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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / July 2005How I succesfully dealt with chronic herpes
One major factor causal of chronic herpes is high levels of cortisol in the body. The best way to cope when predisposed to such a hormonal imbalance is to visualise and mentally try to help the body to lower its cortisol levels. You can do this by repeating a few times, this mantra: "I am now a little stressed and my cortisol level should decrease by calming myself down. Cortisol level needs to go down and that would make me healthier at would keep herpes activity at bay. I feel calm and the cortisol level is decreasing. There is now a balanced hormonal level in my body." On top of these, I've discovered that eating oats (rolled oats, I usually poor some in hot milk) by whatever means, tends to help my body staying virus-free. I've discovered the oats about a year ago, reading a book called: 'The complete guide to nutritional health" More than 600 foods and recipes for overcoming illness and boosting your immunity' by Pierre Jean Cousin and Kirsten Hartvig Perl von Molson Just a question that I have...how is cortisol made and is it from foods that a person has eaten or other chemicals? Are you saying that cortisol causes herpes to be a chronic problem or that it causes a persons herpes to be active and shed more frequently or both? Thanks, > One major factor causal of chronic herpes is high levels of cortisol > in the body. > > The best way to cope when predisposed to such a hormonal imbalance > is to visualise and mentally try to help the body to lower its cortisol > levels. I was talking to my aunt today and she was telling me that cortisol is something that a persons body produces when they undergo stress. It can make one fat in the stomach area. I have the fat in the stomach and I am under alot of stress and have mad outbreaks at times, so this must be at least somewhat accurate. > Just a question that I have...how is cortisol made and is it from foods that > a person has eaten or other chemicals? Are you saying that cortisol causes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > is to visualise and mentally try to help the body to lower its cortisol > > levels. >I was talking to my aunt today and she was telling me that cortisol is >something that a persons body produces when they undergo stress. It can make >one fat in the stomach area. I have the fat in the stomach and I am under >alot of stress and have mad outbreaks at times, so this must be at least >somewhat accurate. Hmmm... Tom, I wouldn't go that far. The link is stress. Stress will increase cortisol and stress will allow the herpes virus to run rampant - probably because stress may lower the immune system. However, to then link that cortisol causes herpes outbreaks would be a misstatement. If you wish to have your cortisol checked, then please do so. But treating for cortisol problems will not help your herpes. Both are more than likely caused by the stress. ar Well, I do not know for sure how much of a factor is cortisol in regard to the increased number of herpes out breaks. One important issue that I've noticed in my personal research on the virus is that, by taking prescription drugs all that people do, is masking the real cause of the problems. It is the same as when taking aspirin. Aspirin, can minimize the arhritic pain for a short period of time but it will not cure the pain. The pain will eventually return. The same with prescription drugs for chronic herpes outbreaks. If the stress level is directly related to an imbalance in the hormonal levels of the body, a stressor factor on the immune system will cause it to mallfunction and thus, the virus will become prolific over time. If we would deal with the causality directly, such as trying to correct such imbalances in our body, we are talking about a deeper level, reaching at the core of the problem. To my experience, meditation and mind-body, bio-feedback type of exercises will do a whole load of good for the diseased, overly-stressed body. Regarding the oats, the explanation for its effectivity can be due to the fact that oats are soothing for the tired nerves. I do not know how to compare oats with other type of nutrients in this regard, but it sounds to me fair enough to top it among the best nutrients in the fight against herpes for a chronically sufferers, whose nerves are to "tired" . For Tom, I've also read that high levels of cortisol can contribute to the accumulation of fat in the stomach area and that coffee consumption is on of the factors that would do just this. I would recommend meditation type exercises to fight your problem. If you cannot find yourself comfortable doing it, a warm-up type of exercise such as riding a bycicle or jogging would do it to get prepared. Try to adjust everything to your specific type of body that you have and follow gradual steps, adapting and increasing each time, to your personal needs. Perl von Molson > >I was talking to my aunt today and she was telling me that cortisol is > >something that a persons body produces when they undergo stress. It can make [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ar Yes, Perl. We do need to treat the cause. But you keep picking out just one tiny thing and making it sound like this is the answer. But I will continue to maintain that the only thing that will work is to strengthen the immune system through a "whole body" experience. Diet, exercise, and sleep. I don't know anything about oats except that I never, ever eat them yet I also don't have outbreaks. Take care ar >Well, I do not know for sure how much of a factor is cortisol in regard >to [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> >> ar Well, Ar, it's not like I am picking up this thing arbitrary, I've used some in the format of trial and error numerous treatments. When it works, I know it. In such case, it would be less critical to diet, exercise and sleep and still not getting OB's. Maybe you can afford to have a life style where you get to do all these things on a regular basis, but some can't (including myself). Therefore I am trying my best to get as much of these things as practically possible. Consequently, by using treatments and methods "that work", they work in such a way that even with an overly stressed immune system and all the rest, someone doesn't get outbreaks. The way you put the problem, Ar, it sounds almost like the way when someone would say that if they would be rich then they would be happy. Well, not everybody can be rich, as well as not everybody can be have a perfect sleep, diet of even exercise. Nonetheless, even without being rich, people can be happy and also without all those particularities, that you've mentioned, people can be OB free. In my philosophy, for every problem there is a solution. If you say you've never eaten oats, it doesn't say much about oats' benefit in the fight against herpes. You sound like you are depending of your commodities (sleep, diet, exercise) in order to have a successfull herpes OB free life. There is more to it besides just where you are heading to. The mind-body, bio-feedback type of healing methods and others are doing more good to the body than just keeping it healthy. In can heal it, as well. It can heal a diseased body. It is a tool that helps the body heal itself. I don't know, Ar, if you see my point in here. Perl von Molson > Yes, Perl. We do need to treat the cause. But you keep picking out just one > tiny thing and making it sound like this is the answer. But I will continue to [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > >> > >> ar Perl, We've been over this a few times. The body will heal itself if given the right tools: diet, exercise, and rest. But that does not mean that there exists a cure for herpes. You keep missing my point, as usual. If your body is healthy, then we can hope that herpes outbreaks will not be a problem. A healthy body is the only way to be healthy. Honestly. You can not pin point just one thing and determine that THAT is the one thing that will work. If you eat oats and then continue to put crap in your body, then what have you done? Just eat oats, pretty much. The goal is to be healthy. Let me repeat that: the goal is to be healthy. If your goal is to get rid of your herpes outbreaks, then you are really missing the big picture. You are focusing on just one, tiny, little thing. Afford to eat healthy, exercise and rest? What are you talking about? I spend about $30 a week on groceries. Exercise is pretty cheap since it's something you can do all by yourself in your own home. And rest? I think everyone is supposed to sleep at night. If you are telling yourself that you simply can't afford to be healthy, then you've got a serious problem. And for those of us without an actual job...yeah, life is scary. That's why health is even more important. ar >Well, Ar, it's not like I am picking up this thing arbitrary, >I've used some in the format of trial and error numerous treatments. [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] >> >> >> >> ar Ar, our issues seems to be shifting from one extreme to another. In your view, you only need to focus in staying healthy, you almost forget about the virus. Once you are healthy, herpes is out of your life. On the other hand, in my view, I try to emphasize the importance of certain nutrients and methods that would help to keep the virus at bay on a long term, of course. The way you seem to say it, Ar, is as you would tell a deaf or blind person that by eating healthy they would regain their hearing and vision, respectivelly. That is awkward, not to say hilarious. Perl von Molson > Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] > >> >> > >> >> ar That's pretty funny coming from you, Perl. I'm not going to continue this conversation. But only to say that you always miss the point. A virus will not bother you as much if you are healthy. ar >Ar, our issues seems to be shifting from one extreme to another. > [quoted text clipped - 179 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> ar > That's pretty funny coming from you, Perl. > > I'm not going to continue this conversation. But only to say that you always > miss the point. A virus will not bother you as much if you are healthy. > > ar OK, Ar, so you are saying that with the slightest illness that you would have, the herpes activity will increase? Well, how are you going to deal with it in such a case? Of course you hope to stay healthy forever, but there are tons of viruses and microbes out there just waiting for an opportunity to enter your body. Don't get me wrong, I wish you to stay well, I am just asking about such a situation, because it doesn't make sense anymore regarding your protection against herpes activity. I can see how you would approach the issue: you might say that oh well, since you've got sick for some reason, you can care less about the herpes since your cold is a bad thing already. You see, Ar, that's where my theory comes along and I should't get any increased herpes activity even when catching a cold or other type of virus/microbes related disease. If you don't understand what I'm saying in here, I'm sorry, but that's the bottom line regarding my attempt to try to explain it to you or others like you (see Angela, the salesman). Perl von Molson > >Ar, our issues seems to be shifting from one extreme to another. > > [quoted text clipped - 179 lines] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ar One important fact of the matter is, that cortisol (hydrocortisol) has an distructive effect on collagen, which is: collagen = fibrous protein found in skin, bone and other connecting tissues. Maybe the cracks that you, Tom as well as myself get ocasionally on the lips is due to this very reason mentioned above. I will try some cream containing collagen to see if it works, as per theory. Perl von Molson I know I said I wouldn't go on any further...but I lied. :) Yes, Perl. If the immune system is strong, then herpes becomes less of a problem. Focus on keeping the immune system strong and healthy and things will be much better. With an immune system that is functioning properly, those other viruses become less of a problem as well. I never catch flus and I rarely catch colds. I did get a small cold a few weeks ago. And no herpes outbreak. The point is that my immune system is available to handle what it needs to handle because I am not overloading it with crap and I'm giving it what it needs to stay healthy. What keeps the herpes virus from coming to the surface? The immune system. Does it not make sense to keep the immune system healthy? And so what if I do get an outbreak? It is short-lived and will go away. The herpes virus is an inconvenience. But it sure as hell isn't life threatening. If my body has to be busy dealing with something that is more dangerous, then my body will let its watchful eye deal with the dangerous thing and ignore the herpes virus for a short while. I'm okay with that. When you target just one, tiny item and say that it will keep the virus from coming to the surface...it doesn't make sense. The goal for anyone should be to become as healthy as they possibly can. The body will take care of things in order of importance. The first year of infection, the herpes virus is pretty important. Once the body gets the hang of it, it will move on to other things. The body will take care of itself if we give it the proper tools. Total health: diet, exercise, and rest. ar >> That's pretty funny coming from you, Perl. >> [quoted text clipped - 229 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ar Ar, everything you say it makes sense to me. Our immune system has to stay healthy and strong in order for us to remain healthy and for herpes to stay inactive. For that matter, we need to eat healthy, exercise a lot, get lots of rest. OK, now here is the thing, Ar. In the first place, if someone would have had such a lifestyle, he would not be here at A.S.H. in the first place. As simple as that, some folks out there, having been infected with herpes virus cannot afford or doesn't want to follow such a strict lifestyle. Your formulas, Ar, for keeping herpes at bay, works only in a perfect world. Yes, we all need to follow most of those rules in order to stay healthy in general, but it just doesn't fit or apply to some of us. Nonetheless, MY theories can be applied in EVERY situation, no matter what the lifestyle. Again, the goal is to stay as healthy as possible, but it should't be a unique reference to a herpes inactivity free body. As you've read several times, Arginine is great for the immune system and you're avoiding it for the most part, which is not the best option. On the other hand, your type of diet that you follow, is way beyond some of our type of diet that we would want or can follow. Raw-food vegetarian is really out of some forks' books. In some provinces, the Premiers would kick me in my "vegetarian" guts with their cowboy boots and step on my face (just kidding, of course), if I would not have my "monthly share" of beef steaks, burger beef and all the rest of it ;O) Perl von Molson > I know I said I wouldn't go on any further...but I lied. :) > [quoted text clipped - 260 lines] > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ar I understand what you're saying, Perl. But, by not being healthy, people set themselves up for much worse later on in life. And that's my main point. Herpes today. No big deal. Cancer later...very big deal. Or, any host of diseases that develop because the body can not process the toxins that have been put in it. I'm not avoiding arginine. I just eat fresh fruit and veggies and nuts and seeds. Oh, and cheese and I love butter. The problem with your methods is that they don't make any sense. The body works as a whole...not as a part. The entire body must be treated in order for there to be health. Take care, ar >Ar, everything you say it makes sense to me. Our immune system >has to stay healthy and strong in order for us to remain healthy [quoted text clipped - 322 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ar Whatever works for you, Ar. It may not work for other people; we are all different and we require certain types of nutrients. I believe that you're going a bit too far with your assumptions that quote: "The body works > as a whole...not as a part. The entire body must be treated in order for there > to be health." You sound more like you have a Chinese type of approach to the issues of health. They say once youre helthy, your chi is flowing freely throughout your body. If there is a blockage of chi then you are sick. So, Ar, once you've figured out what you need to treat ( if you can do that), how are you going to treat it? Have you heared of the secondary effects? You see, we are going in a circle with your theories... Perl von Molson > I understand what you're saying, Perl. > [quoted text clipped - 339 lines] > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> ar > I believe that you're going a bit too far with your assumptions that >quote: >"The body works >> as a whole...not as a part. The entire body must be treated in order for there >> to be health." I'm not one to doubt the usefulness of western medicine but this statement makes sense to me. I saw an experiment once where a group of people excercised one arm over a period of time and at the end of the experiment, the other arm was stronger than before (who'd a thunk it). Not that it relates directly to this discussion but I can think of other examples that prove overall good health helps to maintain and repair specific parts of the body and fight off specific ailments. I think that's the point she's making. M2 Yes, M2. That is part of what I'm trying to say. One thing will not make you healthy. Health comes with diet, exercise, and rest. The body is a completely self-healing mechanism - as long as we give it what it needs to heal. Perl, I always find it difficult to understand how you have trouble with this point. You are otherwise so interested in alternatives. Please do some research on detox, etc, and see what you come up with. Who knows, that allusive "cure" you are always looking for may show itself to you when you begin to understand how the body works as a whole - each part dependant on the other. Mind, body, and spirit working together. A lot of time, illness is caused because 1) we have the actual disease; but 2) we won't let it go. A lot of illness is in the head - though completely real. There is something within us, psychologically that is holding on to the illness. It's been interesting learning about it. ar >> I believe that you're going a bit too far with your assumptions that >>quote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >M2 You know, Ar, the way you approach the herpes issues is taking me to the following anectode: I was reading somewhere that the use of bioenergoteraphy, such as reiki would not be recommended in the case of bacterial or viral diseases, due to (go figure!) the fact that by receiving energy, also the microbes and viruses will receive that chi, or bio-energy. This statement really made me K.O. I mean, Ar, once the body is diseased, it may need outside help to get better. How I look at your point of view is rather preventing a disease then treating it. Detoxing our body is not an easy process when dealing with herpes. How are we going to detox our lymphatic sistem, nerves and all the rest of the organs involved in the disease? Through eating lots of "carrots and apples", you may of may not be able to reach at the core of the problem. Maybe this type of regimen is great for your intestines, skin, etc but there is more to it. "There is something within us, > psychologically that is holding on to the illness" I don't really know about this; take for example the neuralgia pain that you used to have; when you are in pain, you cannot even think about healing yourself; when you are in pain you can't even remember most of these things; you'd took some antiimflamatory OTC pills, then, as you've wrote. You see, during that time, you need the pill, your mind-body self-healing process doesn't seem to work. Another great example that I want to put down for you is the following: why, Ar, do you think that bio-feedback works best for TMJD (temporo-mandibular joint disorder)? To my understandig is that the jaw is very close to the brain and when you use the bio-feedback treatment the heling energy can reach its destination easity the jaw being close to the brain. You see, my point is that some methods work in certain circumstances but we cannot generalise. You say: we need to exercise; I say, sure, but what if we have an injury and cannot give 100 % when exercising? Then you would say: treat the injury; and this can go on and on because that how life is, there are accidents, injuries, genes that are not perfect, etc etc. What if, let's say, I cannot eat too many carrots, for some reason (they give me stomach problems or such); or too many apples gives me acidity in my stomach. Too much water can increase your blood presure; and the list goes on... Do you see what I mean, Ar? Perl von Molson > Yes, M2. That is part of what I'm trying to say. One thing will not make you > healthy. Health comes with diet, exercise, and rest. The body is a completely [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > >M2 Hiya Perl, I know exactly what you mean. I really do. >I was reading somewhere that the use of bioenergoteraphy, such as reiki >would not be recommended in the case of bacterial or viral diseases, >due to (go figure!) the fact that by receiving energy, also the >microbes and viruses will receive that chi, or bio-energy. This >statement really made me K.O. That's very interesting! I had never heard that nor even thought about it much. I am able to do reiki, but have yet to see help anyone. :) I did have a reiki session done on me that was great and took care of some trouble I was having. But I'm not really into all of that. I do love accupuncture, though. :) >I mean, Ar, once the body is diseased, it may need outside help to get >better. >How I look at your point of view is rather preventing a disease then >treating it. Yes, that can be very true. And once you get rid of the disease, then the conditions inside the body need to change or else the disease will come back. I healed myself of my severe and debilitating allergies when medicine never helped. However, if I go back to allowing my body to be completely loaded up with toxins again, my allergies will come back. If the conditions don't change, the same situation will only reoccur. >Detoxing our body is not an easy process when dealing with herpes. >How are we going to detox our lymphatic sistem, nerves and all the rest >of >the organs involved in the disease? I agree. My point in detoxing my body is not to cure herpes. It's to keep my immune system functioning properly so that IT will take care of my herpes. By the way, jumping up and down on a trampoline is a GREAT way to get the lymphatic system moving. I have a mini-tramp that I use once in awhile because jumping is difficult for me. But it does wonders for others. Once you start detoxing, the body will do the rest for you! You just need to give it time to happen. >Through eating lots of "carrots and apples", you may of may not >be able to reach at the core of the problem. Maybe this type of regimen >is great for your intestines, skin, etc but there is more to it. Absolutely. The point is to give the body the tools it needs in order to begin the healing. The carrots and apples don't do the healing. They merely provide the body with what it needs to do the healing. I hope I phrased that so that it makes sense. It's all about allowing the body to do what it does - cleans itself out and heals itself. When we overload the body with toxins, it is busy dealing with that and not healing. When the toxins are eliminated, the body can concentrate on healing. This is why so many people get better after switching to a detox diet. >"There is something within us, >> psychologically that is holding on to the illness" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >You see, during that time, you need the pill, your mind-body >self-healing process doesn't seem to work. I have nothing against taking pills when they are needed. If in pain, take a pain pill. I will still have neuralgia pain when I allow my immune system to faulter and it allows the herpes virus to become active. It is a chain of events - not a one incident type of thing. Stress itself doesn't cause a herpes outbreak. Stress causes the immune system to faulter and that will, in turn, allow the herpes outbreak to happen. The goal is to find a way to keep the immune system healthy and strong during times of stress. >Another great example that I want to put down for you is the following: >why, Ar, do you think that bio-feedback works best for TMJD >(temporo-mandibular joint disorder)? To my understandig is that the jaw >is very close to the brain >and when you use the bio-feedback treatment the heling energy can >reach its destination easity the jaw being close to the brain. That's interesting. I did try bio-feedback in college for my "spastic colon" but that didn't work. It also didn't help my TMJ and I ended up wearing a bite plate at night. :) >You see, my point is that some methods work in certain circumstances I agree completely. But we can eliminate a host of problems by giving the body what it needs to cope with our world. >but we >cannot generalise. I agree. But stressing a healthy lifestyle will go a lot further to helping people to get healthy than sitting in a cold river and eating oats. >You say: we need to exercise; I say, sure, but what if we have an >injury >and cannot give 100 % when exercising? >Then you would say: treat the injury; and this can go on and on because >that how life is, there are accidents, injuries, genes that are not >perfect, etc etc. I DO have an injury yet I must exercise in order to stay healthy. As I'm sure you'll remember, I have a connective tissue disorder. I am nothing but one big injury. :) Yet I work-out with a trainer twice a week. When I skip my work-outs my pain gets a lot worse. When I maintain my work-outs, thus keeping the muscles and tissue healthy and DETOXED, then my pain is a lot less. When I dislocate my shoulder, I don't exercise it till it is better. But then I need to keep exercising it. So, your example doesn't make any sense to me. Exercise is really just some sort of activity for 15 minutes every day. It's not going to the gym for three hours three times a week. Exercise is one of the ways the body uses to get toxins out. It's important. >What if, let's say, I cannot eat too many carrots, for some reason >(they give me stomach problems or such); or too many apples gives me >acidity in my stomach. Too much water can increase your blood presure; >and the list goes on... Then I say, start slow. When I switched to raw foods, I couldn't eat any fruit at all. It all made me sick. I first started eating what I could- which was salads. I experimented with smoothies and found that I could tolerate certain fruits in smoothies when I couldn't eat them whole. Over time, I added more and more fruits and now they don't bother me. Before I could not eat all the foods that I was allergic to. But now I am no longer allergic to them, thanks to getting my immune system healthier. So, your arguement doesn't work there, either. >Do you see what I mean, Ar? Do you see what I mean, Perl? ar A question for you, Ar: You always say all the health problems you or others may have related or not to herpes are due to the immune system's malfunctioning. How did you got to this conclussion? I would rather say that higher levels of hormons of various types may have a role in here. For example cortisol, as I've mentioned it before. It can be though, that due to the hormonal imbalances, the immune system not to be able to reach the target. A good example I reckon from reading about it somewhere, is that fat, for example, may be a blockage for the immune system to reach some areas in our body. So you see, it may not be the Immune System per se, it may be fine, the problem can have different origins. In other words, being tired, not having enough sleep and other things that you've poited to be crucial for maintaining a free herpes activity body, may resume itself to trying to balance your hormonal levels. Stress hormones may eventually be "leveled" to normal levels, before they eventually would become an impediment for the Immune System. The awareness about this particular inter-relation should be a signal for us to unconciously start calming down and allow the healing of our stressed body. allow us to prevent a situation that can turn our body into a Regarding the pills, I personally avoid them, I only use herbal remedies with antiinflamatory properties. Jumping on a trampoline, as you've said it, sounds like a good way to point out the importance of a different type of exercise. Don't forget swimming is the best. While in the water, you can do various exercises, besides the regular crawl swim. Perl von Molson > Hiya Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] > > ar Hi Perl, I agree about swimming! But I haven't been in a pool in...20 years. :) I keep thinking that I'll get my act together, buy a bathingsuit and jump on in..but I'm just lying to myself. As far as activity goes, it's good to do something different every day in order to work other parts of the body. Of course, the best exercise would be an activity that you actually enjoy. This is something that I have yet to find. When your hormone levels go wacky, it stresses the immune system. Yes, there are different reasons as to why hormone levels go wacky. Sometimes it IS because of the immune system - as in the case of autoimmune thyroid disease. The problem with the immune system causes an attack on the thyroid thus causing thyroid disease. However, it can go in reverse as well. I think that environmental problems could be partially to blame for hormone problems as well as a predisposition for the disease. A failing or over-active immune system didn't cause us to get herpes. But by keeping the immune system functioning properly, we can bring the chances of an outbreak way down. And that is all I'm saying. If we keep our immune systems functioning properly, then the chances of becoming ill will lessen. With a properly functioning immune system, things such as allergies, autoimmune arthritis, autoimmune thyroid disease, Irritable Bowel System, chronic fatigue, Fibro, etc, etc., have a much better chance of being "cured" or better maintained. It's not an "all or nothing" as you seem to read into my posts. Mind, body and spirit are all important. Overall health is important. You seem to keep trying to isolate just one thing that will stop herpes outbreaks. I just don't think that's going to happen. But better maintaining your immune system WILL help control those outbreaks - as that is what it is supposed to do. Where did I get my information? That's kind of like asking me to prove that breathing oxygen is good for you. It's rather basic, standard, knowledge. Yes, diets high in animal fat are not helping the body at all. For many reasons. Vegetable fats are easier to assimilate and will aid health. Take care, ar I agree pretty much with most of what you've said. It's just, the way I really see a herpes-free body, would be when drinking any ammount of alcohol, eating the largest amoount of arginine from food, lacking sleep and comfort and all the rest of it, would stiil not cause herpes to become active. >From your particular perspective, with other health problems as you've mentioned that you are having them, it would not be adviceable to follow such a provocation, but I would not let myself falsly induced in error by such a monk-type lifestyle. Basically, Ar, you are talking the other extreme. Therefore I consider my types of treatments as non-dependent of the lifestyle. Wether cure or just inactive herpes, whichever way it can be achieved, there are no restrictions in my book on almost any sort. I don't think that from drinking or lack of sleep, someone should have a lower immune response. Perl von Molson > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Take care, > ar Hi Perl, I understand what you're saying. But, with a healthy immune system, then going out for a drink or eating the wrong foods won't cause it ill effect. Everything is fine in moderation. But most people (myself included) have trouble with the moderation part. I'm currently on a sugar binge. No herpes outbreaks, though. It' not like, you eat one thing wrong and have an outbreak. Your body would not be on the brink of disaster that way. It would be in balance and this allows for give and take on both sides. Also, today you are working on not having herpes outbreaks. In twenty years, a poor lifestyle may have brought on some far more serious illnesses to worry about. I know it did for me. So, by stopping the ill health cycle now, hopefully, everyone will be healthier in their future. ar >I agree pretty much with most of what you've said. > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> Take care, >> ar >the way I really see a herpes-free body, would be >when drinking any ammount of alcohol, eating the largest amoount >of arginine from food, lacking sleep and comfort and all the rest of >it, would stiil not cause herpes to become active. Just a quick point.... there are many many infected individuals who's outbreaks are never triggered by any of the above nor even the combination of all of them. And yet, they're bodies are not Herpes free. Then, out of the blue for no apparent reason (or trigger), boom.. there's an outbreak. Sometimes years apart. M2 >Just a quick point.... there are many many infected individuals who's >outbreaks are never triggered by any of the above nor even the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >M2 That's a good point, M2. ar > >Just a quick point.... there are many many infected individuals who's > >outbreaks are never triggered by any of the above nor even the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ar What do you mean, it's a good point? You just said at least a dozen times during the past few weeks that a healthy body will not get outbreaks? ?????????? Perl von Molson No Perl. You keep misunderstanding. A healthy body will better fight off outbreaks. If someone is having frequent outbreaks, then they should take a look at their immune system and start trying to work on that in order to help stop the outbreaks from continuing. I've mentioned to you before that you have an all or nothing understanding of what I'm trying to say. It's not an all or nothing. But a healthy immune system is the first line of battle against reoccuring outbreaks. ar >> >Just a quick point.... there are many many infected individuals who's >> >outbreaks are never triggered by any of the above nor even the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Perl von Molson When did I say in my 2'd last post(the one you were responding to) that I was discussing about a chronically infected with herpes, body? I did talk about staying herpes free and not about NO, I DON'T "KEEP MISSUNDERSTANDING"! The way you're talking about the immune system, would be more appropriate for people with A.I.D.S. Why you alway talk about the immune sytem as it would be completely ill and unresponding to herpes activity? I'm afraid to say that, unless you will change the pattern of your thoughts in my topics, Ar, our discussions are going nowhere. Let me please, refresh your memory: My immune system works fine; I am getting to a point where, I can get back completely to a diet and lifestyle where it would not affect me from getting absolutely any herpes activity whatsoever. My methods seems to have worked terrific, as I hoped they would. My knowledge in this field of herpes virus have grown above my initial expectations. Lack of sleep, typical former herpes activity causal diet, stress, you name it, all the rest of the other factors, does not have any negative effect on me regarding herpes activity anymore. My last goal is to try to understand why they work at the very core of the problems. Now, that I've found what works, will be probably even more difficult to figure out why it works. Perl von Molson > No Perl. You keep misunderstanding. A healthy body will better fight off > outbreaks. If someone is having frequent outbreaks, then they should take a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > >Perl von Molson Hi Perl, Yes, our conversations never go anywhere because you don't understand what I'm trying to say. That's okay. You can respond to this post and have the 'last word' if you wish. My point to you, and I'll restate it, is that you can't isolate just one thing that is causing herpes outbreaks. You can not find just one thing that will keep outbreaks from happening. My point is that if you are looking for something that will help people to stop having outbreaks, then a good place to start is with getting the immune system back in balance to where it can do its job. I push health that comes with eating right, getting enough sleep, exercise, and trying to destress. These things strengthen the immune system and the immune system is what keeps the virus in check. You push different things every few months. Each thing is "the" thing. This month it is sitting in a cold stream - one foot deep - and eating oats. Good luck to you, Perl. ar That's not the case, Ar, you seem a very open and down to Earth person. I enjoy our conversations, it is just the fact that you keep telling me that I don't understand that by having a good diet, enough sleep and exercise, I can keep my immune system healthy, is what I don't like. I DO UNDERSTANT THIS, AS I DID UNDERSTOOD THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SAID IT, A FEW YEARS AGO, I RECKON. It is just obviously not enough in order to get to a point where our bodies will not be affected by any triggers. Just trying to keep your immune system healthy, alone, will not resolve the herpes problem. We need to go beyond this very approach. I DO NOT HAVE ALLERGIES TO A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT NORMALLY WERE A TRIGGER OF HERPES ACTIVITY IN THE PAST. That is why I could have increased the ammount of such triggers in order to offer a progression into dealing with the herpes activity and finally become herpes activity-free. If you have allergies to certain herpes causal factors, then it is VERY ADVICEABLE NOT TO INCREASE THE AMMOUNT OF THOSE FACTORS. If that's the case, then your immune system is malfunctioning and not able to cope with the allergents. It is not my case, though. First of all, if allergic to some foods etc, you are not suppose to increase the ammount of allergent, it can even kill you if you do it. I do not know, for that matter, what to tell you, or others that have that allergy problem, specifically for the reason of following my patterns of successfully, lowering the herpes activity. OK, in order to help my body to progressivly copeing with the herpes activity, I have to help my body (including the immune system); that type of exercise when massaging my lymph, other organs responsible for a proper flow of blood and other bodyly fluids, is an example of a treatment that I used. Providing the nerves with a nerves soothing effect nutrition, the famous oats poridge is doing a fantastic job, and so forth. Perl von Molson > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > ar >Lack of sleep, typical former herpes activity causal diet, stress, >you name it, all the rest of the other factors, does not have any >negative effect on me regarding herpes activity anymore. Another quick point and question - Although most people infected never have a noticable outbreak, many of the ones who DO have a primary/initial outbreak will experience further outbreaks. Eventually they fade in intensity and frequency though. Many times they'll disappear completely after a couple of years whether any sort of treatmenst is involved or not. Perl, how do you know your "treatmennts" are having an effect on your outbreaks rather than the disease simply running its typical course? M2 Obviously, I was not understood in my approach to dealing with herpes. I push to the limit the causal of herpes activity in a pattern that allows me to deal with herpes succesfully; that is, for example, if eating lots of arginine containing foods, such as peanuts, other nuts, corn, beer, etc, I do get to a point of a suprasaturation of my body of these things. Normally, for a body not used to dealing with healing herpes ( during the first 2 years of chronically infected with a stubborn herpes form), during such a "testing" of your own body for how it would deal with the disease, you will give-up at one point, due to the uncomfortness, such as nerve pain, head aches, muscle soreness, mental anxiety, etc. Following a pattern that allows your body to cope with such a diet, in steps, thus increasing the ammounts in time, and also discovering how you can help your body using various methods, you will be able to go through a long term such progression, without giving up. M2slo2cht, you don't seem to comprehend the fact that I've seen progress into my body's ability in copeing with the herpes virus. you say: "Many times they'll > disappear completely after a couple of years whether any sort of > treatmenst is involved or not." I DIDN'T WANT TO LET IT DISSAPEAR! You see my point? Instead of following some peoples' way of thinking: "oh, I don't bother with dealing with herpes, because for a couple of years I'll be fine, the herpes OB's, eventually will diminish in intensity and of course at one point or another it will come back for whatever reason, whenever the virus will CHOOSE TO DO IT HIMSELF", right? You see, this UNCERTAINTY seems to be the worst case scenario out of all the other problems herpes is causing. In my particular way of approaching dealing with herpes simplex, THIS TYPE OF UNCERTAINTY WILL DISSAPEAR ALLTOGETHER. Once a progression pattern it's been establish, there will no more factors causal of the UNCERTAINTY. Perl von Molson > >Lack of sleep, typical former herpes activity causal diet, stress, > >you name it, all the rest of the other factors, does not have any [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > M2 > >the way I really see a herpes-free body, would be > >when drinking any ammount of alcohol, eating the largest amoount [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > M2 Well, it takes a lot of experience and knowledge, to actually identify the so caled "hidden triggers". I cannot speak for other people; and I don't even need to do it. I can speak for myself, though. Nonetheless, as Ar said it these days, some "hidden triggers" that go unnoticed may be some more or less serious diseases, that those people are not aware they have. I don't want to go into details; it's a too complex story. Perl von Molson >The way you seem to say it, Ar, is as you would tell a deaf or blind >person that by eating healthy they would regain their hearing and >vision, respectivelly. Actually, Perlie, that's what *you* are doing. Are your prattling is to no effect: You will never rid yourself of the herpes virus. Mike Perl ~ I believe it's probably time for you to learn how to knit. Angela :)  SignatureThe STD Resource Network - by Those Who Live It! www.yoshi2me.com www.herpes-help.org www.herpesonline.org www.std-for-dummies.org > Just a question that I have...how is cortisol made and is it from foods that > a person has eaten or other chemicals? Are you saying that cortisol causes > herpes to be a chronic problem or that it causes a persons herpes to be > active and shed more frequently or both? > > Thanks, My intuition and past reading related to cortisol, tells me that it is so, but I do not have so far, any research papers available (online or otherwise), to confirm this. Would be of interest to find out. I will let you know, in here, as soon as I find any proof. I came to this pressumption by reading several articles where the specificity of the cortisol was not directly linked to herpes activity but it was enough, to get my attention on the issues due to the mechanisms and some variables that entered into the herpes ecuation. I haven't found a similar substance and such, so closely related to herpes activity mechanism as cortisol seems to be. It is hard to explain to you right now, but if you would've studied the herpes virus as I did, for a long time, you would perhaps have understood, how I could have conceived the underlying factors of my supposition. These are sensitive issues and hopefully I will clarify them shortly. Perl von Molson > > One major factor causal of chronic herpes is high levels of cortisol > > in the body. > > > > The best way to cope when predisposed to such a hormonal imbalance > > is to visualise and mentally try to help the body to lower its cortisol > > levels. Well I don't know that much about cortisol, but I do know that lately my outbreaks have been kind of active and its because I am going through alot of stress at work because we are in the middle of a big merger. I've had one after another although they aren't big ones. Mostly I get tingling and burning and soreness for a week and then it goes away. Once with several small sores which lasted about 3 weeks, while taking valtrex, another time a week and one sore with no valtrex, now a week later I feel tingly AGAIN! I am pretty healthy although in the winter I get flus and colds. Usually I make sure I've taken the flu shot, but I don't eat that well (too many cupcakes!), and don't get enough sleep (usually 6 hours), little or no exercise etc. So that's probably it as well. Also since I have HSV1 genital, I am not sure why I am so active in terms of outbreaks, because people tell me that with HSV1 you only get 1-2 a year and with HSV2 you get 4-5 or 6-8 depending. I've already had about 6 this year alone! > My intuition and past reading related to cortisol, tells me that it is > so, but I do not have [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > is to visualise and mentally try to help the body to lower its cortisol > > > levels. Hey Perl..you are just coming with a 'guessing game' for herpes sufferers. LOL..LOL..LOL.. |
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