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Plasma fibrin interference in MTS cards.

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rickh - 30 Sep 2008 05:35 GMT
We are in the process of changing our preffered BBK tube from a plain
red top (no additives, yeilds serum) to an EDTA pink top (yeilds
plasma). for use in routine antibody screens and identifications. We
had hoped to benifit from the faster processing times of plasma i.e.
you don't have to wait for it to clot. Over the last few weeks we have
increasingly run into problems with fibrin producing "false positive"
type reactions in MTS cards typically looking like a 1+ reaction, and
also turning up as clumps in tube crossmatches from these tubes. I
don't understand why we are seeing fibrin precipitate in plasma from
these tubes, as I thought that's what the anticoagulant was there to
prevent.Perhaps the anticoagulant is being diluted away when mixed
with MTS solution and/ or saline in red call suspensions. It is very
troublesome because unlike fibrin from serum samples which is clear
cut and recognizable a top line of percipitate on the colllum the
plasma fibrin looks like a genuine positive reaction, and we waste a
lot of time setting up panels and chasing what turns out to be fibrin
or as I like to call it "Anti-MTS".
So; does anyone else have any experience/ input on fibrin in plasma
samples for BBK testing ?

TIA

Rick H
Robert - 30 Sep 2008 09:27 GMT
>  We are in the process of changing our preffered BBK tube from a plain
> red top (no additives, yeilds serum) to an EDTA pink top (yeilds
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> Rick H

You might try centrifuging at high speed for a longer time. That was
the first thing we did when we switched from Red top tubes to Lavender
ones. Other reactions similar to that would be cold agglutinins.
Fibrin would be a problem with difficult draws and partially clotted
specimens. Fibrin strands usually remain at the top of the gel whereas
a typical 1+ gel reaction lies at the lower end. Thin top layering is
also seen we cold agglutinins and recent experience has me re-spinning
specimens taken directly out of the refrigerator for add on testing to
eliminate that reaction from occuring.
rickh - 02 Oct 2008 06:33 GMT
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> You might try centrifuging at high speed for a longer time.
  When we re-spin the plasma we suspect fibrin in , we usually
recover a fine hazy white almost floculant precipitate. But (grammar
bedamned) this is usually *after* we have wasted time on a false
positive.
That was the first thing we did when we switched from Red top tubes
to Lavender
> ones. Other reactions similar to that would be cold agglutinins.

Another curve, you can prewarm some things away, but it needs to be
part of a validated approach to BBK investigation/troubleshooting. Did
I mention I hate cold agglutinins ?

> Fibrin would be a problem with difficult draws and partially clotted
> specimens.

Perhaps that's what it is. It's only a minority of we see this in.

Fibrin strands usually remain at the top of the gel whereas
> a typical 1+ gel reaction lies at the lower end.

This is a cross between a 1+ and a 2+, but now that I've seen a few
they are distinct from conventional reactions in that there is a
certain je ne sais quoi. It's hard to describe without pictures, but
they usually present as random 1-2+ reactions in your BBK testing; as
I said with tube method it is obviously fibrin clumps.

Thanks again ; RH
 
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