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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / March 2005Perl's final statement: No cure so far
Yes, folks, a sadly statement in the title, as I've tried to trigger outbreaks, well, I've got cold sores; quite minimal but there are obvious signs of herpes virus. Some 3 little cuts in the bottom and top lips and one small sore (didn't become a blister after aplying some of the effective treatments I know, but it's clear a sign of herpes virus). Cold weather, sleepless nights, expresso coffee, tons of nuts, oranges has eventually taking the virus out of the dormant state. For what I'm concern, I tried all I could to get rid of the virus in my body but apparently I failed. I have no more options for attempting another cure and so I give up. That's the end of the story. My treatments work great. There is no pain whatsoever ( I don't call that pain). Minor troubles and stuff like that. No biggie. Obviously with time body is coping easier with the whole thing. Didn't got any colds (influenza virus) infections in eons. The fight with the virus probably helps for that one. It's been a long 3-4 years of personal research about this virus and it's about time to hang up the boots... there is really no point wasting any more time on the subject. The cure is out of discussion. I was just hoping... Jeeeeze Pearlie. I don't think I've ever seen you so down. But I'm sure you have more important things in your life to keep you occupied. How's about turning your considerable energy toward a more productive subject? I can see you have some amazing energy. You gave this a good shot and you learned a thing or two about more than just Herpes... as have we all. You can't complain about that, can you? Cheer up Hang in M2 >Yes, folks, a sadly statement in the title, >as I've tried to trigger outbreaks, well, I've got [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >I was just hoping... >Yes, folks, a sadly statement in the title, >as I've tried to trigger outbreaks, well, I've got >cold sores; quite minimal but there are obvious signs of herpes virus. >Some 3 little cuts in the bottom and top lips and one small sore >(didn't become a blister after aplying some of the effective treatments >I know, but it's clear a sign of herpes virus). >Cold weather, sleepless nights, expresso coffee, tons of nuts, oranges >has eventually taking the virus out of the dormant state. >For what I'm concern, I tried all I could to get rid of the virus >in my body but apparently I failed. >I have no more options for attempting another cure >and so I give up. >That's the end of the story. >My treatments work great. There is no pain whatsoever ( I don't call >that pain). >Minor troubles and stuff like that. No biggie. >Obviously with time body is coping easier with the whole thing. >Didn't got any colds (influenza virus) infections in eons. >The fight with the virus probably helps for that one. I kinda doubt that's true, Perlie, though I'd have to do some net research on it to be sure. It's more likely that your own personal concern for your health for the last four years has contributed more to your well-being (at least your physical well-being) than anything else. >It's been a long 3-4 years of personal research about this virus and > it's about time to hang up the boots... there is really no point >wasting any more time on the subject. The cure is out of discussion. >I was just hoping... Adios, Perlie. It's been virtually real. Good luck in your future endeavors. Mike > >Cold weather, sleepless nights, expresso coffee, tons of nuts, oranges > >has eventually taking the virus out of the dormant state. > > >For what I'm concern, I tried all I could to get rid of the virus > >in my body but apparently I failed. You failed to rid your body of the virus but you're essentially symptom-free. Except by your own standards, you succeeded. You had to actually induce the outbreak. > >That's the end of the story. Mike will have to find somebody else to kick around between scarfing down Big Macs and chasing them with Valtrex and Cherry Coke. > >My treatments work great. There is no pain whatsoever ( I don't call > >that pain). So why worry? No symptoms, no medical problem for you. > >Obviously with time body is coping easier with the whole thing. > >Didn't got any colds (influenza virus) infections in eons. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to your well-being (at least your physical well-being) than anything > else. That's a nice way of calling the guy a nut-case. > >It's been a long 3-4 years of personal research about this virus and > > it's about time to hang up the boots... there is really no point > >wasting any more time on the subject. The cure is out of discussion. > > >I was just hoping... You did what you could do. Previous poster is probably right. Focus your energy on something more important than ridding yourself of a virus that causes YOU essentially no symptoms now that you have essentially complete control over outbreaks. >> >Cold weather, sleepless nights, expresso coffee, tons of nuts, >oranges >> >has eventually taking the virus out of the dormant state. >> >For what I'm concern, I tried all I could to get rid of the virus >> >in my body but apparently I failed. >You failed to rid your body of the virus but you're essentially >symptom-free. Except by your own standards, you succeeded. You had to >actually induce the outbreak. Drew!!! How ya doin', pal. Long time no see. Don't forget that a reduction in frequency and severity of outbreaks is NORMAL the longer one has herpes. It is extremely unlikely that anything Perlie did in the last four years, other than attend to his general health, had any material effect on the activity of the virus. >> >That's the end of the story. >Mike will have to find somebody else to kick around between scarfing >down Big Macs and chasing them with Valtrex and Cherry Coke. I haven't had a Big Mac in AGES, I've never eaten Valtrex, and while I used to adore Cherry Coke®, I can't remember the last time I had one. I probably drink a soda once a month, almost always a Diet Coke®. I do buy a lot of water, though. And beer, wine, whisky, and corn squeezings, too, it goes without saying. But what's up, Drew? I don't seek people to kick around. I've had a few issues with Perlie, but he's a big boy (how big, I don't know) and hasn't been shy about having a few issues with ME, so ... ... so THERE! NAH! >> >My treatments work great. There is no pain whatsoever ( I don't call >> >that pain). >So why worry? No symptoms, no medical problem for you. It's still annoying. It's still transmittable. No one likes it. Everyone wants to try to do something about it. For THAT, Perlie can't be faulted. Some of his methods were laughable, a few of his methods were dangerous, a lot of it was entirely misplaced, but all of that was his to evaluate. >> >Obviously with time body is coping easier with the whole thing. >> >Didn't got any colds (influenza virus) infections in eons. >> >The fight with the virus probably helps for that one. >> I kinda doubt that's true, Perlie, though I'd have to do some net >> research on it to be sure. It's more likely that your own personal >> concern for your health for the last four years has contributed more >> to your well-being (at least your physical well-being) than anything >> else. >That's a nice way of calling the guy a nut-case. I've called him a nutcase before, and his idea that the virus somehow stimulates the immune system to fight *other* diseases seems to me to border on nuttiness just a little. Like I say, I haven't looked into it, and so can't rule it out definitely, but I think it far more likely that all diseases put some strain on the limited resources of the immune system. I cannot think of any enhanced "strength" derived from learning how to make one form of antibody or another. The cells that perform such tasks are not like muscles, which grow stronger with exercise. They are just cells. However, a stronger body will have stronger, healthier cells, but, again, HSV does not cause stronger bodies. Mike >> >It's been a long 3-4 years of personal research about this virus and >> > it's about time to hang up the boots... there is really no point >> >wasting any more time on the subject. The cure is out of discussion. >> >I was just hoping... >You did what you could do. Previous poster is probably right. Focus >your energy on something more important than ridding yourself of a >virus that causes YOU essentially no symptoms now that you have >essentially complete control over outbreaks. > >> >Cold weather, sleepless nights, expresso coffee, tons of nuts, > >oranges [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > one. I probably drink a soda once a month, almost always a Diet > Coke®. What's up with this "Cherry Coke"? Big Mac? That has hormones from the cows that have been injected with it. I do buy a lot of water, though. At least is ozonated? I've read that a lot of the water sold as drinking water was found to be much contaminated that the tap water. >From the plastic containers to other problems during the storage and transportation, there are lots of chances for that bottled water to become not as clean as we would like it to be. And beer, wine, whisky, partying a lot lately? > and corn squeezings, too, it goes without saying. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > methods were dangerous, a lot of it was entirely misplaced, but all > of that was his to evaluate. Maybe, but for the most part I kind of sorted out which one has what effect. I've always thought that learning about health is already a way of getting healthier. Think about someone that drinks a case of beer when he could've drank a teapot full with herbal tea and do some sports. Firstly, I had to evaluate some of the stuff I use because I tend to be a kind of person that gets addicted to even a herbal tea. >From that point of view, knowing a little about the ingredients gives me a more secure life. For example, if I will use spices or herbs, I will rather use those that are least harmfull.( some seem harmfull at a first glance but there are lots of factors that can be triggered with their consumption) > >> >Obviously with time body is coping easier with the whole thing. There is one important contradictory question left: if, with time, the body can cope easily with the virus, as you say it, Mike, what will happen when we get older, when, as studies say, the immune sistem becomes less effective? So the herpes does not in all cases, decreases with time in its ability to overcome body's defence mechanisms, right? > >> >Didn't got any colds (influenza virus) infections in eons. > >> >The fight with the virus probably helps for that one. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > However, a stronger body will have stronger, healthier cells, but, > again, HSV does not cause stronger bodies. Let's put it this way: when treating and preventing herpes through consumption of such and such foods, herbs, minerals, fish oils, spices, all of these things will contribute to increasing the body's ability to cope with disease in general, including colds. Without the need to treat a herpes symptom, there would be really no need for such strenghtening of our body, I reckon. Given such opportunity, as the herpes viral infection, why not offering our body the required nutrients to cope for any viral infections. Not to mention that the immune system per se, can be stimulated on a long term by the simple use of certain foods/herbs etc. > Mike > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >virus that causes YOU essentially no symptoms now that you have > >essentially complete control over outbreaks. The problem is, even without apparent symptoms, the virus can cause problems for our bodies. A simple muscle soreness, tiredness, breath shortages, head aches that seem unrelated to herpes can actually be a sign of a possible stopable herpes outbreak (if stopped on its way). The immune system will fight the virus taking a large ammount of energy out of our body even when succeeding to win over the virus. Not to mention there might be unknowns there, as well. Perl von Molson >> There is one important contradictory question left: > if, with time, the body can cope easily with the virus, as you say it, > Mike, > what will happen when we get older, when, as studies say, the immune > sistem > becomes less effective? Mixed results. Fewer allergic reactions to stuff like dust and pollen and food if you are so afflicted but muted or delayed response to bacterial or viral infections. That's why influenza can kill old people so readily. > So the herpes does not in all cases, decreases with time in its ability > to overcome body's defence mechanisms, right? An outbreak is not a classic antigen/antibody reaction. You've already got the virus in your DNA and probably lots of other viruses and junk DNA and crap. Why would a weakened immune system be a problem with the herp after you've got it? > Let's put it this way: when treating and preventing herpes > through consumption of such and such foods, herbs, minerals, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > offering our body the required nutrients to cope for any viral > infections. To say nothing of just increasing your own shelf life generally. > > >You did what you could do. Previous poster is probably right. > Focus [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The problem is, even without apparent symptoms, the virus can cause > problems for our bodies. Are you referring to possible Central Nervous System damage? > A simple muscle soreness, tiredness, breath shortages, head aches that > seem unrelated to herpes can actually be a sign of a possible stopable > herpes > outbreak (if stopped on its way). But you must know the difference between a headache that's a tension headache or a hangover headache and the headache that you get (maybe you don't get) before an outbreak. Your experience should tell you that. > The immune system will fight the virus taking a large ammount of energy > out > of our body even when succeeding to win over the virus. It's just one more parasite in a world of parasites that may include lawyers, bosses, politicians and ex-wives. The herp is a midget nuisance compared to the aforementioned for most people and as you have proven, YOUR body can handle it.....you just can't excise it. If you obsess about every minor malady and blame it on the herp, then it rules your mind indirectly and that's worse than what it can do to your body. > Not to mention there might be unknowns there, as well. Sure, but why sweat that? Life's too short man. Drew. > >> There is one important contradictory question left: > > if, with time, the body can cope easily with the virus, as you say [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bacterial or viral infections. That's why influenza can kill old > people so readily. It is pressumed that some alergies originate when children without developed immune system are exposed to certain chemicals, viruses etc. > > So the herpes does not in all cases, decreases with time in its > ability > > to overcome body's defence mechanisms, right? > > An outbreak is not a classic antigen/antibody reaction. Noone seems to know specifically what happens before an outbreak. You've already > got the virus in your DNA and probably lots of other viruses and junk > DNA and crap. Why would a weakened immune system be a problem with the > herp after you've got it? That one was my question, too, about this contradiction. > > Let's put it this way: when treating and preventing herpes > > through consumption of such and such foods, herbs, minerals, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > To say nothing of just increasing your own shelf life generally. > > > >You did what you could do. Previous poster is probably right. > > Focus [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Are you referring to possible Central Nervous System damage? Not only that. Each of the affected areas that are related to the virus can suffer from it. There are quite a few, as I've wrote below. > > A simple muscle soreness, tiredness, breath shortages, head aches > that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you don't get) before an outbreak. Your experience should tell you > that. Well, I don't know the differences. Maybe I should pay more attention to such things. > > The immune system will fight the virus taking a large ammount of > energy [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > obsess about every minor malady and blame it on the herp, then it rules > your mind indirectly and that's worse than what it can do to your body. True. However, it helps to learn more aboutit. > > Not to mention there might be unknowns there, as well. > > Sure, but why sweat that? Life's too short man. It's a long story. Everyone have their own story. I am glad you see it in a positive way. I try to do that as well. Perl von Molson > Drew. |
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