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Autoimmune & New Curad Silver Band-Aid Thoughts

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Maggie - 24 May 2004 19:54 GMT
Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
antibacterial agent. I got two boxes of them free after rebate & upon
reading them, I just have my doubts that I want to put them on an open
wound.

We've talked about gold & copper before...any thoughts on silver &
possibly allowing it into our direct bloodstream or even by way of
osmosis?

Maggie
J - 24 May 2004 20:57 GMT
> Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
> They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
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>
> Maggie

I can't remember what was said about gold and copper, but unless you're
covering yourself daily with them, shouldn't be a problem?

Interesting subject though.
There's a can of worms you've opened. Because apparently some topicals or
eyedrops have had some form of silver in them for years.
Silver nitrate in eyedrops causes irritation in newborns
http://health.discovery.com/diseasesandcond/encyclopedia/2717.html
The silver nitrate drops put in newborns' eyes to prevent infection can
also cause mild irritation. This goes away by itself in a day or two
without lasting damage.
http://www.henryfordhealth.org/12556.cfm
Because of the significance of neonatal conjunctivitis, all hospitals
(most required by State law) routinely use silver nitrate or antibiotic
drops, such as erythromycin, in the newborn´s eyes to prevent disease.
Silver nitrate is no longer commonly used and has been mostly replaced by
antibiotic eye drops.

Next topicals
http://www.medbc.com/annals/review/vol_15/num_3/text/vol15n3p116.asp
COMPARISON OF SILVER SULPHADIAZINE 1 PER CENT

http://yalesurgery.med.yale.edu/surgery/sections/plastics/Core%20Curriculum%20Pa
ges/Burns%20Page/BurnAns6.html
>

What are the advantages and disadvantages of sulfamylon, silvadene, and
silver nitrate?
Silver sulfadiazine: the most frequently used topical agent. It was
introduced in the early 1970's by Fox. It is supplied in a water-soluble
base at a concentration of 1%.
Silver nitrate (0.5% solution): Silver nitrate solution is not toxic in a
0.5% concentration, but it has a significant antimicrobial effect. It was
introduced in 1965 by Moyer. It is a broad-spectrum agent; development of
resistance to the silver ion is distinctly uncommon

http://www.internurse.com/cgi-bin/go.pl/library/contents.html?uid=921&journal_uid=10

( can't read the pdf, but there's a shrrt version there
British Journal of Community Nursing, Vol. 6, Iss. 8 (Silver Suppl 1), 03
Aug 2001, pp 3 - 8
While silver and its compounds have been medically used for thousands of
years, the recent research focus on this element has led to a resurgence
in interest, particularly in the field of wound care product development.
The increasing problems of antibiotic resistance, combined with concerns
over the safety and toxicity of topical antiseptics,

http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section7.htm
Recent clinical experience with the use of a pure silver delivery system,
which can maintain both anti-microbial control and provide an ideal wound
healing environment, have been very positive, especially when compared to
the use of the topical antibiotic cream, silver sulfadiazine (or
antibiotic solutions)

There's a bit here about how the FDA says that the % of colloidal silver
could be dangerous (I think that's "altie")
http://www.internationalrosaceafoundation.org/nonprescription_3.html

The Role of Topical Antibiotics in Dermatologic Practice
... infection rates of traumatic wounds sutured in the emergency room, use
of topical
antibiotics (bacitracin zinc ointment; TAO; silver sulfadiazine cream ...
www.medscape.com/viewprogram/2501_pnt  (I don't subscribe to Medscape -
just showing a different silver ....sulfadiazine).

So anyone's skin gets worse with bandaids or creams, maybe look for
patterns of ingredients and avoid the ones that have common ingredients?
J
J - 24 May 2004 20:59 GMT
> Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
> They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
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>
> Maggie

I have a joke for you. -speaking of patches and bandaids....

During a patient's two week follow-up appointment with his cardiologist,
he informed me, his doctor, that he was having trouble with one of his
medications.
Which one?" I asked. The patch. The nurse told me to put on a new one
every six hours and now I'm running out of places to put it!" I had him
quickly undress and discovered what I hoped I wouldn't see. Yes, the man
had over fifty patches on his body! Now the instructions include removal
of the old patch before applying a new one.
Maggie - 24 May 2004 22:08 GMT
You really are fast at this searching thing!
I went looking & came back here with one.
lol!  I've been to about 8 sites, but each one leads to another.  

silverlon
http://www.patshannan.com/silverlon.html

This is what the bandage is like.  I just had to open one.  I thought it
would have gel in it & be kinda like the colloidal silver stuff, which
sounds really scarey to me, btw.  This is just a silver fabric pad
though & if the above is true, it may do amazing things.  I did see that
the FDA has approved this doctors' products.  Yet, I still can't find
anything that refers to the immune system.  However, the link you
provided said that the FDA made the companies stop claims that the
colloidal silver would boost the immune system.  But it has to boost the
immune system or it wouldn't speed up the healing process, would it?

To use or not to use....anybody need a band-aid?

Mag:  funny patch joke, btw....poor guy. lol!
Leeb57 - 25 May 2004 05:46 GMT
When my wife was recovering from a sever case of vasculitis, the Physical
Therapist used something called silverlon on the ulcers.  The silver part
tricks the skin into thinking it is whole and keeps the electrical current
running thru.  With the body's electrical current running healing happens
faster,

Just my nickle's worth.
Chaos Hill - 25 May 2004 01:15 GMT
Well, my only response has to be that I am allergic to Band Aid brand
bandages and many other adhesives....

Leslie

> Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
> They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Maggie
Beverley - 25 May 2004 03:45 GMT
I was about to say the same thing. Band-Aid brand seems to eat the skin
right off of me. I also cannot use any of the gooey adhesive glue that is
used for paper that we used to call airplane glue (the stuff that kids get
high on). That will remove the skin from my fingers. Even duct tape can be a
problem for me.
Bev

> Well, my only response has to be that I am allergic to Band Aid brand
> bandages and many other adhesives....
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> >
> > Maggie
Lee Thompson-Herbert - 25 May 2004 10:38 GMT
>I was about to say the same thing. Band-Aid brand seems to eat the skin
>right off of me. I also cannot use any of the gooey adhesive glue that is
>used for paper that we used to call airplane glue (the stuff that kids get
>high on). That will remove the skin from my fingers. Even duct tape can be a
>problem for me.

I've found I can use the NexCare (3M's consumer division) bandages and the
Curad "sensitive skin" ones.  Everything else is Bad News.  Though I found
out years ago that rubbing alcohol will at least remove the adhesive goop
from skin and help stop the reaction.  I think I can probably use the Nexcare
stuff because it's related to the adhesives they use on Tegaderm and the other
film-type dressings.  Those are meant to stay on long-term (anywhere from 3
to 7 days), so they have to be less noxious.  For small scratches, I use
the Nexcare "liquid bandage" brush-on stuff these days.  It's essentially a
flexible form of superglue.  Stays on my fingers way better than anything
else I've tried...

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Shelagh - 25 May 2004 18:21 GMT
DITTO on the adhesives of any kind.
In hospital one of my 'allergies' on the bracelet is adhesives
(along with metals) so that only paper product tapes and
synthetic catheters for IVs etc... even hypos are potentially
problematic! I get a red-hot fiery rash that breaks down my skin
very quickly.
......... Shelagh
> I was about to say the same thing. Band-Aid brand seems to eat the skin
> right off of me. I also cannot use any of the gooey adhesive glue that is
> used for paper that we used to call airplane glue (the stuff that kids get
> high on). That will remove the skin from my fingers. Even duct tape can be a
> problem for me.
> Bev
Beverley - 25 May 2004 03:49 GMT
Silver and gold are considered non-reactive metals that is why they use them
in dental work, etc. But I have no clue why they would use them in bandages.
I have had lots of luck with Nexcare bandages. Weird little things. My GD
likes the ones with the Cinderella or Barbie stuff on them - I like the
mice. LOL At least they are not eating my skin away.
Bev

> Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
> They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Maggie
Lee Thompson-Herbert - 25 May 2004 10:55 GMT
>Silver and gold are considered non-reactive metals that is why they use them
>in dental work, etc. But I have no clue why they would use them in bandages.
>I have had lots of luck with Nexcare bandages. Weird little things. My GD
>likes the ones with the Cinderella or Barbie stuff on them - I like the
>mice. LOL At least they are not eating my skin away.

Silver has anti-bacterial properties.  However, it can also stain your
skin grey or blue with long-term use, which is why the colloidal silvers
are considered dangerous.  The stain is permanent, the condition is called
argyria.

A quick grab off of the Emedicine online library:
=====
Background: Argyria results from prolonged contact to or ingestion of silver
salts. It produces a gray to gray-black staining of skin and mucous membranes
produced by silver deposition. Silver may be deposited in the skin either from
industrial exposure or as a result of medications containing silver salts.

The most common cause of argyria is mechanical impregnation of the skin by
small silver particles in workers involved in silver mining, silver refining,
silverware and metal alloy manufacturing, metallic films on glass and china,
electroplating solutions, and photographic processing. Colloidal silver dietary
supplements are marketed widely for cancer, AIDS, diabetes mellitus, and
herpetic infections. Cases have followed the prolonged use of silver salts for
the irrigation of urethral or nasal mucous membranes, in eye drops, wound
dressing, and the excessive use of an oral smoking remedy containing silver
acetate. Argyria also has been attributed to surgical and dental procedures
(eg, silver amalgam-tattooing, silver sutures used in abdominal surgery). Blue
macules have appeared at sites of acupuncture needles and silver earring sites.
Great individual variability exists in the length of exposure and total dose
needed to result in argyria.
=====

Staining can be localized or total, though it tends to be on sun-exposed
areas of skin.  The condition was not that uncommon at the turn of the previous
century because of the heavy use of silver-containing solutions for eye and
nose irrigation (remember, no antibiotics back then).  Barnum and Bailey had
a "blue man" in their freak show who had a classic case.  Argyria almost
disappeared until the MLMs started pushing colloidal silver remedies as the
latest get-rich-quick scheme, and now it's becoming more common again.  I'm
not sure why Band-Aid is jumping on the silver bandwagon.  I could see using
it for burns and pressure sores, but not much else.

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Norman & Wende - 25 May 2004 15:04 GMT
I am allergic to silver and base metals.  So no silver bandaids for me.
Unfortunately, I also have a latex allergy so I use cloth, or latex free
bandaids. Wende

> Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
> They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Maggie
Andy - 27 May 2004 21:09 GMT
>Has anyone seen these new Band aids?
>They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>possibly allowing it into our direct bloodstream or even by way of
>osmosis?

Several brands of water filter cartridge over here remove the chlorine
etc, and add a small amount of silver to keep the water bug-free
(according to the words on the packet)
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See http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk for more!

 
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