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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / March 2005The hope for a cure is revitalized
Indeed, since the revelation about the acne's relationship with herpes, there are now more options opened toward a cure. There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own role in eliminating some of acne's subtile rather unnoticed chronic problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks' problematic. Let's keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! You go, Perlie! Perl von Molson > Indeed, since the revelation about the acne's > relationship with herpes, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Perl von Molson Good luck clearing the virus from the ganglion, since nobody to date has done so. > > Indeed, since the revelation about the acne's > > relationship with herpes, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Good luck clearing the virus from the ganglion, since nobody to date has > done so. Thanks a bunch. Perl von Molson >Indeed, since the revelation about the acne's >relationship with herpes, >there are now more options opened toward >a cure. >There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own >role in eliminating some of acne's subtile rather unnoticed chronic >problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks' >problematic. >Let's keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! >Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! >You go, Perlie! Hey, Perl! It may come as a shock to you, but one doesn't "do scientific research" on a newsgroup. Not even a support newsgroup. Ya see, Perl, real scientists read each other's work all the time, and unlike you, they know what's going on, research-wise, in the field of viruses. The idea that YOU are going to read even a small portion of the relevant literature and discover some connection or make some inference that hundreds or thousands of people with far more knowledge and much more smarts than you have previously missed or not made is laughable. Newbies beware: Perl is either a troll, or the dumbest person you've seen in awhile (which is the same thing, really). Take all of his recommendations and ideas with a very large grain of salt. Mike Soja >Perl von Moron Well I guess we'll have to be careful. Herpes has become a very real and very painful problem both physically and emotionally. I think its good to have varied input from different users though. I did however hear somewhere that acne was related to herpes outbreaks, but it doesn't mean that if you have acne you have herpes. > Newbies beware: Perl is either a troll, or the dumbest person you've > seen in awhile (which is the same thing, really). Take all of his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > >Perl von Moron >Well I guess we'll have to be careful. Herpes has become a very real and >very painful problem both physically and emotionally. I strongly sympathize with your situation, and with others for whom the pain and trauma is very real, and it is mainly for the sakes of such people that I give Perlie a hard time. Not only do you and others come here with the physical and emotional shocks of finding out you have this incurable (and in your case, quite bothersome) disease, but you don't yet know all the little technical details of viruses in general and herpes in particular, and then you have to deal with the notion that someone posting to a support group might not actually have your best interests at heart. That person would be Perl. He has lied about the long term effects of Valtrex and Acyclovir, while disparaging their overall effectiveness. He has cast unfounded aspersions at people here who recommend those proven and effective drugs. His postings otherwise largely consist of material unrelated to the core purpose of the group, and he repeatedly recommends procedures or alternate "treatments" which, if followed uncritically, could be harmful to the user. > I think its good to >have varied input from different users though. I heartily agree. And criticizing Perl is part of the "varied input" that happens around here. When Perl recommended heating up wooden spoons and holding them to his lips/oral region as a cure for herpes I laughed at him. When he or someone else recommended grinding up black walnuts and smearing them on the skin, I pointed out the silliness and laughed some more. When Perl talked about creating an infusion of garlic in oil to smear on his lips, I pointed out the danger of botulism in his preparation method. When he's talked about DMSO and MSM, I pointed out the dangers there. He recently made claims about gluten that were wrong, and I corrected him. He's been here for three years and he has rarely been right about anything, and even less often has he been even a little bit helpful. > I did however hear somewhere >that acne was related to herpes outbreaks, but it doesn't mean that if you >have acne you have herpes. "[R]elated" can mean a lot of different things. Perhaps people disposed to severe HSV outbreaks are also disposed to severe acne. Perhaps acne, in some people, is a trigger for herpes outbreaks, just as with other people strong sun or damp cold can trigger an outbreak, but that doesn't mean that Perl can find a cure for herpes by taking up the study of meteorology. If the sun triggers outbreaks in YOU, then wear wide-brimmed hats and use sunblock. If acne triggers outbreaks, then treat the acne, and you might have fewer outbreaks, but don't fall prey to the illusion that you are doing anything other than reducing the symptoms. With respect to Perl, all I'm saying is that based on his posting history over the last three years, people should be extremely skeptical of his claims and suggestions. It might be hard to believe, but there ARE people in this world who get their jollies out of contributing to the misery of others. Take care, Mike Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still sick with herpes, waiting to see my doctor for medicine and have had alot of physical pain and emotional trauma, having feelings of being alone. It doesn't make any sense why someone like Perl would have herpes and want to make other with herpes suffer. Thanks, Tom It might be hard to > believe, but there ARE people in this world who get their jollies > out of contributing to the misery of others. > > Take care, > > Mike Hi Tom, I don't believe Perl is actually wanting people to suffer. I believe he actual thinks he is helping. The problem is that he is very misguided. Do you need to wait to see your doctor for medication? Just ask if they will phone it in to the pharmacy for you. Many doctors will because they understand that this is a pain that can not wait. ar >Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of >others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Thanks, >Tom Hello ar, Well my primary or monster outbreak is almost on the way out except for tiredness, body aches, back ache and still some blisters that keep coming out, but I am slowly getting better. I figured I waited this long that I can wait to see him in a little over a week. I never told my primary doctor that I had contracted herpes several years back, and I wanted to tell him the whole story of what happened years ago and how recently it got worse (more frequent and more severe) from stress(?) I am going to tell him that I really think I need medicine to control the outbreaks. Does that sound okay like that? Thanks, Tom > Hi Tom, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Thanks, > >Tom Hi Tom, It sure does sound fine. Let's hope he prescribes the meds. Make sure you have a copy of your bloodtest saying you have type 1. (If it is a different doctor than did the test) Keep us informed. ar >Hello ar, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >Thanks, >> >Tom Well okay, I will keep you all informed. I don't see why he wouldn't prescribe them, since he is pretty good about prescribing other things that I needed in the past and I had been going to him for about 6 years now. The only way he wouldn't prescribe it is if he thinks I don't need it for the reason, or that the test was borderline, but we'll see. If not I'll just keep taking Lysine and keeping a good diet. I went off the Lysine for a week just to see if it made a difference and I did notice that I felt alot worse when not using it. I went back on the Lysine and in a couple of days felt better. As far as meds go, I have talked to other people with genital herpes, and quite a few didn't take meds at all. So I wonder if there is a lower percentage of people that actually use meds and if this is because these are the people that actually reported it to their doctor or maybe because alot of people didn't really know what it was initially or didn't care about it? Tom > Hi Tom, > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> >Thanks, > >> >Tom i don't use meds simply because my insurance plan is not very good with prescriptions, and I don't really have the money to spend on this right now. However, if my OBs were to get signficantly worse, I'd definitely have to consider it. Well if I have another outbreak like this again, I'm about ready to kill myself. This was really bad! The funny thing is now almost all the symptoms are going in terms of itching and blisters and burning, but I still have this annoying back ache, even on the upper back, and my glands in my back, underarms and neck are sore as if I have mono also, and that cannot be because I already had mono. My prescription plan is pretty good. I think valtrex is retail $240.00 and with my plan it would be $20.00 per month. > i don't use meds simply because my insurance plan is not very good with > prescriptions, and I don't really have the money to spend on this right > now. However, if my OBs were to get signficantly worse, I'd definitely > have to consider it. > >Indeed, since the revelation about the acne's > >relationship with herpes, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Hey, Perl! It may come as a shock to you, but one doesn't "do > scientific research" on a newsgroup. Not even a support newsgroup. You don't get the satirical side of some stories? > Ya see, Perl, real scientists read each other's work all the time, > and unlike you, they know what's going on, research-wise, in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more knowledge and much more smarts than you have previously missed > or not made is laughable. OK, let's laugh together, then. > Newbies beware: Perl is either a troll, or the dumbest person you've > seen in awhile (which is the same thing, really). Take all of his > recommendations and ideas with a very large grain of salt. How about a pallet of sugar based homeopathic pill? > Mike Mouse the tiny one > > >Perl von Molson Pardon the curiosity Perl, but what has re-energized your research efforts? If I'm not mistaken, you recently had given up trying to eliminate the herpes virus after several unsuccessful attempts. I'm just wondering what caused the change of heart? > Pardon the curiosity Perl, but what has re-energized your research efforts? > If I'm not mistaken, you recently had given up trying to eliminate the > herpes virus after several unsuccessful attempts. I'm just wondering what > caused the change of heart? I consider as a rather naive approach to the problem of herpes if there are being ignored a series of other factors that seem to be related. Let's not forget that, from a highly infected population with herpes simplex virus, only a small percentage seems to have a chronic series of outbreaks along a period of time that can be exteded for decades to some. At the core of the causality it has to be other factors involved than those already taken in consideration. I've always noticed how the skin behaves during a herpes activation. There are several characteristics of the way the skin reacts to a "foreign object" such as a virus. In homeopathy, there is a remedy namely "silica" (flint) that has the following "key symptoms": Boil or carbuncle is filled with bad-smelling pus; infections from a foreign body in the tissue; swollen lymph nodes. (inspired from 'homeopathic self-care by Robert Ullman, N.D., JR-Ullman, N.D.) Such an approach to the disease made me rethink and consider to bring a follow-up, using a different pattern of treatment. As a tip, try reading a little about acne, in special from books that use naturistic and nutritional treatments; a great start would be "Prescriptions for Natural Cures" by James Balch M.D. and Mark Stengler, N.D.; you will be surprised by the findings. Perl von Molson |
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