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Grant, good point about foods, you've made

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Perl Molson - 25 Feb 2005 19:59 GMT
that is, how a healthy diet would prevent herpes outbreaks.

Foods, including spices.

There is only one issue here: for man and women it may vary due
to a series of factors that differ in the genders, such as
those that can bring a hormonal inbalance.

Perl von Molson
Grant - 26 Feb 2005 13:27 GMT
Hi Pearle.

I'm not sure about foods bringing on hormonal imbalances.  I do believe that an
unhealthy diet can create a state in the body that would allow that to happen.
 
Spices I don't know a lot about.

Herbs probably could mess you up.  I think that it is a good idea to know what
you are putting in your body.  But to separate "herbs" from "food."

ar

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Perl Molson - 26 Feb 2005 20:54 GMT
> Hi Pearle.
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> ar

My ideea is that, stress, metabolism and proper assimilation of various
foods at al,
go hand in hand with the hormonal balance in our body.
Some foods and other nutrients (spices, herbs, vitamins etc)
can have a greater impact in the process.
Female and male's bodies are different and that was my point in this
topic.
Different nutrients work in different ways for each gender.

It seems to be quite an important point.
For example, it is a known fact that males can cope with greater
ammounts of alcoholic beverages, better then women due to the different
body structure.
"...man's liver can finish breaking down one drink of alcohol in
about an hour. It
takes a woman's liver longer to complete processing..."
http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/Content.asp?ID=601

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa46.htm

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Grant - 27 Feb 2005 13:32 GMT
I know you were using the alcohol just to make a point.  So I'll use it too.  If
'you' were really interested in health, then you would not use alcohol.

My point being, that an orange is going to react the same for a man as it will
for a woman.  By eating fresh fruits and fresh, raw, salads, you will do more to
reduce stress and metabolic upset in the body.  The use of spices and herbs
might not be necessary at all.  A clean diet will give you a clean body and a
clean body will assimilate the minerals and vitamins that it needs.  That's in a
perfect world, of course.  :)

So, instead of looking at what to add, such as herbs or spices, look at the
total intake and make the change at the very basic level.  Which would be what
one eats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  If you eat sausage, for instance,
then you may need an herb to counteract the damage that the sausage will do to
your body.  But if you just remove the sausage from your diet, the herb is not
necessary.

ar

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Perl Molson - 27 Feb 2005 20:44 GMT
> I know you were using the alcohol just to make a point.  So I'll use it too.  If
> 'you' were really interested in health, then you would not use alcohol.

true. although, have you read the articles about the
wild animals or farm animals that, due to eating large ammouts of
fruits ( in special if follen from the trees in the grass), they ingest
a little alcohol with it?
There was the great example how animals ingest alcohol, too, and it
is supposed to be "natural" right?

I still doubt that we need alcohol for health. Or as your story goes,
eat
a lot more fruits and there is the alcohol!

> My point being, that an orange is going to react the same for a man as it will
> for a woman.

An orange, perhaps. Not soya, or tofu or other important (crucial for a
vegetarian) foods. As I've wrote in here, soya is great for women but
not for men, due to its high estrogen content (well, it make the body
produce estrogen
or something like that).
I start to wonder if vegetarianism is meant to be for women only.

By eating fresh fruits and fresh, raw, salads, you will do more to
> reduce stress and metabolic upset in the body.

not necessarily. Please read below some examples I've wrote about how
fresh fruit does not mean a better metabolism (unless you follow a
precise
type of fruit list, to work for that matter)

 The use of spices and herbs
> might not be necessary at all.  A clean diet will give you a clean body and a
> clean body will assimilate the minerals and vitamins that it needs.  That's in a
> perfect world, of course.  :)

I won't necessarily call it a "perfect world", considering that for
example,
flax seed oil and other fibers tent to extract all the minerals and
other
valuable nutrients from the intestine. When consuming large ammounts of
fiber
you may end up with vitamin/mineral deficiency.

On top of that, the assimilation of fruits seems to be more difficult.
(I recall even my mother wrote me that she needs to eat fruits as a
separate
meal in order to have a better digestion).

If you would do a search on the net, you will find recent studies that
(was even on the CNN site) the raw diet is not a necessarily healthier
diet.

Just to add, I was also trying a limited kind of vegetarian diet,
before
and believe me, I would never do it again. I was not fun at all believe
me.
I was literally low in energy.

I think that IF the vegetarian/raw diet works for some people, those
folks need to know exactly what they are doing. In special it depends
on the ammout of energy their body is using on a daily basis.

> So, instead of looking at what to add, such as herbs or spices, look at the
> total intake and make the change at the very basic level.

Herbs, spices have for the most part antiviral properties and
play other beneficial roles for our bodies. Help regulate metabolism,
normalize blood pressure, etc.
Of course there is need for knowledge there, too.

 Which would be what
> one eats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  If you eat sausage, for instance,
> then you may need an herb to counteract the damage that the sausage will do to
> your body.  But if you just remove the sausage from your diet, the herb is not
> necessary.

I don't eat sausages anymore. I just stay away from it. In special
considering the ammount of preservants they contain (MSG stuff like
that).
Even without, organic ones, are perhaps a bad choice.

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Grant - 28 Feb 2005 11:32 GMT
Hi Perl,

We've had the soy discussion before.  It is NOT a good food for anyone to eat.
Vegetarians who eat a lot of soy are not healthy people - that's a
generalization, of course.  As I have told you before, I eat no soy.  You keep
believing that soy is necessary for a vegetarian diet so I then assume that you
really aren't too knowledgeable about vegetarian diets at all.  Soy is not
healthy for women either.

Fruit is the most easily digestable food on the planet.  Again, I believe that
your ideas of vegetarian diets is incorrect because you did not know this.
People have problems with fruit only because they eat it incorrectly.  Yes!  You
are supposed to eat it either prior to eating anything else or as a meal alone.
The reason is that it ferments quickly in the body.  If you eat something else
that hits the digestion tract prior to the fruit and takes longer to process,
then the fruit gets held up in the body and will ferment.  This causes many of
the problems that people experience with fruit.

Actually, eating a raw food diet DOES help the body to handle outside stress
better.  And many people eating this diet (men and women) have had metabolic
disorders correct themselves.

I've read the anti-raw sites.  I really believe that the problem is fear.
People fear finding out that they really are the reason behind their bad health.

And as we've talked about before...a LIMITED vegetarian diet is as dangerous as
a LIMITED cooked food/meat eating diet.  People will pick apart a vegetarian
diet but then turn around and eat at McDonalds a few times a week and put sugar
and other processed crap into their bodies without thinking twice about it.
There is no way that a healthy vegetarian diet can be worse than a normal
Standard American Diet (SAD).

ar
 
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