like cheesecake! LOL

No, the hardest thing is getting the salt out of the diet. Everything has
salt in it!! Anything pre-made is soaked in salt. Meals out are almost
impossible due to the amount of salt. I really have been very careful about
the salt. What makes this so hard is knowing I'll never be able to go back
to eating like a normal person. This is a forced life-style change. There is
no cheating. If I have a taste of something then it has to count towards the
whole day's intake.

Maybe I'll write a book on 1000 Salad Dressing Recipes that are low in salt,
etc. LOL
Bev

> Hi Bev,
> I can't help you with your questions. The only thing I know is that pork is
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> >
> > Does anyone know if I can eat pork if I have hypertension? Or is that an

> old
> > wives tale? Dinner is usually a little beef or chicken and more salad.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > Just whining tonight.
> > Bev
 
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