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Abbott Sapphire, input please

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kuhnfucius - 06 Apr 2007 01:59 GMT
Anyone have experience with this instrument (Abbott Sapphire )?  The
inclussion of a flouresent flow cytometry leds itself to CD markers, true
NRBC and possible fetal Hgb determination.  Looks like all manufacture's
will be going this way in the future (Sysmex probably already has?).  I have
seen one trauma center with two of these instruments and was impressed (I
like having two methodologies for PLT).  As this instrument is relatively
new, I was looking for input.  Many thanks in advance (MTIA).
Manky Badger - 06 Apr 2007 08:34 GMT
> Anyone have experience with this instrument (Abbott Sapphire )?  The
> inclussion of a flouresent flow cytometry leds itself to CD markers, true
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> is relatively new, I was looking for input.  Many thanks in advance
> (MTIA).

We reviewed it along with other analysers on the market about six months ago
and in the end went for the Sysmex 2100. Whilst the flourscent flow
cytomtery sounds good, you'll probably find you'll spend all the anlyser's
time doing blood counts and you'd be better off with a dedicated flow
cytometer for the immunophenotyping.

A friend who went through the same process more recently went for the
ABX/Horiba as they were cheaper long term on reagents.
kuhnfucius - 06 Apr 2007 17:50 GMT
Not really considering doing immunotyping (but always have "neat
stuff"...not saying practical.... like that in my dreams). I was
deliberately vague when I mentioned CD markers, I was referring to CD61
platelet "tag" (and possibly and or eventually a panel of three (?) plt
markers) and having other capabilities with fluorescent flow. It seems to me
that the technology used (impedance only) in the most popular selling
instruments has been stuck in the 1980's mode for a too long. This thus
requires experienced operators to make a lot of judgement calls in which the
causal operator's proficiency may be lacking. I think the Sysmex and Abbot
instruments probably use similar technology (fluorescent flow, two
methodology counting and CD markers are actually 1990-95 technology), e.g. :
better reticulocyte definition (no more "abnormal retic patterns" on
difficult to dissolve hgb) and more accurate blast flagging (the bane of our
current instrumentation). BTW, close inspection will show that many labs
(both non-reference and reference), just ignore _certain_ the impedance only
messaging / flagging. My experience with Sysmex is limited to the CA-1500,
which I appraise as having good speed of analysis . I like working with the
newest technology ($$?). All this said, it is still a difficult sell /
change of mind set (e.g. retraining).

>> Anyone have experience with this instrument (Abbott Sapphire )?  The
>> inclussion of a flouresent flow cytometry leds itself to CD markers, true
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> A friend who went through the same process more recently went for the
> ABX/Horiba as they were cheaper long term on reagents.
Manky Badger - 06 Apr 2007 22:56 GMT
> My experience with Sysmex is limited to the CA-1500, which I appraise as
> having good speed of analysis . I like working with the newest technology
> ($$?). All this said, it is still a difficult sell / change of mind set
> (e.g. retraining).

Whan it comes to Sysmex you really do need to distinguish between the coag
(crap) and the haematology (excellent).

It's as though they are made by totally different firms. We're going Sysmex
blood counts again, and wouldn'd consider changing, but having had sysmex
coag we'd never have it again.
 
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