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Perl - Soy
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Grant - 28 Feb 2005 22:21 GMT Perl,
Here's a new book out about soy:
The Whole Soy Story by Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD, CCN
This book tells the truth about soy that scientists know, that you need to know, and that the soy industry has tried to suppress. For more than a decade, Americans have been fed a steady diet of positive soy news. Newspapers and magazine editors have run articles with headlines such as "The Joy of Soy" and "The Bean Supreme," uncritically published news releases from major soy companies, and unquestioningly accepted the recommendations of many "natural health care experts" who claim that soy foods might prevent disease and retard aging.
Lost in the hoopla has been the WHOLE SOY STORY:
*Not all types of soy foods are good for us
*Even good soy products must be eaten in appropriate quantities
*Dozens of respected scientists have issued warnings stating that the possible benefits eating soy should be weighed against proven risks.
In fact, hundreds of epidemiological, clinical and laboratory studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive distress, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders, cognitive, immune system breakdown, and even heart disease and cancer. Infants on soy formula, vegetarians who favor soy as their main source of protein and adults self-medicating with soy to prevent cancer, heart disease or relieve menopausal symptoms are especially at risk. The Whole Soy Story presents and interprets the often contradictory evidence on soy and disease to determine what studies are valid, which justify hope, which are mere hype - and why.
Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and best-selling books of 2005:
Perl Molson - 01 Mar 2005 08:22 GMT Ar, thanks for the article, I will look into this, even though, personally I am not a big fan of soy either. I just take some soy lecitin pills, ocasionally. If I was to choose between tofu, soy as such and other fruits/veggies, I wiil go for the later.
I know some people that take soy to seriously I should forward this email to them.
BTW, soy it is supossed to provide the body with a high protein diet. How did you say you replace that? Well, that would be a good thing to do it, as far as I know.
Mushrooms have high protein content, as well.
Perl von Molson
> Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and > best-selling books of 2005: Grant - 01 Mar 2005 17:32 GMT Hi Perl,
Our bodies do not need as much protein as we think it does. If you eat enough calories (as a raw foodist)and get enough variety, then you will have enough amino acids to build the protein that you need.
I have yet to have the need for additional protein. However, I do still eat cheese occasionally and I will have an egg or two every few months or so.
ar
>Ar, thanks for the article, >I will look into this, even though, personally I am not a big fan of [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >> Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and >> best-selling books of 2005: Perl Molson - 03 Mar 2005 05:27 GMT I am not sure about the right ammount of proteins the body needs. There are various versions of the issue.
On the other hand to add something else about how the raw food diet as not being the ideal diet, keep in mind the following particularities (and surely there are more maybe some even remained to be discovered)
Phaseolus vulgaris L. Fabaceae Bean, Common bean, Caraota, Feijao, French bean, Kidney bean, Haricot bean, Field bean, Poroto, Snap bean, String bean, Frijol, Wax bean
Toxicity The roots are reported to cause giddiness in human beings and animals. Seeds are reported to contain trypsin and chymotrypsin inhibitors. After eating only a few raw beans (Phaseolus vulgaris) or dried beans (P. coccineus), three boys, 4 to 8 years old rapidly developed symptoms of poisoning, notably sickness and diarrhea. Phasin, a toxalbumin destroyed by cooking, was considered responsible. All boys had normal aminotransferase values and parenteral treatment with fluid and electrolytes let to complete recovery in 12 to 24 hours (Haidvogl et al., 1979).
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Phaseolus_vulgaris.html
I imagine you don't eat raw beans :O) but eating raw peas or soy beans it's very common.
You can do a search for more info regarding: Natural toxic constituents in food, and effect (or absence of effect) of cooking such as in the following article: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1g.shtml
just some examples from the above site:
Here, we will only investigate a few examples, since the list of all natural toxic constituents would be extremely long [Ames 1983], besides which not all have been studied yet.
It will appear that heating does not destroy all of these constituents, and that some (but not all) of the toxins listed below are found in foods that are commonly eaten cooked, but that are inedible raw, except perhaps in small quantities (like potatoes). Thus a good argument in favor of eating raw is that you reduce your exposure to many natural toxins.
"Avoiding toxins" does not solve the nutritional cost/benefit trade-off. On the other hand, as we shall see in Part 3, there is a trade-off between toxicity and deficiencies, in that if one tries to avoid as many toxins as absolutely possible, they would have to avoid so many foods that deficiencies would likely ensue from the severe dietary restriction. Also, from the examples that will be presented below, trying to eliminate toxins completely is a hopeless task in any event (for raw as well as cooked-food eaters).
"Alien" proteins vs. cooked forms of proteins. Finally, we notice that with the Paleolithic diet, which is not an all-raw diet, foods that are not edible raw are avoided but for different reasons than toxicity per se. From the Paleolithic diet point of view, it is more important to avoid "alien" proteins that cause problems via molecular mimicry (i.e., autoimmune reactions) than to avoid cooked forms of proteins we are adapted to. In this view, it is more a consideration that foods requiring processing were ones that were introduced relatively late in human history, so that genetic adaptation to them is not yet complete, irrespective of any cooking/toxicity concerns, which are seen as more minor issues.
Considering the practicalities. Remark: We do not recommend worrying excessively about completely avoiding (all of) the foods listed below, first of all because the list is not exhaustive and toxins are quite widespread in nature. And secondly because our body has many detoxification mechanisms which are specifically designed to allow it to handle moderate, relatively normal amounts of toxins without deleterious consequences. Our goal, rather, is to show that one needn't be excessively concerned about potential harmful effects of the chemical constituents created by cooking, since all living animals are naturally exposed to quite a variety of toxins in the foods they eat anyway.
Beans
Raw kidney beans at a level as low as 1% of diet can cause death in rats in two weeks. Beans cooked at 100°C (212°F) for 30 minutes, and incorporated at a level as high as 20% of diet, do not retard growth when tested against casein. (Feeding rats with casein instead of beans doesn't affect their growth rate, and can therefore be used as a baseline for comparison.) However, when beans which have been cooked at the lesser temperature of 70°C (158°F) for 30 minutes are incorporated, growth retardation is almost as great as that which occurs when raw beans are fed. The small amount of lectin present in beans cooked at 70°C might be responsible for this effect [McPherson 1990]. However, cooking kidney beans doesn't destroy all antinutrients [Grant et al. 1982].
Fava beans. The well-known disease "favism" is caused by consumption of fava beans in genetically susceptible individuals. Such individuals carry a polymorphism of a gene (present in some regions where malaria is prevalent) that is thought to protect against malaria but also results in severe deficiency of glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) [Golenser 1983].
Soybeans. From Liener [1994], soybeans contain some heat-labile protease inhibitors and hemagglutinins. ("Heat-labile" means those susceptible to changes by heat; a hemagglutinin is something that causes red blood cells to clump together.) Soy also contains factors that are relatively heat-stable, though of lesser significance, such as:
* Goitrogens: substances that cause goiters, i.e., an enlargement of the thyroid gland. * Tannins: complex plant compounds that are often bitter or astringent. * Phytoestrogens: plant analogues of the hormone estrogen. * Flatus-producing oligosaccharides: carbohydrates of small molecular weight that cause flatulence (gas). * Phytates: which bind minerals preventing absorption. * Saponins. * Antivitamins.
Mycotoxins
>From Marth [1990], mycotoxins (toxins produced by molds) are completely destroyed at their melting point, which is generally at high temperatures: 164°C (327°F) for Zearalenone, 170°C (338°F) for Rubratoxia. When roasting peanuts, the toxicity of aflatoxin B1 is reduced by 70%, and that of aflatoxin B2 by 45%. Thus, heat treatment cannot be considered as a satisfactory means to eliminate mycotoxins.
Alfalfa Sprouts
Alfalfa sprouts contain approximately 1.5% canavanine, a substance which, when fed to monkeys, causes a severe lupus erythematosus-like syndrome. (In humans, lupus is an autoimmune disease.) Canavanine is an analog for the amino acid arginine, and takes its place when incorporated into proteins. However, alfalfa that is cooked by autoclaving (i.e., subjected to pressure-cooking) doesn't induce this effect [Malinow 1982, Malinow 1984].
Note here that the monkeys were fed semi-purified diets, with a canavanine content of 1-2%, versus a typical canavanine content of 1.5% (dry weight--that is, when completely dehydrated) for alfalfa sprouts [Malinow 1982]. Thus, although it would be very difficult for a human to eat enough fresh alfalfa sprouts to ingest even 1% canavanine, individuals should be aware of the potential risks, and consume (or not consume) alfalfa sprouts accordingly. (In particular, those rawists who juice sprouts should probably strictly limit or avoid the consumption of alfalfa sprout juice, due to the concentration effect that results from juicing.)
Further another article, about aflatoxin, this time:
With all due respect to your relative, this is a bogus argument against organic foods. True, there are carcinogenic fungi, but they don't develop on fruits and vegetables. One of the most troublesome fungal carcinogens found in foods is aflatoxin, produced by certain strains of the molds Aspergillus flavus and A. parasiticus that grow on peanuts stored in warm, humid silos. Peanuts aren't the only problem sources; aflatoxin has been found in pecans, pistachios and walnuts, as well as milk, grains, soybeans and spices. Aflatoxin is a potent carcinogen, known to cause liver cancer in laboratory animals and may contribute to the incidence of liver cancer in Africa where peanuts are a dietary staple. Aflatoxin occurs in both organic and conventionally grown foods.
I'm not telling you about aflatoxin to worry you, but to point out what foods are most likely to harbor carcinogens from fungi. (The United States government routinely tests crops for aflatoxin and doesn't permit them to be used here for human or animal food if they contain levels over 20 parts per billion.) Over the years, there have been a number of assaults on organic foods. In 2000, the ABC News program 20/20 carried a report in which experts stated that consumers should be more concerned about bacteria on advertisement organic produce than about pesticide residues on conventionally produced fruits and vegetables. However, the report conceded that bacteria can also be found on conventional produce and that both types of fruits and vegetables should be thoroughly washed before eating. Oncologists sometimes worry that the immune-suppressive effects of chemotherapy leave cancer patients more vulnerable to infections, including food-borne ones. Food-borne infections from produce are rare and are just as likely from conventional produce as organic.
Although we don't yet have many studies demonstrating the differences between organic and conventionally grown foods, proving that one is better than the other, there is evidence of pesticide residues in 71 to 90 percent of conventionally produced foods compared to 13 to 23 percent of organically grown foods. Pesticides are definitely not good for you.
To guard against bacteria (and remove pesticides), carefully wash and rinse berries, green beans, and other fruits and vegetables that you can't peel and remove the outer leaves of leafy vegetables. Unfortunately, water alone won't do the trick - use a drop or two of dish detergent in a small tub of water and rinse thoroughly after washing. You should also check the lists of the most and least contaminated crops provided by the Environmental Working Group (www.foodnews.org/walletguide.php).
Andrew Weil, M.D. http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA/
Licopine, an important component of tomatoes, only through heat can become active.
> Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > >> Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and > >> best-selling books of 2005: Grant - 03 Mar 2005 15:13 GMT Hi Perl,
Most raw fooders do not eat raw beans or soy.
ar
>I am not sure about the right ammount of proteins the body needs. >There are various versions of the issue. [quoted text clipped - 302 lines] >> >> Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and >> >> best-selling books of 2005: Perl Molson - 05 Mar 2005 07:15 GMT > Hi Perl, > > Most raw fooders do not eat raw beans or soy. > > ar So, what raw fooders do eat? Fruits are high in sugar = fat
How do they deal with that? On top of that, it may be that the fruits get digested too fast and the metabolism can become affected in a negative way on a long term.
Any comments on these ones?
Perl von Molson
> >I am not sure about the right ammount of proteins the body needs. > >There are various versions of the issue. [quoted text clipped - 302 lines] > >> >> Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and > >> >> best-selling books of 2005: Grant - 05 Mar 2005 12:51 GMT Some people do gain weight eating too much fruit. But most people lose weight. The sugar from the fruit isn't handled the same way by the body as processed sugar is.
We eat lots of greens, fruit, nuts and seeds.
ar
>> Hi Perl, >> [quoted text clipped - 397 lines] >> >> >> Get a copy now of what will be one of most controversial and >> >> >> best-selling books of 2005:
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