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Iron deficient anemia / yes ? or no ?

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doe - 16 Jun 2004 19:32 GMT
It seems everything we have thought about .. anemia .. iron deficient anemia ..
is NOW .. up .. in .. the .. air .. ?

As I proposed ..

Nutrition
"The diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."

Acta Paediatr. 2004 Apr;93(4):436-9. Related Articles, Links

Iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia during infancy and childhood.

Zetterstrom R.

The present definition of iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia is under
debate. Our present figures for the prevalence of iron deficiency in infants
and toddlers are thus disputed. CONCLUSION: Better understanding of the
regulation of iron metabolism and requirement during the critical early period
of growth and development is needed for relevant control of iron deficiency
anaemia.

Publication Types:
Editorial

PMID: 15188964 [PubMed - in process]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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DGReview

Inadequate Definition Of Iron Deficiency In Infancy A DGReview of :"The
diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."
Nutrition
12/20/2002
By Robert Short

The current definitions for iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia in
infants are inadequate and need evaluation.

A study of 263 exclusively breast-fed infants in Honduras and Sweden who were
randomly assigned to receive iron supplementation or placebo has led
researchers in Sweden and the United States to this conclusion.

Blood samples were taken from the children at age 4, 6 and 9 months. Reference
ranges were determined using three different approaches for defining
iron-replete infants. The researchers evaluated various variables for
predicting the haemoglobin response to iron.

Dr M Domellof, from the Department of Clinical Sciences, Pediatrics, Umea
University, Umea, Sweden, said, "The haemoglobin response to iron was not a
useful definition of iron deficiency anaemia at 4 months of age. Haemoglobin,
mean cell volume, and zinc protoporphyrin at 6 months as well as growth
variables predicted the haemoglobin response at 6-9 months, but ferritin and
soluble transferrin receptors at 6 months did not."

The investigators concluded that there was a need for a re-evaluation of the
definitions of iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia.

They had set out to establish the cut-off values for the different variables.
They found the two standard deviation cut-off values in iron-replete infants to
be as follows: haemoglobin <105 g/L at 4-6 months and <100 g/L at 9 months;
zinc protoporphyrin >75 micro mol/mol haem at 4.6 months and >90 micro mol/mol
haem at 9 months; ferritin <20 micro g/L at 4 mo, <9 micro g/L at 6 mo and <5
micro g/L at 9 mo; and soluble transferrin receptors >11 mg/L at 4-9 months.

Nutrition
"The diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."

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slenon - 17 Jun 2004 15:51 GMT
tommy, please tell us where Darryl Taylor is these days.  Is he still
begging for funding under a fictitious name?   Was he with you when you
accepted your Nobel Prize in Medicine?

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doe - 17 Jun 2004 17:12 GMT
>Subject: Re: Iron deficient anemia / yes ? or no ?
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>begging for funding under a fictitious name?   Was he with you when you
>accepted your Nobel Prize in Medicine?

I told you .. he is recuperating from busting his hand on somebodies .. head ..

You don't believe Darrel Taylor is .. a .. real .. person .. ?

Wouldn't be wise to use a fictitious name when one is requesting .. funding ..

Jeez ..

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slenon - 17 Jun 2004 21:29 GMT
>You don't believe Darrel Taylor is .. a .. real .. person .. ?
>Wouldn't be wise to use a fictitious name when one is requesting .. funding ..
>Jeez ..
>Tom

Then you should be careful who uses your computer when you're getting
medicated.  Darrel Taylor's internet address was identical to yours.  One of
you is confused and the other exists only in the absence of your required
medication.  But Darrel's going to turn up frequently when you spam this
newsgroup.  So's your supposed Nobel Prize in medecine.
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doe - 18 Jun 2004 04:10 GMT
>Subject: Re: Iron deficient anemia / yes ? or no ?
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
>Date: 6/17/2004 2:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <RanAc.84885$w34.3973316@twister.tampabay.rr.com>

> when you spam this
>newsgroup.

So a message related to the 'definition' .. OF .. anemia .. that would be with
LABORATORY .. help .. I would imagine .. is .. spam .. eh ..

What a fkg .. stupid .. maroon ..

It seems everything we have thought about .. anemia .. iron deficient anemia ..
is NOW .. up .. in .. the .. air .. ?

As I proposed ..

Nutrition
"The diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."

Acta Paediatr. 2004 Apr;93(4):436-9. Related Articles, Links

Iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia during infancy and childhood.

Zetterstrom R.

The present definition of iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia is under
debate. Our present figures for the prevalence of iron deficiency in infants
and toddlers are thus disputed. CONCLUSION: Better understanding of the
regulation of iron metabolism and requirement during the critical early period
of growth and development is needed for relevant control of iron deficiency
anaemia.

Publication Types:
Editorial

PMID: 15188964 [PubMed - in process]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------

DGReview

Inadequate Definition Of Iron Deficiency In Infancy A DGReview of :"The
diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."
Nutrition
12/20/2002
By Robert Short

The current definitions for iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia in
infants are inadequate and need evaluation.

A study of 263 exclusively breast-fed infants in Honduras and Sweden who were
randomly assigned to receive iron supplementation or placebo has led
researchers in Sweden and the United States to this conclusion.

Blood samples were taken from the children at age 4, 6 and 9 months. Reference
ranges were determined using three different approaches for defining
iron-replete infants. The researchers evaluated various variables for
predicting the haemoglobin response to iron.

Dr M Domellof, from the Department of Clinical Sciences, Pediatrics, Umea
University, Umea, Sweden, said, "The haemoglobin response to iron was not a
useful definition of iron deficiency anaemia at 4 months of age. Haemoglobin,
mean cell volume, and zinc protoporphyrin at 6 months as well as growth
variables predicted the haemoglobin response at 6-9 months, but ferritin and
soluble transferrin receptors at 6 months did not."

The investigators concluded that there was a need for a re-evaluation of the
definitions of iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia.

They had set out to establish the cut-off values for the different variables.
They found the two standard deviation cut-off values in iron-replete infants to
be as follows: haemoglobin <105 g/L at 4-6 months and <100 g/L at 9 months;
zinc protoporphyrin >75 micro mol/mol haem at 4.6 months and >90 micro mol/mol
haem at 9 months; ferritin <20 micro g/L at 4 mo, <9 micro g/L at 6 mo and <5
micro g/L at 9 mo; and soluble transferrin receptors >11 mg/L at 4-9 months.

Nutrition
"The diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."

---------------------------------------------------------

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slenon - 18 Jun 2004 14:48 GMT
tommy:
>So a message related to the 'definition' .. OF .. anemia .. that would be with
>LABORATORY .. help .. I would imagine .. is .. spam .. eh ..

No, the criteria is that the source is one tom hennessey, who is acting upon
misinformation, religious delusion, and a failure to understand the articles
he cuts and pastes.  Please tell us again, tommy, in what year did you
receive your Nobel Prize in Medicine?

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doe - 18 Jun 2004 18:01 GMT
>Subject: Re: Iron deficient anemia / yes ? or no ?
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
>Date: 6/18/2004 7:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <PoCAc.132831$Ol3.32030@twister.tampabay.rr.com>

>No, the criteria is that the source is one tom hennessey, who is acting upon
>misinformation, religious delusion, and a failure to understand the articles
>he cuts and pastes.  Please tell us again, tommy, in what year did you
>receive your Nobel Prize in Medicine?

I tell you what you little .. pussy ..

Keep it up ..

Not EVERYONE is as stupid as you ..

Let's let EVERYONE .. see .. what .. YOU .. are .. about ..

Eh ..

What a pussy ..

What IS it like to let EVERYONE .. know . without a .. doubt .. what a fkg ..
pussy .. you REALLY .. are ..

Eh ..

I .. will .. keep posting relevant material TO this list .. and YOU can
continue in your .. tirade ..

OK .. ?

Fkg .. little .. pussy ..

You know you didn't get your a.s kicked when you were a kid BECAUSE you are a
Jew .. it is because you are a .. pussy ..

You just like to THINK it was because you are a .. Jew ..

I suppose THAT would make it more comforting / accepting ..

Eh ..

Heh .. heh ..
------------------------------------------------------

The articles below explain how the research into the PREVALENCE of anemia /
iron deficient anemia .. in the world .. is NOW under dispute .. due to the
FACT the markers USED to actually ASSESS the .. prevalence .. were .. wrong and
therefore .. OVERESTIMATING .. the prevalence .. to a GREAT degree ..

Meaning .. they seem to have it all WRONG .. since the beginning of .. time ..

-------------------------------------------------

It seems everything we have thought about .. anemia .. iron deficient anemia ..
is NOW .. up .. in .. the .. air .. ?

As I proposed ..

Nutrition
"The diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."

Acta Paediatr. 2004 Apr;93(4):436-9. Related Articles, Links

Iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia during infancy and childhood.

Zetterstrom R.

The present definition of iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia is under
debate. Our present figures for the prevalence of iron deficiency in infants
and toddlers are thus disputed. CONCLUSION: Better understanding of the
regulation of iron metabolism and requirement during the critical early period
of growth and development is needed for relevant control of iron deficiency
anaemia.

Publication Types:
Editorial

PMID: 15188964 [PubMed - in process]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------

DGReview

Inadequate Definition Of Iron Deficiency In Infancy A DGReview of :"The
diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."
Nutrition
12/20/2002
By Robert Short

The current definitions for iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia in
infants are inadequate and need evaluation.

A study of 263 exclusively breast-fed infants in Honduras and Sweden who were
randomly assigned to receive iron supplementation or placebo has led
researchers in Sweden and the United States to this conclusion.

Blood samples were taken from the children at age 4, 6 and 9 months. Reference
ranges were determined using three different approaches for defining
iron-replete infants. The researchers evaluated various variables for
predicting the haemoglobin response to iron.

Dr M Domellof, from the Department of Clinical Sciences, Pediatrics, Umea
University, Umea, Sweden, said, "The haemoglobin response to iron was not a
useful definition of iron deficiency anaemia at 4 months of age. Haemoglobin,
mean cell volume, and zinc protoporphyrin at 6 months as well as growth
variables predicted the haemoglobin response at 6-9 months, but ferritin and
soluble transferrin receptors at 6 months did not."

The investigators concluded that there was a need for a re-evaluation of the
definitions of iron deficiency and iron deficiency anaemia.

They had set out to establish the cut-off values for the different variables.
They found the two standard deviation cut-off values in iron-replete infants to
be as follows: haemoglobin <105 g/L at 4-6 months and <100 g/L at 9 months;
zinc protoporphyrin >75 micro mol/mol haem at 4.6 months and >90 micro mol/mol
haem at 9 months; ferritin <20 micro g/L at 4 mo, <9 micro g/L at 6 mo and <5
micro g/L at 9 mo; and soluble transferrin receptors >11 mg/L at 4-9 months.

Nutrition
"The diagnostic criteria for iron deficiency in infants should be reevaluated."

---------------------------------------------------------

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Tom

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Manky Badger - 18 Jun 2004 19:59 GMT
> I .. will .. keep posting relevant material TO this list .. and YOU can
> continue in your .. tirade ..

"Keep posting relevant material" ??

How about a different phrase, Tom

"Start posting relevant material"

In the meantime, tell us about the germs.
doe - 19 Jun 2004 01:53 GMT
>Subject: Re: Iron deficient anemia / yes ? or no ?
>From: "Manky Badger" spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>In the meantime, tell us about the germs.

So you and lennon .. agree ..

"measurements of iron deficiency doesn't belong in sci.med.laboratory"

or ..

"Bacterial growth in amniotic fluid"

You are a fkg .. maroon ..

Just like your .. pal ..

Heh .. heh ..

Must make the kid .. proud .. eh ..

Heh .. heh ..

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JEDilworth - 19 Jun 2004 06:40 GMT
"fkg .. maroon" ..???????

I think you mean moron....

What will happen if you type out the f*** word? Will your head explode?

Best laugh I've had today!

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology

> You are a fkg .. maroon ..
Manky Badger - 19 Jun 2004 19:22 GMT
> "fkg .. maroon" ..???????
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> > You are a fkg .. maroon ..

Being called a maroon is a slight step up from his usual insult.
Usually I'm "dildo", which is the kind of insult reserved by eight year olds
in my neck of the woods.

MB
slenon - 19 Jun 2004 22:05 GMT
>Being called a maroon is a slight step up from his usual insult.
>Usually I'm "dildo", which is the kind of insult reserved by eight year olds
>in my neck of the woods.
>MB

He's have to mature some to hit that stature.  I wonder if the RCMP would be
interested in his threats of violence, so poorly veiled.

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doe - 19 Jun 2004 22:51 GMT
>Subject: Re: Iron deficient anemia / yes ? or no ?
>From: "slenon" slenon@tampabay.invalid.rr.com
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>He's have to mature some to hit that stature.  I wonder if the RCMP would be
>interested in his threats of violence, so poorly veiled.

Maybe they would .. give them a try ..

Heh .. heh ..

What .. a .. fkg .. pussy ..

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