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Autoimmune & New Curad Silver Band-Aid Thoughts
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Maggie - 24 May 2004 19:54 GMT Has anyone seen these new Band aids? They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural antibacterial agent. I got two boxes of them free after rebate & upon reading them, I just have my doubts that I want to put them on an open wound.
We've talked about gold & copper before...any thoughts on silver & possibly allowing it into our direct bloodstream or even by way of osmosis?
Maggie
J - 24 May 2004 20:57 GMT > Has anyone seen these new Band aids? > They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maggie I can't remember what was said about gold and copper, but unless you're covering yourself daily with them, shouldn't be a problem?
Interesting subject though. There's a can of worms you've opened. Because apparently some topicals or eyedrops have had some form of silver in them for years. Silver nitrate in eyedrops causes irritation in newborns http://health.discovery.com/diseasesandcond/encyclopedia/2717.html The silver nitrate drops put in newborns' eyes to prevent infection can also cause mild irritation. This goes away by itself in a day or two without lasting damage. http://www.henryfordhealth.org/12556.cfm Because of the significance of neonatal conjunctivitis, all hospitals (most required by State law) routinely use silver nitrate or antibiotic drops, such as erythromycin, in the newborn´s eyes to prevent disease. Silver nitrate is no longer commonly used and has been mostly replaced by antibiotic eye drops.
Next topicals http://www.medbc.com/annals/review/vol_15/num_3/text/vol15n3p116.asp COMPARISON OF SILVER SULPHADIAZINE 1 PER CENT
http://yalesurgery.med.yale.edu/surgery/sections/plastics/Core%20Curriculum%20Pa ges/Burns%20Page/BurnAns6.html>
What are the advantages and disadvantages of sulfamylon, silvadene, and silver nitrate? Silver sulfadiazine: the most frequently used topical agent. It was introduced in the early 1970's by Fox. It is supplied in a water-soluble base at a concentration of 1%. Silver nitrate (0.5% solution): Silver nitrate solution is not toxic in a 0.5% concentration, but it has a significant antimicrobial effect. It was introduced in 1965 by Moyer. It is a broad-spectrum agent; development of resistance to the silver ion is distinctly uncommon
http://www.internurse.com/cgi-bin/go.pl/library/contents.html?uid=921&journal_uid=10
( can't read the pdf, but there's a shrrt version there British Journal of Community Nursing, Vol. 6, Iss. 8 (Silver Suppl 1), 03 Aug 2001, pp 3 - 8 While silver and its compounds have been medically used for thousands of years, the recent research focus on this element has led to a resurgence in interest, particularly in the field of wound care product development. The increasing problems of antibiotic resistance, combined with concerns over the safety and toxicity of topical antiseptics,
http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section7.htm Recent clinical experience with the use of a pure silver delivery system, which can maintain both anti-microbial control and provide an ideal wound healing environment, have been very positive, especially when compared to the use of the topical antibiotic cream, silver sulfadiazine (or antibiotic solutions)
There's a bit here about how the FDA says that the % of colloidal silver could be dangerous (I think that's "altie") http://www.internationalrosaceafoundation.org/nonprescription_3.html
The Role of Topical Antibiotics in Dermatologic Practice ... infection rates of traumatic wounds sutured in the emergency room, use of topical antibiotics (bacitracin zinc ointment; TAO; silver sulfadiazine cream ... www.medscape.com/viewprogram/2501_pnt (I don't subscribe to Medscape - just showing a different silver ....sulfadiazine).
So anyone's skin gets worse with bandaids or creams, maybe look for patterns of ingredients and avoid the ones that have common ingredients? J
J - 24 May 2004 20:59 GMT > Has anyone seen these new Band aids? > They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maggie I have a joke for you. -speaking of patches and bandaids....
During a patient's two week follow-up appointment with his cardiologist, he informed me, his doctor, that he was having trouble with one of his medications. Which one?" I asked. The patch. The nurse told me to put on a new one every six hours and now I'm running out of places to put it!" I had him quickly undress and discovered what I hoped I wouldn't see. Yes, the man had over fifty patches on his body! Now the instructions include removal of the old patch before applying a new one.
Maggie - 24 May 2004 22:08 GMT You really are fast at this searching thing! I went looking & came back here with one. lol! I've been to about 8 sites, but each one leads to another.
silverlon http://www.patshannan.com/silverlon.html
This is what the bandage is like. I just had to open one. I thought it would have gel in it & be kinda like the colloidal silver stuff, which sounds really scarey to me, btw. This is just a silver fabric pad though & if the above is true, it may do amazing things. I did see that the FDA has approved this doctors' products. Yet, I still can't find anything that refers to the immune system. However, the link you provided said that the FDA made the companies stop claims that the colloidal silver would boost the immune system. But it has to boost the immune system or it wouldn't speed up the healing process, would it?
To use or not to use....anybody need a band-aid?
Mag: funny patch joke, btw....poor guy. lol!
Leeb57 - 25 May 2004 05:46 GMT When my wife was recovering from a sever case of vasculitis, the Physical Therapist used something called silverlon on the ulcers. The silver part tricks the skin into thinking it is whole and keeps the electrical current running thru. With the body's electrical current running healing happens faster,
Just my nickle's worth.
Chaos Hill - 25 May 2004 01:15 GMT Well, my only response has to be that I am allergic to Band Aid brand bandages and many other adhesives....
Leslie
> Has anyone seen these new Band aids? > They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maggie Beverley - 25 May 2004 03:45 GMT I was about to say the same thing. Band-Aid brand seems to eat the skin right off of me. I also cannot use any of the gooey adhesive glue that is used for paper that we used to call airplane glue (the stuff that kids get high on). That will remove the skin from my fingers. Even duct tape can be a problem for me. Bev
> Well, my only response has to be that I am allergic to Band Aid brand > bandages and many other adhesives.... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Maggie Lee Thompson-Herbert - 25 May 2004 10:38 GMT >I was about to say the same thing. Band-Aid brand seems to eat the skin >right off of me. I also cannot use any of the gooey adhesive glue that is >used for paper that we used to call airplane glue (the stuff that kids get >high on). That will remove the skin from my fingers. Even duct tape can be a >problem for me. I've found I can use the NexCare (3M's consumer division) bandages and the Curad "sensitive skin" ones. Everything else is Bad News. Though I found out years ago that rubbing alcohol will at least remove the adhesive goop from skin and help stop the reaction. I think I can probably use the Nexcare stuff because it's related to the adhesives they use on Tegaderm and the other film-type dressings. Those are meant to stay on long-term (anywhere from 3 to 7 days), so they have to be less noxious. For small scratches, I use the Nexcare "liquid bandage" brush-on stuff these days. It's essentially a flexible form of superglue. Stays on my fingers way better than anything else I've tried...
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Shelagh - 25 May 2004 18:21 GMT DITTO on the adhesives of any kind. In hospital one of my 'allergies' on the bracelet is adhesives (along with metals) so that only paper product tapes and synthetic catheters for IVs etc... even hypos are potentially problematic! I get a red-hot fiery rash that breaks down my skin very quickly. ......... Shelagh
> I was about to say the same thing. Band-Aid brand seems to eat the skin > right off of me. I also cannot use any of the gooey adhesive glue that is > used for paper that we used to call airplane glue (the stuff that kids get > high on). That will remove the skin from my fingers. Even duct tape can be a > problem for me. > Bev Beverley - 25 May 2004 03:49 GMT Silver and gold are considered non-reactive metals that is why they use them in dental work, etc. But I have no clue why they would use them in bandages. I have had lots of luck with Nexcare bandages. Weird little things. My GD likes the ones with the Cinderella or Barbie stuff on them - I like the mice. LOL At least they are not eating my skin away. Bev
> Has anyone seen these new Band aids? > They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maggie Lee Thompson-Herbert - 25 May 2004 10:55 GMT >Silver and gold are considered non-reactive metals that is why they use them >in dental work, etc. But I have no clue why they would use them in bandages. >I have had lots of luck with Nexcare bandages. Weird little things. My GD >likes the ones with the Cinderella or Barbie stuff on them - I like the >mice. LOL At least they are not eating my skin away. Silver has anti-bacterial properties. However, it can also stain your skin grey or blue with long-term use, which is why the colloidal silvers are considered dangerous. The stain is permanent, the condition is called argyria.
A quick grab off of the Emedicine online library: ===== Background: Argyria results from prolonged contact to or ingestion of silver salts. It produces a gray to gray-black staining of skin and mucous membranes produced by silver deposition. Silver may be deposited in the skin either from industrial exposure or as a result of medications containing silver salts.
The most common cause of argyria is mechanical impregnation of the skin by small silver particles in workers involved in silver mining, silver refining, silverware and metal alloy manufacturing, metallic films on glass and china, electroplating solutions, and photographic processing. Colloidal silver dietary supplements are marketed widely for cancer, AIDS, diabetes mellitus, and herpetic infections. Cases have followed the prolonged use of silver salts for the irrigation of urethral or nasal mucous membranes, in eye drops, wound dressing, and the excessive use of an oral smoking remedy containing silver acetate. Argyria also has been attributed to surgical and dental procedures (eg, silver amalgam-tattooing, silver sutures used in abdominal surgery). Blue macules have appeared at sites of acupuncture needles and silver earring sites. Great individual variability exists in the length of exposure and total dose needed to result in argyria. =====
Staining can be localized or total, though it tends to be on sun-exposed areas of skin. The condition was not that uncommon at the turn of the previous century because of the heavy use of silver-containing solutions for eye and nose irrigation (remember, no antibiotics back then). Barnum and Bailey had a "blue man" in their freak show who had a classic case. Argyria almost disappeared until the MLMs started pushing colloidal silver remedies as the latest get-rich-quick scheme, and now it's becoming more common again. I'm not sure why Band-Aid is jumping on the silver bandwagon. I could see using it for burns and pressure sores, but not much else.
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Norman & Wende - 25 May 2004 15:04 GMT I am allergic to silver and base metals. So no silver bandaids for me. Unfortunately, I also have a latex allergy so I use cloth, or latex free bandaids. Wende
> Has anyone seen these new Band aids? > They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maggie Andy - 27 May 2004 21:09 GMT >Has anyone seen these new Band aids? >They actually have silver in them, which I guess acts as a natural [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >possibly allowing it into our direct bloodstream or even by way of >osmosis? Several brands of water filter cartridge over here remove the chlorine etc, and add a small amount of silver to keep the water bug-free (according to the words on the packet)
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