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doe - 02 Jul 2004 21:17 GMT
Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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slenon - 03 Jul 2004 14:47 GMT
Consider the source:

"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message

news:20021214180459.28328.00000092@mb-fo.aol.com...

> And as 'per my qualifications' .. I AM A FRIGGIN NOBEL PRIZE WINNER ..

> and my proof is EVERY MEDICAL DISEASE THERE IS .. and that .. is ALL THAT

> FRIGGIN MATTERS on this medical newsgroup.

>You just .. 'don't get it' .. do ya .. >My credentials are . . every
medical article I post .. >And if THAT doesn't make me a NOBEL PRIZE WINNER
.. I don't know what would ..>From: doe (ironjustice@aol.comdoe)
>Subject: Re: What is it with the iron ?

>Newsgroups: sci.med.laboratory
>Date: 2002-12-14 16:44:08 PST

Now, please tell us when that Nobel Prize was awarded and whether it bears
your name, tommy, or that of Darrell Taylor.

And, tommy, you can spell the bad words out completely if you know how.  All
the adults know what they mean.  Or, are you afraid to, for fear of losing
yet another ISP?  So which is it?  Afraid to spell them or don't really know
how to spell them?

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Mike Collins - 03 Jul 2004 16:05 GMT
> And, tommy, you can spell the bad words out completely if you know
> how.  All the adults know what they mean.  Or, are you afraid to, for
> fear of losing yet another ISP?  So which is it?  Afraid to spell
> them or don't really know how to spell them?

I'm not sure he can spell them Stev. After all he can't spell you - it's
always ya.

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for eating fruit.
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God is a carnivore.
He asked for animal sacrifices and punished Adam and Eve for eating fruit.
doe - 03 Jul 2004 17:52 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "Mike Collins"

TRY to keep on .. topic .. eh .. freak ..

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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Manky Badger - 03 Jul 2004 18:36 GMT
> >Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
> >From: "Mike Collins"
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Same result .. different methods and expense ..

Over in sci.med.nutrition you just said "SAME FKG THING .." about apheresis
& bloodletting.
Now you say they are different.
Which one is it to be, Tom ?
doe - 03 Jul 2004 19:26 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "Manky Badger" spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk
>Date: 7/3/2004 11:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <cc6qog$9bd$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>

>Over in sci.med.nutrition you just said "SAME FKG THING .." about apheresis
>& bloodletting.
>Now you say they are different.
>Which one is it to be, Tom ?

There are many .. ways .. to .. bloodlet ..

You should learn them ..

You say you are .. "coming to see me .. " ..

Maybe you will learn .. a .. few .. OF .. the .. different .. methods ..

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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Manky Badger - 04 Jul 2004 00:47 GMT
> There are many .. ways .. to .. bloodlet ..

That's not what you said earlier, pussy.

> You say you are .. "coming to see me .. " ..

If you're up for it.
doe - 04 Jul 2004 04:29 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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slenon - 04 Jul 2004 15:56 GMT
Consider the source:

"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message

news:20021214180459.28328.00000092@mb-fo.aol.com...

> And as 'per my qualifications' .. I AM A FRIGGIN NOBEL PRIZE WINNER ..

> and my proof is EVERY MEDICAL DISEASE THERE IS .. and that .. is ALL THAT

> FRIGGIN MATTERS on this medical newsgroup.

>You just .. 'don't get it' .. do ya .. >My credentials are . . every
medical article I post .. >And if THAT doesn't make me a NOBEL PRIZE WINNER
.. I don't know what would ..>From: doe (ironjustice@aol.comdoe)
>Subject: Re: What is it with the iron ?

>Newsgroups: sci.med.laboratory
>Date: 2002-12-14 16:44:08 PST

Now, please tell us when that Nobel Prize was awarded and whether it bears
your name, tommy, or that of Darrell Taylor.

And, tommy, you can spell the bad words out completely if you know how.  All
the adults know what they mean.  Or, are you afraid to, for fear of losing
yet another ISP?  So which is it?  Afraid to spell them or don't really know
how to spell them?

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doe - 04 Jul 2004 19:28 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
>Date: 7/4/2004 8:56 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <5UUFc.22615$IX4.1815908@twister.tampabay.rr.com>

>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy .

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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doe - 03 Jul 2004 17:51 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>Now, please tell us when that Nobel Prize was awarded and whether it bears

WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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slenon - 03 Jul 2004 22:10 GMT
tommy:
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..

Spell the word, wimp, or continue to display your lack of courage as well as
your lack of education and comprehension.

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doe - 04 Jul 2004 04:31 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>tommy:
>>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..

WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy .

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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Mike Collins - 04 Jul 2004 09:41 GMT
<Snipped all the rubbish>
> disease . We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach
> whereby speciific constituents of blood are removed rather than
> neurtralized with antibodies , which are unavoidably associated with
> tolerance and side effects. <<snip>>

A Nobel prizewinner like you should have a basic understanding of the
meaning of what you post.
They are writing about removing specific constituents of blood. The RBCs
which contain the iron you hate so much are returned to the patients.

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doe - 04 Jul 2004 19:27 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "Mike Collins" mike&heather@acornwellmount.freeserve.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>They are writing about removing specific constituents of blood. The RBCs
>which contain the iron you hate so much are returned to the patients.

ONLY because THAT way .. you guys .. can pocket some cash ..

THAT is the REASON it is used in lieu of simple old everday .. bloodletting ..

<<snip>>
cost of apheresis was $2390.06.
<<snip>>

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/bmt/journal/v29/n2/full/1
703341a.html

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Mike Collins - 04 Jul 2004 20:01 GMT
>> Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>> From: "Mike Collins" mike&heather@acornwellmount.freeserve.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> cost of apheresis was $2390.06.
> <<snip>>

Cost in th UK on the NHS
Nothing to the patient.

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doe - 04 Jul 2004 21:11 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "Mike Collins" mike&heather@acornwellmount.freeserve.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>Cost in th UK on the NHS
>Nothing to the patient.

And everyone without health insurance can .. simply get .. stuffed ..

Eh ..

Yep ..

Well .. personally .. THAT doesn't .. set too well ..

Having the choice between becoming .. a fkg .. Brit .. and dying .. leaves one
between a rock and a hard .. place ..

Between dying and becoming a .. fkg ..twit ..

Hmmmm ..

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Manky Badger - 04 Jul 2004 22:36 GMT
> And everyone without health insurance can .. simply get .. stuffed ..
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Hmmmm ..

"Flapping heads & beady eyes " and rather than using the toilet, using a
wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAshroom.
Being a "fkg ..twit" wins hands down.
doe - 05 Jul 2004 00:38 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: "Manky Badger" spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAshroom.
>Being a "fkg ..twit" wins hands down.

Well .. you've made the .. first .. step ..

"know thyself"

Heh .. heh

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Manky Badger - 06 Jul 2004 21:03 GMT
> >Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
> >From: "Manky Badger" spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk
> >Date: 7/4/2004 3:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <cc9t62$2h8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>

> Well .. you've made the .. first .. step ..
>
> "know thyself"

Is this some reference to your crackpot religion, pussy ?

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slenon - 06 Jul 2004 21:57 GMT
MB:
>> Well .. you've made the .. first .. step ..
>
> "know thyself"

>Is this some reference to your crackpot religion, pussy ?

No, Manky, that would be "play with yourself, fkng .. pussy"  Since he
doesn't ..  speak, read, or write the language, the meanings  .. get kind of
twisted.

Now here's a twisted little concept for you.  As you know, in Hebrew and
Arabic, vowels are often omitted from both written and printed material.
This is true of the Torah, which lacks not only vowels but punctuation as
well.  Do you suppose tommy thinks that "fkng" is Hebrew for "f.ck?"  That's
rather the kind of fashla I'd expect to find in his brain malfunctions.

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Manky Badger - 06 Jul 2004 23:00 GMT
> MB:
> >> Well .. you've made the .. first .. step ..
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> well.  Do you suppose tommy thinks that "fkng" is Hebrew for "f.ck?"  That's
> rather the kind of fashla I'd expect to find in his brain malfunctions.

I've often wondered - what does the ferrous fool do as his day job - any
guesses ?
slenon - 07 Jul 2004 01:33 GMT
MB:
>I've often wondered - what does the ferrous fool do as his day job - any
guesses ?

He styles himself a "health care researcher," refer to the Darrell Taylor
begging post.  My best guess is that he is unemployable, in serious need and
sometimes receiving intensive inpatient mental health care including a
serious medication regimen and EST.

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slenon - 07 Jul 2004 15:17 GMT
MB:
>I've often wondered - what does the ferrous fool do as his day job - any
>guesses ?

Manky, came to me while watching the news last night.  tommy the
anti-ferrous is unemployed as a non-blood-sucking leech.

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Manky Badger - 07 Jul 2004 23:07 GMT
> MB:
> >I've often wondered - what does the ferrous fool do as his day job - any
> >guesses ?
>
> Manky, came to me while watching the news last night.  tommy the
> anti-ferrous is unemployed as a non-blood-sucking leech.

It speaks volumes that he's too embarrassed/ashamed to tell us himself.
slenon - 04 Jul 2004 15:59 GMT
tommy:
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
>WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy .

Too much thorazine, tommy?  You seem to be stuck in a loop.  Can't spell the
word "f.cking?"  Too many complaints to your ISP about spamming, abuse, and
threats?   Too bad, WIMP.

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JEDilworth - 04 Jul 2004 16:41 GMT
Actually, there's are websites with the configuration Tom uses - maybe
these are what he's referring to all the time :-) :-) :-)

http://www.fkg.com/index2.html

http://www.fkg-marine-rigging.com/

http://www.fkg.ui.ac.id/

There are lots more if you search Google.

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology
(laughing hysterically at this whole fkg thread!!)

> tommy:
> >WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..
> >WHAT .. a .. fkg .. pussy .
doe - 04 Jul 2004 19:31 GMT
>Subject: Re: possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7.  Related Articles, Links  

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London, UK.
ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>>
With current insight into the pathogenesis of various 'inflammatory' diseases ,
and the involvement of circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell
signalling molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges, i.e.
removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby interrupting a viscous
cycle whereby effector molecules perpetuate inflammation.
The Japanese experience in ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled
trials , has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of severe
exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating the need for surgery, which
is associated with significant morbidity.
While the precise mechansim of benefit of this treatmemt is not fully
understood , the apheresis systems are also showing promise in Crohn disease .
We suggest that this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized with antibodies ,
which are unavoidably associated with tolerance and side effects.
<<snip>>

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